Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Empoleon8771]

people love to say hometown discount but the reality is we have no idea if he wants to play here over playing some place that would offer him more money or term…I think he’d take $5.5M it sounds like but on a 7 year contract…I think he’s getting 7 years on the market and maybe as high as 7x$6M…Hex sounds like he’s being stringent on term, as he should be…I don’t want to sign someone for that long unless he’s an elite talent….Trocheck isn’t worth that term…for that reason I don’t see him signing here

The money difference between what I'd imagine the Penguins would offer and what other teams would offer likely won't be that much. I don't think he'd pick another team over $500k more a year or 1 extra year.

Allegedly the Sharks offered Tavares a contract that had around a $13 million AAV, but he took about $11.5 million to play in Toronto. That as a percentage is what I'd expect Trocheck to be willing to sign for here, so he'd take roughly $500k to $750k a year less to play in Pittsburgh.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

1) No one puts Baby in a corner.

2) No one puts DOC on a 4th line.

Yeah, I took some artistic liberty with the lineup. DOC probably doesn't even get on the 4th line.

 

[Peat]

Here we'd have guys go down like always, and he'd get his share of prime minutes.
It's not like Malkin's good defensively or at controlling his emotions either.

I'm proposing it because he can play Center, and will come at a reasonable cap hit.
And like I said, he wouldn't be meant to replace Malkin by himself. If you get him in tandem with a high value winger like Marchment, you may have a 2nd line of Marchment-Domi-Rakell. Those are 2 really solid defensive wingers who would help him. I'd feel good about our top 6 come October.

That's an argument against Malkin, not an argument for Domi, and Malkin compensates for it by having game breaking ability, even if it's less than it was. Domi's not a bad player with the puck on his stick, but he's far more mortal.

I'd also point out that Domi's only ever really had one great season at C (at least judging by his stats) and that was driven by shooting numbers he's never touched since. The case for him being better than "it's him or ERod" seems pretty slim.

 

[jmelm]

Yeah, I took some artistic liberty with the lineup. DOC probably doesn't even get on the 4th line.

Blasphemy!! Unforgivable blasphemy!!

This lineup + losing to the Devils 1st rd bc Subban slew foots Crosby onto Jarry’s knee

You know that Subban is a UFA, right? Won’t be with the Devils next year.

 

[dogthateats]

You know that Subban is a UFA, right? Won’t be with the Devils next year.

I think this scenario is just as realistic if Subban is a Penguin

 

[jmelm]

I think this scenario is just as realistic if Subban is a Penguin

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Yeah, I took some artistic liberty with the lineup. DOC probably doesn't even get on the 4th line.

You son of a bitch! How dare you!

 

[jmelm]

You son of a bitch! How dare you!

At least I’m not the only one who sees the light!

#docforcalder
#docforhart
#docforpresident
#docfornobelpeaceprize

 

[AuroraBorealis]

That's an argument against Malkin, not an argument for Domi, and Malkin compensates for it by having game breaking ability, even if it's less than it was. Domi's not a bad player with the puck on his stick, but he's far more mortal.

I'd also point out that Domi's only ever really had one great season at C (at least judging by his stats) and that was driven by shooting numbers he's never touched since. The case for him being better than "it's him or ERod" seems pretty slim.

I'm considering options if Geno's gone and Trocheck doesn't choose us.
There has to be a plan C, and it doesn't look like it's gonna be Kadri.

Not seeing other UFA 2C options who will have reasonable AAV. It would have to be through trade, and that'll cost us things Hex hasn't been keen on spending to this point. Trading our 1sts seems off the table.

Plus I'm suggesting a 1 out > 2 in scenario, using our ~8 mil.
This is not a Domi vs Malkin discussion. This is a Domi + new winger vs Malkin discussion. Like how much will Marchment cost, after one great year?
He's not established and the AAV may be palatable.

I could see Domi scoring 35-45 points here. What are we gonna get from Malkin next year? 60 in 65 games? 55 in 60 games? Think those are reasonable projections for him at 36 years old.
That disparity can be filled in through a winger acquisition, and we'd get younger, faster and deeper as a bonus.
In Marchment's case he'll make his line harder to score against for sure.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

DOC for Carter Hart? Sure, sign me up.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Honestly I think the fact that the Oilers are aggressively shopping him, despite the fact that he seems to be a perfect fit for what you'd want out of a defensive puck retriever for McDavid, should raise some red flags with him.

I seriously question the idea of acquiring Puljujarvi to put next to Malkin if Edmonton is moving on from putting Puljujarvi with McDavid.

 

[Hottubber]

Kap for Pulijujarvi seems like a deal that could work

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Honestly I think the fact that the Oilers are aggressively shopping him, despite the fact that he seems to be a perfect fit for what you'd want out of a defensive puck retriever for McDavid, should raise some red flags with him.

Holland's trying to force it and make room for Kane. For Puljujarvi it's more him being a cap casualty than anything else.

Kap for Pulijujarvi seems like a deal that could work

They can't take cap back. They want to off-load him.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

1) No one puts Baby in a corner.

2) No one puts DOC on a 4th line.

Except Mike Sullivan, repeatedly.

Kap for Pulijujarvi seems like a deal that could work

It’s gonna be sad to see Kapanen explode in Edmonton being used correctly while we see Pooljuiceparty healthy scratched because he can’t be Zachary Aston-Reese with whatever 40yr old we sign to be the 4c.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Kapanen sucks shit. But Puljujarvi also sucks shit. I don't think the swap does much of anything except trade one f***ing idiot player for another f***ing idiot player.

None of this crap matters, imo. Ruhwedel, Kap/Puljujarvi, DOC in the roster or not. None of it makes a difference if/when this team continues along with essentially the same roster that lives and dies by Jake-Sid-Rust and Jarry's health/play.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Holland's trying to force it and make room for Kane. For Puljujarvi it's more him being a cap casualty than anything else.


They can't take cap back. They want to off-load him.

Pooljuiceparty’s QO would be like 1.4m too, so they’re really trying to get as much cap back as possible.

If only Holland didn’t trade for garbage like Duncan Keith, lol.

If the Pens are interested, I’d probably try to do something like Kassian + Pooljuiceparty for Kapanen. Kapanen isn’t someone they need to sign either, but they could as he plays a speed game and can PK which Sullivan refused to do, but Toronto did and he was good at it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

PK would start Slewfooting Crosby in practices.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Pooljuiceparty’s QO would be like 1.4m too, so they’re really trying to get as much cap back as possible.

If only Holland didn’t trade for garbage like Duncan Keith, lol.

Yep. That's an oofer. The Nurse contract is horrid. The 4.166 mil dead cap is a killer too.

They got 7.130 mil in space plus Klefbom 4.167 mil LTIR.
They need 6 Forwards, 1 D-man and a backup.

Think Barrie's gone next.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yep. That's an oofer. The Nurse contract is horrid. The 4.166 mil dead cap is a killer too.

They got 7.130 mil in space plus Klingberg's 4.167 mil LTIR.
They need 6 Forwards, 1 D-man and a backup.

Think Barrie's gone next.

I think you mean Klefbom (unless I missed a deal), but yeah, Holland could have played it smart with the cap and instead, dug a deeper hole and then found a productive player that happens to be an absolute shit human being that he now desperately needs for his roster’s depth.

Lol, Oilers.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Holland could have played it smart with the cap and instead, dug a deeper hole and then found a productive player that happens to be an absolute shit human being that he now desperately needs for his roster’s depth.

Lol, Oilers.

Yeah well that shitty human being got him to the 3rd round with his 13 goals in 15 games in the playoffs. Clearly didn't hurt the room.
Makes sense that he'd turn things over trying to keep him.

What a dire cap situation though. If Kane is somehow coming back then their blue line is gonna be absolutely pitiful.
Nurse, Keith, Ceci, Bouchard, Broberg and a few league minimum UFA's/farm guys.

 

[jmelm]

It’s gonna be sad to see Kapanen explode in Edmonton being used correctly while we see Pooljuiceparty healthy scratched because he can’t be Zachary Aston-Reese with whatever 40yr old we sign to be the 4c.

Kapanen will explode with like 8 goals in the first 10 games and then a few weeks later explode again right into the press box, and then rotate back & forth between there and the 4th line.

 

[dogthateats]

Get rid of the shitty players and bring some different shitty players in bc i am getting bored of the current crop of shitty players who suck

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The money difference between what I'd imagine the Penguins would offer and what other teams would offer likely won't be that much. I don't think he'd pick another team over $500k more a year or 1 extra year.

Allegedly the Sharks offered Tavares a contract that had around a $13 million AAV, but he took about $11.5 million to play in Toronto. That as a percentage is what I'd expect Trocheck to be willing to sign for here, so he'd take roughly $500k to $750k a year less to play in Pittsburgh.

Also I think Malkin enjoys not having to deal with the media as much as Crosby and others do, he likes to come in and work and enjoy the game. He gets to do that in Pittsburgh where he’s called his second home and where he wants to retire. I think that discount would be substantial given what he could get on the market. I just think the Pens brass is prioritizing Letang and leaving him hanging and that part is something I am sort of seeing as subtext in all Pens reported news about the two - You hear about offers of 2, 3, 5yrs for Letang, but nill for Malkin outside of Friedman-Rossi shit.

I mean sure he could go to a team and be their 2nd C and take a bigger discount at a shot at the Cup, hell if the Avs let Kadri walk and create cap, he could go there and be the 2nd C behind Mack.

 

[jmelm]

Get rid of the shitty players and bring some different shitty players in bc i am getting bored of the current crop of shitty players who suck

Very well said, sir.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

We would be a stud defense but depends if you think that is good for your team or not...

Adding Klingberg would not make us a "Stud" defense.

He is not very good defensively and as I said more of the same as a Letang/Math cloth but would be a disappointment as he's going to get paid and I dont think the production will live up to the contract.

We would be much better off getting a defensive "stud" with some sandpaper to his game

Can you really count on a Geno to play the majority of the games? I wouldn't, beyond his age he misses far too much whereby he can't be relied upon. That's two big strikes against him.

Except that Trochek is an extremely big dropoff in skill and production from Geno even at Geno's age