Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[KrisLetAngry]

Wheeler is an instant no for me, not because he's not a good player but because he sounds like a straight up lockeroom cancer from everything that has come out of Winnipeg.

I just figure that if anyone can keep him not a cancer is him moving to a team with no letter with Crosby Letang and Malkin being the leadership.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

I agree but to be fair, Granlund was a +1 at 5v5 and had solid analytics in the role. He failed at the scoring part but he actually did fine at the not getting scored on part.

He had only a 1.98 GA/60 at 5v5, the ugly part was that he only had a 2.23 GF/60 at 5v5.

I have no problem with Granlund in general aside from us having no role for him on our roster, and with our coach passively aggressively playing him at center and on the PK to stick it to GMRH. We could pay Blueger a lot less to not score or get scored against much. We're wasting Granlund's best skill of playmaking with our roster and deployments, and I can't see that changing under Sullivan.

I would hope Dubas would sit down with Sullivan and ask him just how he intends to use Granlund, and if the answer is just "someone has to PK" I'd commence to trading him.

With the terrible FA class this year, if you made Granlund available for essentially free some team would essentially get him as a 2 year FA who is a perfectly competent playmaking top 6 winger and power play contributor.

 

[Empoleon8771]

What happened to OEL? Can he not skate anymore?

His defensive game has completely fallen apart and he's not good enough offensively to make up for it.

He was solid for the Canucks in 2021-2022, but he was still crazily overpaid for what he brought. When he's bad? Worst contract in the league.

 

[Sideline]

His defensive game has completely fallen apart and he's not good enough offensively to make up for it.

He was solid for the Canucks in 2021-2022, but he was still crazily overpaid for what he brought. When he's bad? Worst contract in the league.

That's odd for a guy to just forget how to play. If there are injuries or age slowing a guy down I get it. But OEL was really productive for years.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I can see OEL signing league minimum for any team that needs a bottom pairing defensemen that are cup favorites.

Tampa
Vegas (even if #7)
Avalanche? They made JJ serviceable.

None of these players move me. I hope everyone is wrong.

This UFA class is pretty limited.

It's going to take trades to work on making us better and signing the best that is left.

Very few players I like at the expected cap hits. I think 2023 is going to be a ufa class with a lot of bad contracts handed out.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'd be down for a Bunting, Granlund, Killorn 3rd line.

 

[Peat]

Iirc OEL had strong puck retrieval numbers last year. He wouldn't be the first dman to look a lot better in a lesser role.

Edit - that's not me advocating for him tho.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd be down for a Bunting, Granlund, Killorn 3rd line.

That can be yours for the low price of $16 million AAV

 

[Ugene Magic]

That can be yours for the low price of $16 million AAV

But it's fixed.

 

[mephisto1812]

This team absolutely could have made the playoffs this year if they didn't keep forcing Jeff Carter as 3C for well past the point of no return.

It was honestly the worst possible way this season could have turned out. We should have either steered into the skid or just... adjusted and won ONE more game.

Pens and Steelers both.... worst case scenario.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Whats Killorn even asking for?

I imagine he goes to highest bidder.

I was thinking Bunting would be at 4.5 for 6 years but maybe more with this free agency class. Is K really going for 6 mill?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Is OEL the one that made Rust shit his britches?

 

[Gurglesons]

Iirc OEL had strong puck retrieval numbers last year. He wouldn't be the first dman to look a lot better in a lesser role.

Edit - that's not me advocating for him tho.

If we are aren't getting a trade target LD, OEL at 1 year 3.5 mil isn't the worst idea.

Is OEL the one that made Rust shit his britches?

yes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If we are aren't getting a trade target LD, OEL at 1 year 3.5 mil isn't the worst idea.

This is giving me Jack Johnson 2.0 vibes

Honestly the more interesting aspect regarding the OEL buyout is whether the Canucks still want to move Garland after buying OEL out. OEL's buyout hurts in the future, but it gets effectively his entire cap hit off the books for this year. I could still see them moving Garland because he hasn't meshed with the coaching staff in Vancouver, but they don't have to move him due to the cap anymore. I imagine that would likely increase the cost to acquire him.

 

[Gurglesons]

This is giving me Jack Johnson 2.0 vibes

And taking a 1 year 1.25 mil flier on Jack Johnson would've been fine.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Whats Killorn even asking for?

I imagine he goes to highest bidder.

I was thinking Bunting would be at 4.5 for 6 years but maybe more with this free agency class. Is K really going for 6 mill?

I'd say Killorn would go for 5.0/5.5 x 4 if he feels he has a chance to win.
I could see Bunting going 4.5/5.0 x 4/6.

That's 15.5 and not really a huge deal to have a solid 3rd line.

Considering Carter comes off the books after this season it's only one season they have to redux a hole or two. They simply won't fill them all.

That's figuring in Jarry and making a trade to clean up a bit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

And taking a 1 year 1.25 mil flier on Jack Johnson would've been fine.

But you'll probably have teams offering stupid contracts to OEL and someone will get him for like 4 years at $3.5 million. That's exactly what happened with Suter after he was bought out.

The "he'd be decent on a short term contract" that turns into "we gave him a long term deal that will have to be bought out in 3 years" seems to be exactly how the scenario would go if the Penguins signed OEL.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

OEL sounds like the perfect guy to end up with the Panthers next year.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

At least they get almost total relief this year.

 

[Peat]

I'd say Killorn would go for 5.0/5.5 x 4 if he feels he has a chance to win.
I could see Bunting going 4.5/5.0 x 4/6.

That's 15.5 and not really a huge deal to have a solid 3rd line.

Considering Carter comes off the books after this season it's only one season they have to redux a hole or two. They simply won't fill them all.

That's figuring in Jarry and making a trade to clean up a bit.

We have 20m to spend, are short a top 6 W, top 4 D, and a starting G.

If spending 10m of that on L3 is not really a huge deal, Dina's will have had one hell of a summer.

 

[Empoleon8771]

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At least they get almost total relief this year.

Yeah this is exactly why I think this would increase Garland's value. Vancouver isn't in a position where they have to trade Garland anymore, they can hold onto him if they don't get the value they like.

It sucks Garland isn't a LWer, I'd be totally on board with doing POJ for Garland if he was.

 

[Gurglesons]

But you'll probably have teams offering stupid contracts to OEL and someone will get him for like 4 years at $3.5 million. That's exactly what happened with Suter after he was bought out.

The "he'd be decent on a short term contract" that turns into "we gave him a long term deal that will have to be bought out in 3 years" seems to be exactly how the scenario would go if the Penguins signed OEL.

Then don't sign him.

Also, weren't you like guns up for signing Suter over Matheson?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Yeah this is exactly why I think this would increase Garland's value. Vancouver isn't in a position where they have to trade Garland anymore, they can hold onto him if they don't get the value they like.

It sucks Garland isn't a LWer, I'd be totally on board with doing POJ for Garland if he was.

Yeah, perhaps not anymore. We waited too long, just like everyone else.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Then don't sign him.

Also, weren't you like guns up for signing Suter over Matheson?

I meant that as in we would attempt to talk ourselves into it on here by saying "he's fine on a short term deal" or something like that, only for him to get an awful long-term deal if he'd actually sign.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, perhaps not anymore. We waited too long, just like everyone else.

Canucks are still over the cap with the buy out I think.