Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean... they need to step up their coaching involvement and take the kid gloves off in regards to the powerplay first and foremost. Then have another look.

But yeah... there is a personnel issue, too. And I don't think the solution is anywhere on the current roster. Rust, Jake, Raks and even Letang are not ideal there IMO.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Regarding Korpisalo, why does no one mention how awful he has been over his career? That article said that Korpisalo could be a "steal" if he signed a 3 year deal under $4 million a year, and I just look at his career stats and see 4 seasons with a save% under .900 and a career .904 save%.

I loathe the idea of bringing in Korpisalo, I know he's going to get a pricey extension and then go back to the crap goalie he was before last year.

 

[Peat]

Over the last 3 years Rust has a higher shooting percentage on the PP than Guentzel and scores at only 0.05 less per 60 (he takes less shots).

Not much lower for assists either, and higher for primary too. PP1 has been marginally more productive with Rust on it than not.

Putting Rust back on PP1 and removing Jake would work in my book. Doesn't solve all the issues, but you'd see a little bump because you have more puck pursuit. Would also give PP2 a legit playmaker.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah I don't know why anyone fantasizes about the return in a Jake trade when it's always some garbage return. Look at similar trades in the past. Look at what Erik Karlsson brought back.


Rust was knocked off the top pp just this year? That's Rakell's spot to lose now.

There is actually a spot open on pp1 because I don't think Sully would hesitate to take Rakell off if we brought in someone else he thought might work there. The other four are set in stone though.

I think Rust was begrudgingly removed because he was, uhhh, not great this season. I expect (hope) he bounces back and snags that spot.

Shit, the one single thing Carter's got left is his shot. If the team's got to be saddled with him for another season, they may as well give him extremely sheltered 4th line minutes at ES and hope he can act as a PP specialist/triggerman guy. Lofty dreams, probably.

Just bracing myself for the inevitable roster that's got Granlund and Carter on the 3rd line come October.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Regarding Korpisalo, why does no one mention how awful he has been over his career? That article said that Korpisalo could be a "steal" if he signed a 3 year deal under $4 million a year, and I just look at his career stats and see 4 seasons with a save% under .900 and a career .904 save%.

I loathe the idea of bringing in Korpisalo, I know he's going to get a pricey extension and then go back to the crap goalie he was before last year.

Probably something about goals saved above expected per sixty high danger.

 

[Gurglesons]

Regarding Korpisalo, why does no one mention how awful he has been over his career? That article said that Korpisalo could be a "steal" if he signed a 3 year deal under $4 million a year, and I just look at his career stats and see 4 seasons with a save% under .900 and a career .904 save%.

I loathe the idea of bringing in Korpisalo, I know he's going to get a pricey extension and then go back to the crap goalie he was before last year.

Because most people look at context.

Korpisalo has been injured and also playing in one of the worst environments.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because most people look at context.

Korpisalo has been injured and also playing in one of the worst environments.

What context is needed when Korpisalo has a .897 save% in 151 games between 2016-2017 and 2021-2022?

 

[Gurglesons]

What context is needed when Korpisalo has a .897 save% in 151 games between 2016-2017 and 2021-2022?

 

[Empoleon8771]

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Bobrovsky won the Vezina with a .931 save% for the Jackets in 2016-2017.

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, Bobrovsky played in 190 games and had a .922 save%. Over that same window, Korpisalo had an .899 save% in 59 games.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Over the last 3 years Rust has a higher shooting percentage on the PP than Guentzel and scores at only 0.05 less per 60 (he takes less shots).

Not much lower for assists either, and higher for primary too. PP1 has been marginally more productive with Rust on it than not.

Putting Rust back on PP1 and removing Jake would work in my book. Doesn't solve all the issues, but you'd see a little bump because you have more puck pursuit. Would also give PP2 a legit playmaker.

As much as I complain about Rust I could see him bouncing back next season. Though I resent some of the whitewashing his past miserable season has gotten from some fans a little bit. It was bad.

But I DO kinda loathe Jake on the powerplay. So Rust's handedness along with a more involved coaching staff would be a possible upgrade. But man... it would be nice if Rust were actually Phil Jr. out there like he seems to think he is these days.

 

[Gurglesons]

Bobrovsky won the Vezina with a .931 save% for the Jackets in 2016-2017.

And Bob makes 10 million dollars while Korpisalo can provide great performances and could be had under 4 mil making him a potential steal?

 

[Empoleon8771]

And Bob makes 10 million dollars while Korpisalo can provide great performances and could be had under 4 mil making him a potential steal?

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, Bobrovsky played in 190 games and had a .922 save%. Over that same window, Korpisalo had an .899 save% in 59 games.

He's a crap goalie on his career that has had 3 good seasons out of 8. He has been outperformed by his goalie partner in every single season outside of last year.

 

[Gurglesons]

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, Bobrovsky played in 190 games and had a .922 save%. Over that same window, Korpisalo had an .899 save% in 59 games.

He's a crap goalie on his career that has had 3 good seasons out of 8. He has been outperformed by his goalie partner in every single season outside of last year.

He’s a good goalie.

 

[Pancakes]

Over the last 3 years Rust has a higher shooting percentage on the PP than Guentzel and scores at only 0.05 less per 60 (he takes less shots).

Not much lower for assists either, and higher for primary too. PP1 has been marginally more productive with Rust on it than not.

Putting Rust back on PP1 and removing Jake would work in my book. Doesn't solve all the issues, but you'd see a little bump because you have more puck pursuit. Would also give PP2 a legit playmaker.

Rust is almost as bad a floater as Guentzel.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He’s a good goalie.

2022-2023: Korpisalo had a .911 save% in 28 games (with Columbus), Merzlikins had an .876 save% in 30 games
2021-2022: Korpisalo had an .877 save% in 22 games, Merzlikins had a .907 save% in 59 games
2020-2021: Korpisalo had an .894 save% in 33 games, Merzlikins had a .916 save% in 28 games
2019-2020: Korpisalo had a .911 save% in 37 games, Merzlikins had a .923 save% in 33 games
2018-2019: Korpisalo had an .897 save% in 27 games, Bobrovsky had a .913 save% in 62 games
2017-2018: Korpisalo had an .897 save% in 18 games, Bobrovsky had a .921 save% in 65 games
2016-2017: Korpisalo had a .905 save% in 14 games, Bobrovsky had a .931 save% in 63 games

Nothing here says "Korpisalo is a good goalie" or that his numbers only stink due to playing on Columbus. He consistently puts up bad numbers and consistently gets outperformed by the other goalie on his team.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'd sign Korpisalo as part of a 1A/1B tandem.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'd sign Korpisalo as part of a 1A/1B tandem.

Hypothetical

Korpi/Jarry for ~8-9M and no assets spent
versus
Helle alone for ~8-9M and likely your first rounder plus possibly more going bye-byes

Hmmm. Something to be said for either approach, I guess.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I know it's fantasyland stuff but I would still try to pull off a deal with Arizona for Vejmelka + Schmaltz or Crouse. Something around the 14th overall, Pickering and them eating Granlund's contract. Add or subtract as needed. /shrug

 

[Peat]

For Korpisaalo to be a good goalie then the expected goals metrics aren't just wrong, they are very, very wrong. I'll buy them being wrong, but not that wrong. That or CBJ have been the wrong system for him his entire career and he never adjusted.

I hope another team goes for him and takes him off the market.

Rust is almost as bad a floater as Guentzel.

Not on the PP imo. Not that Jake's bad there either, but Rust has a lot more speed to his game. Can't pass it as well, but offers a better option on off days.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I know it's fantasyland stuff but I would still try to pull off a deal with Arizona for Vejmelka + Schmaltz or Crouse. Something around the 14th overall, Pickering and them eating Granlund's contract. Add or subtract as needed. /shrug

That trade definitely puts us in a fantastic cap position. The question is what else we could realistically use our money on given how bad FA is.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hypothetical

Korpi/Jarry for ~8-9M and no assets spent
versus
Helle alone for ~8-9M and likely your first rounder plus possibly more going bye-byes

Hmmm. Something to be said for either approach, I guess.

I mentioned this a bit last night, but looking at Jarry's stats as the year has gone on over his career has really soured me on bringing him back. Like yes, signing Varlamov or Andersen would be substantially better insurance for Jarry over DeSmith. But what kind of damage will Jarry have to do before Sullivan goes to Varlamov or Andersen?

If you have Varlamov as a backup, you won't have to go through the 2021 Islanders series again. But will you be down like 2-0 or 3-1 before Varlamov even gets in the net?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

That trade definitely puts us in a fantastic cap position. The question is what else we could realistically use our money on given how bad FA is.

I think it'd have to happen on the draft floor, of course, to have time/cap for upcoming FA.

I imagine Dubas is a lock to chase Bunting. Maybe they can snag Graves as well. They're gonna need a 3C.

It's all bullshit, I'm sure, but it'd fun to think about. Not that I think Vejmelka is a stud or anything, but he might improve away from Arizona. /shrug

Jake-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Geno-Schmaltz
DOC-Kampf-Rakell
4th liners

Graves-Letang
Petts-Petry
Smith/POJ-Rutta

Still no real idea how they approach the goalies. Ullmark/Vejmelka? Boston's in some cap heat so there might be an opportunity to get some value there for lower than normal prices.

 

[Josey Wales]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pitts...i-puustinen-pivotal-peace-pittsburgh-penguins Good Lord How far has the Hockeey News fallen

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mentioned this a bit last night, but looking at Jarry's stats as the year has gone on over his career has really soured me on bringing him back. Like yes, signing Varlamov or Andersen would be substantially better insurance for Jarry over DeSmith. But what kind of damage will Jarry have to do before Sullivan goes to Varlamov or Andersen?

If you have Varlamov as a backup, you won't have to go through the 2021 Islanders series again. But will you be down like 2-0 or 3-1 before Varlamov even gets in the net?

I personally prefer a platoon situation but yeah... you aren't wrong... the guy making those decisions has to be accounted for. And I can't blame people for having low confidence, there.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pitts...i-puustinen-pivotal-peace-pittsburgh-penguins Good Lord How far has the Hockeey News fallen

I know it's just the URL but "pivotal peace" says it all.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I personally prefer a platoon situation but yeah... you aren't wrong... the guy making those decisions has to be accounted for. And I can't blame people for having low confidence, there.

See, I actually wouldn't even say that's a Sullivan issue. I think it's a no-win situation for him, you either have an insanely short leash for your likely $5 million goalie or you wait too long. That's the big issues with goalie platoons, they work great in the regular season but what do you do in the playoffs? When do you know to yank one guy and replace him with the other goalie?

Look at how that sunk Boston this year, Ullmark was apparently super injured but they didn't go to Swayman until it was too late.