Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[dogthateats]

Not sure how accurate this is

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I was always under the impression that Geno wanted to finish his career in Russia. He may have abandoned that plan, given the current situation. I know I wouldn't be feeling very nationalistic right now.

So I could see that being the reason he's aligning his term with Tanger's.

Hex was pushing for Letang at 3 years and Letang wanted 5. So I think what Lebrun is saying is Tanger's accepting meeting in the middle to keep the AAV down.

2yrs still wouldn't make any sense given his age. It would leave him a UFA with 1yr of Sid's contract in Pittsburgh, I got the impression all 3 wanted to play together for Sid's contract duration, at the least. So 3yrs would make sense, 5 I also get for security for Letang, but 2? 2 is just odd to me.

Also for Malkin, I don't think he wanted to go back to Russia at all, he's someone that goes back and trains there and visits his family, but you never really see him playing with the local teams for fun or anything of that sort, he vacations in Florida, goes back to Russia for a bit, then back to Pittsburgh. I think when he retires, he'd just move to wherever the best tax breaks are. I think what's forgotten is that his little one plays hockey and for him to go back to Russia for the lad wouldn't make sense when he's in the US and has more Hockey Schools for him to keep developing.

 

[jmelm]

I would guess that would be something like that 5th overall, Allison, and probably the final year of JVR.

Umm, no. CHI is going to want more than 1 pick for DeBrincat. And PHI doesn't also get to include a $7.5M cap dump for nothing.

Not sure how accurate this is

100%

 

[Randy Butternubs]

In giving both Malkin and Letang 4 year deals I think cap hits of $6.0M and $7.2M, respectively, is fair.

After those deals they'd have made $143M and $101M from the Pens. Again, respectively.

Crosby after this deal will be at $147M. Assume a 1-year deal at $5M and that bumps it to $152M.

No, those careers earnings from the contracts do not account for taxes, fees, etc.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

2yrs still wouldn't make any sense given his age. It would leave him a UFA with 1yr of Sid's contract in Pittsburgh, I got the impression all 3 wanted to play together for Sid's contract duration, at the least. So 3yrs would make sense, 5 I also get for security for Letang, but 2? 2 is just odd to me.

Also for Malkin, I don't think he wanted to go back to Russia at all, he's someone that goes back and trains there and visits his family, but you never really see him playing with the local teams for fun or anything of that sort, he vacations in Florida, goes back to Russia for a bit, then back to Pittsburgh. I think when he retires, he'd just move to wherever the best tax breaks are. I think what's forgotten is that his little one plays hockey and for him to go back to Russia for the lad wouldn't make sense when he's in the US and has more Hockey Schools for him to keep developing.

I think the 2 years and the initial 5 mil offers were just low balling bargaining tactics, to keep things reasonable.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Not sure how accurate this is

f***ing bullshit.

I was told we were taking LEMMY. All the insiders promised me!

do something cheesier like
8.7
7.1
6.6
5.8

6.9
6.9
6.9
6.9

NYCE.

 

[dogthateats]

f***ing bullshit.

I was told we were taking LEMMY. All the insiders promised me!

You either die a Lemmy or live long enough to become a Lenny
- Confucius

 

[HandshakeLine]

You either die a Lemmy or live long enough to become a Lenny
- Confucius

Oh man. Oh Maaaaaaan.

I've got a real hard decision to make then.

 

[Pens x]

Lol 2 year offers to Letang and Geno?

What a clown, my god.

Reason #109 for FSG to end the Hextall experiment.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Zucker - Crosby - Guentzel
Rakell [4.375m] - Malkin [6m] - Rust
O'Connor - Blueger - Carter
Zohorna - Bozak [1m] - McGinn
$875k-player

Dumoulin - Letang [7.2m]
Matheson - Marino
Pettersson - Ruhwedel
Joseph [875k] - Friedman

Jarry - DeSmith [1.625m]

The above leaves about $1.2M in cap space.

I don't like it -- not enough change in the roster. But it sure seems doable.

 

[Peat]

I agree, but you only have so much money to spend in UFA, and upgrading on a guy who was very good in his role last year doesn't seem like the best use of money.

POJ-Ruhwedel is fine going into next year. If you need to upgrade on it, that's a trade deadline move, not an off-season move IMO.

Yes and no. You can do it that way, but making the deadline move will be expensive, and I'd rather make it in the off-season. Short the bottom six wingers if you have to. I'd probably make the move on the left side of defence and trade POJ, but if it turns out to be easier to reinforce the right, then so be it.

 

[Jobeycool]

Why?

We have Matheson, would need to pay up for Klingberg and honestly Klingberg isnt even Dallas best Dman-you would be disappointed.

Let just keep signging similar style Dman and keep our backend soft

We would be a stud defense but depends if you think that is good for your team or not...

 

[Rudy Russo]

Zucker - Crosby - Guentzel
Rakell [4.375m] - Malkin [6m] - Rust
O'Connor - Blueger - Carter
Zohorna - Bozak [1m] - McGinn
$875k-player

Dumoulin - Letang [7.2m]
Matheson - Marino
Pettersson - Ruhwedel
Joseph [875k] - Friedman

Jarry - DeSmith [1.625m]

The above leaves about $1.2M in cap space.

I don't like it -- not enough change in the roster. But it sure seems doable.

I really hope the pens can re-sign Rakell.

 

[reino]

Crosby was never going end his career after this contract. He will no doubt play way on his 40s if healthy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Re-sign Malkin, give him 4 years to keep the cap hit down

 

[Ryder71]

Looks as though Letang is gonna come back. I love Geno, however I think it's best we move on and look for a younger alternative. The same formula hasn't worked, so why continue along those lines? Besides he misses far too many games. And do we want each top nine center we have be over 35 years old? That's crazy IMO, we need to get Deeper and go younger (that's what she said).

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Kadri is a 56 point per 82 game guy for his career. Considering how everyone gets hurt here and the wingers he'd have, we'd be fortunate to squeeze out 50 points from him.
He's valuable, but 8-10 mil long term is just nuts. He's 32 in October.

So what's the Trocheck cost gonna be?

I also wonder how much something like Marchment + Domi would cost, and if we'd be better off going that route.
Sacrifice center depth for collective forward depth.
That would get us closer to the 14F's required for the opener, which means we wouldn't have to spend <1mil on a 4th liner.
They're both 27.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Jake-Sid-Rust
Zucker/Heinen-Geno-Kap
Zucker/Heinen-Carter-E-Rod
DOC or Zoho-Blueger-McGinn
Simon ( )

Dumo-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Petts-Friedman/Ruhwedel

Jarry
Backup making <$2 million

Too lazy to math it all out, just kinda went on the lowest expectation re: changes. Geno back at $7.5 million x 3, Letang back at $8.25 million x 4, E-Rod back at $2.25 million x 2. Break out the Zzzquil.

Also, not that I disagree with the idea that Kadri's gonna be asking for the moon, but I think Kypreos has been teetering on the edge of being a complete hack for years. Dude's just inside the door of the insider club, maybe even has one foot outside.

 

[Ryder71]

I really hope the pens can re-sign Rakell.

Agreed, I think he's a solid wing, if the price is right I'd love to have him back.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Huh?

Dumba is worth two 1st rounders.

So if we add Kapanen to the package, it would be Dumba for Kapaenen + two 1st rounders.

You seem the bloke that EA NHL CPU Gms rip off in deals.

 

[Andy99]

Looks as though Letang is gonna come back. I love Geno, however I think it's best we move on and look for a younger alternative. The same formula hasn't worked, so why continue along those lines? Besides he misses far too many games. And do we want each top nine center we have be over 35 years old? That's crazy IMO, we need to get Deeper and go younger (that's what she said).

ok who are we getting? Kadri is priced out of our range. Trocheck’s price is rising every day for those teams that miss out on Kadri, not to mention he’s worse than Geno and will be for a couple more years. Do we have the pieces to trade for a player like Miller? We don’t want to be giving up our first round picks anymore So doubtful…The answer is we need time to draft and develop younger players, that or get a top three pick lol….unfortunately our best option is to return Geno whether you like that or not. If you want to reduce the age of our centers, let’s get rid of a worse player than Geno before his NMC kicks in on July 13. Carter was the ridiculous re-signing, not Malkin…

 

[Ryder71]

Lol 2 year offers to Letang and Geno?

What a clown, my god.

Reason #109 for FSG to end the Hextall experiment.

I disagree, these guys are ancient, and the formula (for several reasons) hasn't worked for five years now. Why continue down a path that'll just lead to further disappointment? I think Letang is brought back, but I wouldn't bring Geno back. We need to turn duh page, like.

 

[dogthateats]

Jake-Sid-Rust
Zucker/Heinen-Geno-Kap
Zucker/Heinen-Carter-E-Rod
DOC or Zoho-Blueger-McGinn
Simon ( )

Dumo-Letang
Matheson-Marino
Petts-Friedman/Ruhwedel

Jarry
Backup making <$2 million

Too lazy to math it all out, just kinda went on the lowest expectation re: changes. Geno back at $7.5 million x 3, Letang back at $8.25 million x 4, E-Rod back at $2.25 million x 2. Break out the Zzzquil.

Also, not that I disagree with the idea that Kadri's gonna be asking for the moon, but I think Kypreos has been teetering on the edge of being a complete hack for years. Dude's just inside the door of the insider club, maybe even has one foot outside.

This lineup + losing to the Devils 1st rd bc Subban slew foots Crosby onto Jarry’s knee

 

[Ryder71]

ok who are we getting? Kadri is priced out of our range. Trocheck’s price is rising every day for those teams that miss out on Kadri, not to mention he’s worse than Geno and will be for a couple more years. Do we have the pieces to trade for a player like Miller? We don’t want to be giving up our first round picks anymore So doubtful…The answer is we need time to draft and develop younger players, that or get a top three pick lol….unfortunately our best option is to return Geno whether you like that or not. If you want to reduce the age of our centers, let’s get rid of a worse player than Geno before his NMC kicks in on July 13. Carter was the ridiculous re-signing, not Malkin…

I'd rather have Trocheck, he's younger, doesn't miss as many games and should be at a good level for a while. Geno on the other hand is old, misses a ton of games and really doesn't fit with how Sully wants to play. Wanna see VT be a PENGUIN. And if not no biggie, likely going nowhere anyhow. Just keep them draft picks moving forward.

 

[Ryder71]

Can you really count on a Geno to play the majority of the games? I wouldn't, beyond his age he misses far too much whereby he can't be relied upon. That's two big strikes against him.