Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[Empoleon8771]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bruins were offering something like DeBrusk plus one of their expensive depth defensemen for Hanifin, it both saves them cap space while it's a package that Calgary is allegedly looking for.

Calgary seems to be refusing to admit where they are as a team, so I think they could really like DeBrusk.

 

[Gurglesons]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bruins were offering something like DeBrusk plus one of their expensive depth defensemen for Hanifin, it both saves them cap space while it's a package that Calgary is allegedly looking for.

Calgary seems to be refusing to admit where they are as a team, so I think they could really like DeBrusk.

I guess that makes sense offering a LD like Gryz and Frederic or something.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Yeah I know Boston fans kept insisting that it wasn't comparable, but it's kinda hard to rationalize Boston getting a good return for Ullmark when Fleury was traded in the same exact situation (cap dump after winning a Vezina) a few years ago for nothing. Bruins fans just say "Ullmark is younger" or "Ullmark costs less", as if the driving factor in their value is their ability/age/contract and not their team's horrendous cap situation.

I would give them POJ and a minor draft pick to convince them to move Ullmark, but I wouldn't go beyond that.

Dubas needs to do what it takes to secure the most important position on the team, or playoffs (and any kind of run in them) is out of reach and the season has no meaning.
Going a little bit over the perceived market value for Ullmark is inconsequential.

 

[Ryder71]

Next 72 hrs should be interesting. Very exciting times, with a competent headmaster overseeing it all!

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Remember when we almost acquired JT Miller

 

[Ryder71]

Remember when we almost acquired JT Miller

Remember when the Penguins could win a damn round in the playoffs?

 

[Peat]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bruins were offering something like DeBrusk plus one of their expensive depth defensemen for Hanifin, it both saves them cap space while it's a package that Calgary is allegedly looking for.

Calgary seems to be refusing to admit where they are as a team, so I think they could really like DeBrusk.

I was going to rubbish this as swapping UFA for UFA gets them nowhere but then I checked and with DeBrusk being from Alberta, maybe he'd re-up there which would be a big deal for Calgary.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh boy we get Rob Rossi's rumors now!

What I'm hearing about Penguins trades and free agency

Low on sleep and facing big tests early in his Penguins tenure, Kyle Dubas left the draft with a sharper focus heading into free agency.

theathletic.com

Basically:

1. Hanifin likes the idea of coming to the Penguins and would sign an extension here. Rossi falsely claims that the Penguins are "on a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to", despite Hanifin only having an 8-team NTC.
2. Dubas tried to trade Petry but people didn't like his age and cap hit.
3. Dubas likes the work Pryor did with the drafts.
4. Jarry is expected to test UFA and will likely get more term from another team than the Penguins
5. Dubas wants to make trades to fill significant holes on his roster and only use UFA for depth players.

It wouldn't surprise me if all of 1-4 are just wrong

 

[tom_servo]

Remember when the Penguins could win a damn round in the playoffs?

Yeah, Jake put 4 goals on Philly and giggled all the way to the handshake line.

At least the last one was a fun one.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Rossi falsely claims that the Penguins are "on a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to", despite Hanifin only having an 8-team NTC.

Not to even say Rossi is correct but Hanifin may have a short list of teams he’ll extend with.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also Rossi mentioned that FSG is hoping that Crosby can sign a contract that will guarantee he finishes his career with the Penguins. First time I've heard anyone mention Crosby re-signing up until now.

Not to even say Rossi is correct but Hanifin may have a short list of teams he’ll extend with.

No, that was 2 separate sections of the article. One section said that there was a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to, and then Rossi said that Hanifin would be willing to sign an extension with the Penguins about 3 paragraphs later.

 

[Gurglesons]

 

[Peat]

Oh boy we get Rob Rossi's rumors now!

What I'm hearing about Penguins trades and free agency

Low on sleep and facing big tests early in his Penguins tenure, Kyle Dubas left the draft with a sharper focus heading into free agency.

theathletic.com

Basically:

1. Hanifin likes the idea of coming to the Penguins and would sign an extension here. Rossi falsely claims that the Penguins are "on a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to", despite Hanifin only having an 8-team NTC.
2. Dubas tried to trade Petry but people didn't like his age and cap hit.
3. Dubas likes the work Pryor did with the drafts.
4. Jarry is expected to test UFA and will likely get more term from another team than the Penguins
5. Dubas wants to make trades to fill significant holes on his roster and only use UFA for depth players.

It wouldn't surprise me if all of 1-4 are just wrong

Hanifin going yes and no to whether he'd be willing to sign an extension is as good as an NTC and we've already been told about Petry from others.

And I could have told you the Jarry one from already out there rumours and common sense too.

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah, Jake put 4 goals on Philly and giggled all the way to the handshake line.

At least the last one was a fun one.

That very well could be the last one if we revisit that same question in 2028. lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hanifin going yes and no to whether he'd be willing to sign an extension is as good as an NTC and we've already been told about Petry from others.

And I could have told you the Jarry one from already out there rumours and common sense too.

See, I don't think that is it because Rossi mentioned the extension part in 2 different places. If they were related, I imagine that Rossi would mention them at the same time. But one part mentioned a "short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to" and another part mentioned "Hanifin would sign an extension with the Penguins".

But on Hanifin, it's a no brainer to trade a 1st+ for him if he's willing to extend with the Penguins. If you trade a 1st for him now and sign him to a Lindholm type of contract, you can almost assuredly get that 1st back when the team is rebuilding.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

One section said that there was a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to

I subscribe. I’m saying ”approve a trade” and “extend with team” could be being used synonymously. It is effectively the same unless it’s a hostile relationship between Hanifin and Calgary.

 

[Ryder71]

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So, the choke artist is goin on the open market eh? GOOD RIDDANCE and thanks for nothing you two bit obi wan jabroni goalie YOU!

I subscribe. I’m saying ”approve a trade” and “extend with team” could be being used synonymously.

Hanifin is a guy I've liked since he came into the league. Don't know what the flames would want however.

 

[Peat]

See, I don't think that is it because Rossi mentioned the extension part in 2 different places. If they were related, I imagine that Rossi would mention them at the same time. But one part mentioned a "short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to" and another part mentioned "Hanifin would sign an extension with the Penguins".

But on Hanifin, it's a no brainer to trade a 1st+ for him if he's willing to extend with the Penguins. If you trade a 1st for him now and sign him to a Lindholm type of contract, you can almost assuredly get that 1st back when the team is rebuilding.

Would sir wish to reconsider whether he is willing to rest the logic of his argument upon the belief that Rob Rossi's writing completely and totally represents the perceived facts of the situation in the most clear and unambiguous style possible?

 

[tom_servo]

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You reading hockey news on your Kindle?

 

[Gurglesons]

You reading hockey news on your Kindle?

yes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Would sir wish to reconsider whether he is willing to rest the logic of his argument upon the belief that Rob Rossi's writing completely and totally represents the perceived facts of the situation in the most clear and unambiguous style possible?

That's a fancy way of saying "Rob Rossi is a dolt", so yes I agree.

 

[Peat]

That's a fancy way of saying "Rob Rossi is a dolt", so yes I agree.

The ruder I feel, the more formal I get.

But anyway, yeah. What @CheckingLineCenter said. Seems quite likely the two are linked and he didn't represent it properly.

It's also quite possible he's making all of this up and didn't check Capfriendly correctly. The only thing there that I don't think hasn't been mentioned by another journo, or couldn't be deduced by a child of five, is the thing about Dubas liking Pryor's work.

 

[SEALBound]

So trade for a top 4 dman, goalie, and top 6 wing. Sign a 3C and 3W.

Makes sense.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I don't know Dubas well enough to say one way or the other but I just don't see him being cutthroat enough to dump Pryor directly after he handled the draft for him. Argument could be made that he'd be within his rights to do some housecleaning there but Pryor himself more or less just got that job and will likely be allowed to prove himself.

This idea that they only didn't shitcan him already because it was too close to the draft doesn't hold a ton of water to me. Dubas himself certainly had a good enough feel for the draft and there are plenty of old hats within the scouting department that could have taken the reigns for 48 hours. I'm not saying any old moron with a copy of Dobbers could do it but, well...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Oh boy we get Rob Rossi's rumors now!

What I'm hearing about Penguins trades and free agency

Low on sleep and facing big tests early in his Penguins tenure, Kyle Dubas left the draft with a sharper focus heading into free agency.

theathletic.com

Basically:

1. Hanifin likes the idea of coming to the Penguins and would sign an extension here. Rossi falsely claims that the Penguins are "on a short list of teams Hanifin would approve a trade to", despite Hanifin only having an 8-team NTC.
2. Dubas tried to trade Petry but people didn't like his age and cap hit.
3. Dubas likes the work Pryor did with the drafts.
4. Jarry is expected to test UFA and will likely get more term from another team than the Penguins
5. Dubas wants to make trades to fill significant holes on his roster and only use UFA for depth players.

It wouldn't surprise me if all of 1-4 are just wrong

So in reality:
1-Hanifin has the Pens on his NT list
2-Dubas sees Petry as untouchable and won't trade him
3-Dubas will fire Pryor the moment he gets a chance because he hated the picks
4-Jarry will sign with the Pens on a short term extension
5-Dubas will overpay for UFAs and not make any trades