Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Jag68Sid87]

Eller is my sleeper candidate to get a surprisingly good return at the deadline. Centres are always in demand, he's playing well this year, a proven winner, and most importantly on a very affordable cap hit with no trade protection.

Teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Vancouver are always struggling with available players having them on no trade lists.

Eller had value last season, but Mikey boy loves him so much he told Dubas to tell the media that Eller had no value. That nobody wanted him.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. Lars Eller has always had value. We are not stupid.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Eller had value last season, but Mikey boy loves him so much he told Dubas to tell the media that Eller had no value. That nobody wanted him.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. Lars Eller has always had value. We are not stupid.

We moved Teddy Blueger for a 3rd a couple years ago.

Lars Eller is better than TB.

 

[SEALBound]

That was my thought process. Atleast then Sid would have a winger who has offensive talent.

Fiala doesn't know what defense means though.

Oh good, he'd right in and there'd be no loss!

We moved Teddy Blueger for a 3rd a couple years ago.

Lars Eller is better than TB.

Agreed. His age by handicap the return but hell, even Henrique and Carrick got a 1st and 4th from Edmonton. Maybe Eller+Acciari/Nieto/Beau/etc would get a 1st from them or someone?

 

[Pancakes]

Eller had value last season, but Mikey boy loves him so much he told Dubas to tell the media that Eller had no value. That nobody wanted him.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. Lars Eller has always had value. We are not stupid.

Eh, Eller is pretty old, and teams tend to like to trade for players with expiring contracts at the TDL.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eller has more value now that he's a rental than he did with the extra year attached. Teams are paranoid about cap flexibility.

It's weird I'm going through our UFAs now in my head and trying to picture their value and I feel like we have a number of guys that I almost want to say could get a second rounder but I'm probably just overrating their value out of misguided optimism.

 

[Sideline]

Oh good, he'd right in and there'd be no loss!

Agreed. His age by handicap the return but hell, even Henrique and Carrick got a 1st and 4th from Edmonton. Maybe Eller+Acciari/Nieto/Beau/etc would get a 1st from them or someone?

That was the exact deal that makes me think Eller could be a sneaky high value trade chip. Henrique has been more productive offensively, but not by so much that the comparison is crazy.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Keeping tabs on how the season's going compared to the previous two through 20 games;

2022-23: 10-7-3, 72 GF, 65 GA
2023-24: 10-10-0, 61 GF, 52 GA
2024-25: 3-7-1, 33 GF, 48 GA thus far

Man that goals against number makes me laugh every time. It's gonna be wild at game 20.

 

[SEALBound]

That was the exact deal that makes me think Eller could be a sneaky high value trade chip. Henrique has been more productive offensively, but not by so much that the comparison is crazy.

Indeed. Sam Carrick was largely irrelevent. He was your standard 4th line-depth player. If we offer someone slightly better - Beau, DOC, etc - we might close the value gap between Henrique and Eller.

Henrique was scoring at a 25g pace last year. Eller is on a 30g pace and will cost $2.45mil or less. So yeah, definitely a sneaky high value chip if his play continues.

 

[Pancakes]

Keeping tabs on how the season's going compared to the previous two through 20 games;

2022-23: 10-7-3, 72 GF, 65 GA
2023-24: 10-10-0, 61 GF, 52 GA
2024-25: 3-7-1, 33 GF, 48 GA thus far

Man that goals against number makes me laugh every time. It's gonna be wild at game 20.

A part of me wants to say there's just no way the Pens are this bad. That they will normalize to being their usual "not a playoff team but not a cellar dweller" form.

But they are an old team that's getting older and Sullivan is a stale coach that is getting staler.

They might actually be lottery material this year regardless of Sid and Geno still being on the roster. That's a sad reality to be living in, but might be where we're at.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Indeed. Sam Carrick was largely irrelevent. He was your standard 4th line-depth player. If we offer someone slightly better - Beau, DOC, etc - we might close the value gap between Henrique and Eller.

Henrique was scoring at a 25g pace last year. Eller is on a 30g pace and will cost $2.45mil or less. So yeah, definitely a sneaky high value chip if his play continues.

Eller should absolutely be gone at the TDL, for sure. And you’re right, there absolutely should be interest.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't know who these assholes are but they show up in my apple news feeds for hockey and their stuff is truly the worst click bait shit I've ever seen for hockey news. It's pure trash.

Just go through the headline titles of their "reports" and see how little it is for actual news.

HockeyFeed - The ultimate source for the NHL fans

Stay ahead of the game with our exclusive hockey news, analysis and insider info.

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[SEALBound]

BuzzFeed
HockeyBuzz
...
HockeyFeed

With shitty, click-bait "reports". That tracks.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

A part of me wants to say there's just no way the Pens are this bad. That they will normalize to being their usual "not a playoff team but not a cellar dweller" form.

But they are an old team that's getting older and Sullivan is a stale coach that is getting staler.

They might actually be lottery material this year regardless of Sid and Geno still being on the roster. That's a sad reality to be living in, but might be where we're at.

With Sullivan at the helm, they're absolutely this bad. Even with four HHOF players on the roster and two of the best ever to do it.

Sid had one of the best seasons a 36 year old's ever had last year and they were a random late March/early April hot streak away from picking like 7th overall.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5860549/2024/10/22/nhl-front-office-rankings/

What f***ing psychopath gave the Pens a vote for the 2nd best FO in hockey? Also Yzerman and the Wings at 10th? I dunno man.

 

[BusinessGoose]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5860549/2024/10/22/nhl-front-office-rankings/

What f***ing psychopath gave the Pens a vote for the 2nd best FO in hockey? Also Yzerman and the Wings at 10th? I dunno man.

If I was working in an office with the vibes of this one, let's just say, I would be filling out a lot of applications on company time to GTFO there

 

[Honour Over Glory]

A few weeks ago, Werner addressed the beat organizations which cover the Penguins daily. Werner’s pithy phrase was, “We’re in the mode of being impatient.”

https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/mike-sullivan-pittsburgh-penguins-coaching-job-pressure-building/

One could only hope that means a loss to Anaheim and the Habs are enough and Sullivan is green lit to he canned.

I feel a bit like @Andy99 here but Yohe was on some podcast yesterday and said that Sid doesnt want Sullivan fired and FSG loves him. He doesnt think Sullivan is getting fired no matter how bad the season gets.

I have have been trying to look for any inkling of Sullivan being on the hot seat but I cant find anything. Sullivan is gonna be here until Sid retires.

Seems like Werner and FSG are getting impatient.

Yohe is also a dipshit and if Crosby believes than then Crosby can go f*** off.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Eller had value last season, but Mikey boy loves him so much he told Dubas to tell the media that Eller had no value. That nobody wanted him.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. Lars Eller has always had value. We are not stupid.

Eller went for a 2nd to the Avs and he wasn't even remotely as good as he has been last season or this year when he did. You'd almost have to f*** up royally to take less than a 2nd for Eller this time around.

BuzzFeed
HockeyBuzz
...
HockeyFeed

With shitty, click-bait "reports". That tracks.

Yeah they're absolute trash.

 

[Andy99]

lol…at this commentary coming out already…short answer: no…of course, Button ignores the albatross coach…

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/the-talking-point-is-penguins-season-savable~3020214

 

[Deport Ogie]

Anyone watching Sid play this year and believing he LOVES Sully and wants him kept around should probably watch closer. 87 has been looking real Mike Johnston lately.

 

[Gurglesons]

We moved Teddy Blueger for a 3rd a couple years ago.

Lars Eller is better than TB.

Yeah but Ron Hextall is better than Kyle Dubas at trades

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Jarry's doing well in Wilkes. .922 through 2 games.
I'll give Sullivan credit for at least handling this tricky situation as well as possible.

 

[McGroarty2]

Hoping Sullivan gets good value if he decides the Pens are sellers. Pettersson and Eller should get a good return.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Anyone watching Sid play this year and believing he LOVES Sully and wants him kept around should probably watch closer. 87 has been looking real Mike Johnston lately.

I said it during the road trip, he looks and is playing like a Captain that wants his coach gone!

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Puljujarvi game logs. Look at his ice time and confidence get hacked away in the midst of a 5-game point streak.
Most coaches boost minutes when someone's lighting it up in your bottom-six with limited time on ice. But not this coach. He's special. He does the polar opposite.
This could be the next Heinen treatment.
This guy's such an idiot. I can't stand how he operates. We may lose JP on waivers now lol

 

[SEALBound]

https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/mike-sullivan-pittsburgh-penguins-coaching-job-pressure-building/

One could only hope that means a loss to Anaheim and the Habs are enough and Sullivan is green lit to he canned.

Now that there's "pressure mounting" I'm not convinced I want Sullivan gone now. I'm enjoying talking about top 5 picks

Anyone watching Sid play this year and believing he LOVES Sully and wants him kept around should probably watch closer. 87 has been looking real Mike Johnston lately.

And if he does, that's Sid's issue to bear.

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Puljujarvi game logs. Look at his ice time and confidence get hacked away in the midst of a 5-game point streak.
Most coaches boost minutes when someone's lighting it up in your bottom-six with limited time on ice. But not this coach. He's special. He does the polar opposite.
This could be the next Heinen treatment.
This guy's such an idiot. I can't stand how he operates. We may lose JP on waivers now lol

Yeah, pretty frustrating when you can show that if you give a player 11min+ a game, he'll go PPG. Definitely someone that should be elevated, not demoted.

Malkin-Sid-Rakell
DOC-Eller-Puustinen
Bunting-Glass-Puljujarvi
Hayes-Acciari-Beauvillier

Those should be the lines right now. Switch Bunting and Beau if you'd like.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jarry's doing well in Wilkes. .922 through 2 games.
I'll give Sullivan credit for at least handling this tricky situation as well as possible.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851781525802508593

Stat watching doesn't tell you that he's giving up goals like this.