Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[Empoleon8771]

I would rather have 1.8m of dead cap and the right players than no dead cap but the wrong players. Look at Minnesota trucking along with 14m of dead cap or Florida making the finals with 6m of dead cap. You can create very good teams without using all the NHL cap if you have the right players who fit in the right system. Not having the asset increases the chance of getting the wrong players.

I think the most likely outcome of not doing say a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd to get out of Granlund's deal is that the team just keeps those picks and uses them for the "rebuild". I don't think it will impact whether the Penguins can get the "right" or "wrong" player in their window in the next 3 years.

 

[Darren McCord]

Shut the f*** up Kingerski

lol what a moron

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Let me preface this by saying that so far it's not like I have any problems with the new FO, really. Or at least I want to take a measured approach as it's so damned early.

But I swear to f*** if this team goes the Hextall route AND keeps that floater on the roster I'm cashing out early on my patience, lighting my hair on fire and joining pixies at the wailing wall.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because teams have assets. We don't. Look at our picks over this year and next compared to the Islanders.

The Penguins have better picks than the Islanders have this year.

The Islanders didn't have a 1st and 3rd this year and didn't have a 3rd next year. The Penguins only didn't have a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.

 

[Josey Wales]

lol what a moron

What Dumbshit did he post now

 

[Randy Butternubs]

If that was the case, why wouldn't every team just buy out their expensive players rather than paying to get rid of them?

The Islanders traded a 2nd to get out of Bailey's deal instead of facing a $2.7 million cap penalty this year and a $1.2 million cap penalty next year.

Because there's different demands for different players? And because different teams have different assets and cap situations?

I just saw your reply to Peat. Yes, I'd much rather prefer to send out Granlund and his full cap hit with picks from years from now. But I'm not seeing much a demand for Granlund nor teams wanting a 2027 pick.

 

[Gurglesons]

The Penguins have better picks than the Islanders have this year.

The Islanders didn't have a 1st and 3rd this year and didn't have a 3rd next year. The Penguins only didn't have a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.

If we hypothetically move out a 2nd we are really thinning out potential picks to improve the team.

 

[Darren McCord]

What Dumbshit did he post now

We should have got Bailey and a second instead of Smith.

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If we hypothetically move out a 2nd we are really thinning out potential picks to improve the team.

That looks better for the pens....

 

[Empoleon8771]

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The Penguins have more picks than the Islanders? I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

Both have 11 picks but the Penguins picks seem slightly higher quality due to the Islanders trading their 1st.

Because there's different demands for different players? And because different teams have different assets and cap situations?

I just saw your reply to Peat. Yes, I'd much rather prefer to send out Granlund and his full cap hit with picks from years from now. But I'm not seeing much a demand for Granlund nor teams wanting a 2027 pick.

Yeah, that's what I was advocating for, using 2 far down the line 2nds to get out of Granlund's deal entirely.

I think a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd would almost assuredly get it done, especially considering the Penguins will likely be bad by 2026-2027.

 

[Gurglesons]

That looks better for the pens....

Why?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Kingerski doesn't have quite the same flair for the moronic as Yohe and Rossi but he's like... willfully ignorant.

What the f*** would this team do with Bailey?

 

[Peat]

I think the most likely outcome of not doing say a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd to get out of Granlund's deal is that the team just keeps those picks and uses them for the "rebuild". I don't think it will impact whether the Penguins can get the "right" or "wrong" player in their window in the next 3 years.

If they're willing to spend those picks now to help the team on moving a player, why not be willing to spend those picks now to help the team on acquiring a player? Makes no sense.

We should have got Bailey and a second instead of Smith.

Is that you Dan Kingerski?

 

[Gurglesons]

The Penguins have more picks than the Islanders? I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

No we don't? We have 10 picks over this year and next to Islanders 11 and 3 of our picks are in the 7th round.

 

[Darren McCord]

Why?

3 frst
2 2nds
2 3rds

vs

2 frst
3 2nds
1 3rds

The rest are pretty much lottery.

 

[Empoleon8771]

No we don't? We have 10 picks over this year and next to Islanders 11 and 3 of our picks are in the 7th round.

Uh.....

Both teams there have 11 picks.

Now if you're not including the 2023 1st, it is 11 to 10 but I have no clue why you wouldn't include the 2023 1st.

If they're willing to spend those picks now to help the team on moving a player, why not be willing to spend those picks now to help the team on acquiring a player? Makes no sense.

Do you think that you're getting anything of notable value to help the team today for a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd?

I think a team who is taking a bad contract is much more willing to accept those far down the line picks than someone selling an asset they currently have.

 

[Darren McCord]

If they're willing to spend those picks now to help the team on moving a player, why not be willing to spend those picks now to help the team on acquiring a player? Makes no sense.



Is that you Dan Kingerski?

I was telling a poster what he said. And what he said was idoitic

 

[Gurglesons]

Uh.....

Both teams there have 11 picks.



Do you think that you're getting anything of notable value to help the team today for a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd?

I think a team who is taking a bad contract is much more willing to accept those far down the line picks than someone selling an asset they currently have.

Math.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Yeah, that's what I was advocating for, using 2 far down the line 2nds to get out of Granlund's deal entirely.

I think a 2025 2nd and a 2027 2nd would almost assuredly get it done, especially considering the Penguins will likely be bad by 2026-2027.

I just don't see that happening. A 2025 pick would be ready in 2028 at the earliest and a 2027 maybe in 2030.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just don't see that happening. A 2025 pick would be ready in 2028 at the earliest and a 2027 maybe in 2030.

The Islanders just traded a 2026 2nd to get out of Bailey's deal, though.



Seravalli is listing Petry and Granlund. Honestly, I'm getting vibes that Petry is a bit more likely of a cap casualty than Granlund. Seravalli is also saying that Granlund isn't a buyout candidate here.

 

[Gurglesons]

3 frst
2 2nds
2 3rds

vs

2 frst
3 2nds
1 3rds

The rest are pretty much lottery.

But we are advocating for us to move out one of our 2nds.

So it drops us to 3 firsts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds.

 

[Josey Wales]

We should have got Bailey and a second instead of Smith.







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We should have got Bailey and a second instead of Smith.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I'd be pumped if we get rid of both Gran and Petry. Hope one is involved in a Gibson trade.

 

[Darren McCord]

But we are advocating for us to move out one of our 2nds.

So it drops us to 3 firsts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds.

If you move like the 2026 2nd then its whatever. That is what the Isles did.

I agree and dont want to move it. Just saying thats the argument. Granlund can be moved other ways.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

The Islanders just traded a 2026 2nd to get out of Bailey's deal, though.

But I do think we all agree that this is our order of preference with regards to Granlund:

1. Granlund not on the team with $0 towards the cap
2. Granlund not on the team with <25% of his cap on the team
3. Granlund not on the team with 50% of his cap
4. No NHL season
5. Granlund on the team

 

[Darren McCord]

I'd be pumped if we get rid of both Gran and Petry. Hope one is involved in a Gibson trade.

We need a top 4 RD tho.