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[North]

Pleease I hope no-one is annoyed by me writing this one (for now) message about Jesse Puljujarvi. If things get rough and there's a need to try something in the bottom 9 I still think he could be one option. He did have a pretty strong stretch of 1,5 seasons and he seems healthy again and the big difference is he'd come on minimum salary.

He started the season very well, one point away from ppg rate and his points/60 was in the top40 in the NHL. Got an assist again, but Sullivan still demoted him after that game and he's played under 10 minutes or now even under 5 minutes per game. Pittsburgh fans keep claiming Sullivan doesn't like European players but whatever it is, it seems he doesn't need Puljujarvi and thus something like a 3rd might be enough to get him.

The Hockey News just wrote about him so I hope a link is okay:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/opinion-penguins-are-wasting-opportunity-with-jesse-puljujarvi

While Jesse does good things, he also can cost a team.

A delayed unnecessary penalty he took ended up giving Winnipeg life in the Pens-Jets game. Winnipeg scored with the extra man and went on to win.

 

[timekeep]

Except we did pay last year, we were sitting on 3.5 mill in dead cap in the Finals just in net alone last year because of Holland.

Holland is the one who mismanaged the goal tending position, we shouldn't have been playing Stuart Skinner in a game 7 of a Cup Final at all if he had gotten his goaltending swing correct (and/or figured he made a mistake early enough and moved on to some one better).

If he had gotten a good goalie post Koskinen (another dumb mistake was two GMs consecutively letting Koskinen playing all 4 freaking seasons here).

That's just how thin the margin is in the NHL, you can make a few mistakes (overpay Nurse here, not utilize leverage in a Keith deal, sign a disaster Kassian contract, etc. etc.) and get away with them, but Holland ran over his mistake ledger with the Campbell signing and it probably is the difference between having a Cup and not having a Cup.

I don't blame Skinner for that, I blame Holland.

And why don't we employ Vegas' strategy of trying multiple goalies until you hit on one? Here we just anoint one guy as if he's the next Grant Fuhr without any track record.

Bang on, the Keith trade was brutal.

 

[powerserge]

All kinds of good arguments. We will see if our new 14 million dollar guy can lead with McD out.

All summer we talked about these crazy contracts and surrounding your team. I'm not saying our 3 guys aren't worth 16, 14 and 10 million. Well I am, if you want a good team, you need to leave $ to surround your best players, and as they get older.

McD said earlier that he "hopes" he can be as effective as Crosby at 37. Usually in your early to mid 30's there is a fall off, especially after 35. Ryan and Perry should not be every day players as we can see. It's too hard to keep up and recover in today's NHL. No one wants to listen though. Pay our stars whatever they want then complain when we don't win.

Yes there is some mistakes and poor drafting but the main thing is paying too much for these stars. McD should be at 13.5 and Drai 11.4, then this leaves enough to sign good players and if you do make a mistake as management has/will it is not catastrophic. We should make the playoffs, I hope.

Drai and Bouch are as cheap as they will ever be this year, still have only 3.6 mil invested in both goalies, we are missing a real top 4 D and we have an aged team with less speed than last year. Let's see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks.

One way to resolve some of these issues would be the taxes aspect. Canadian teams are at a disadvantage already with the weather, etc. Be nice if there was parity when it comes to taxes so that the low tax states do not have an advantage and can sign players for cheaper as a result. It's not just a player's salary, it's his take home salary. Just like with the revenue sharing, there should be tax sharing to remove this advantage. Every player pays around the same taxes as all taxes are pooled. This way it's an even playing field when it comes to players incomes. Doubt this will happen but it should. For example our 14 mil Drai would be 10-12 in Florida, he would take home the same $. We are paying 2-4 mil more just on one player. Is what it is but would be a fair solution when it comes to salaries.

 

[timekeep]

All kinds of good arguments. We will see if our new 14 million dollar guy can lead with McD out.

All summer we talked about these crazy contracts and surrounding your team. I'm not saying our 3 guys aren't worth 16, 14 and 10 million. Well I am, if you want a good team, you need to leave $ to surround your best players, and as they get older.

McD said earlier that he "hopes" he can be as effective as Crosby at 37. Usually in your early to mid 30's there is a fall off, especially after 35. Ryan and Perry should not be every day players as we can see. It's too hard to keep up and recover in today's NHL. No one wants to listen though. Pay our stars whatever they want then complain when we don't win.

Yes there is some mistakes and poor drafting but the main this is paying too much for these stars. McD should be at 13.5 and Drai 11.4, then this leaves enough to sign good players and if you do make a mistake as management has/will it is not catastrophic. We should make the playoffs, I hope.

Drai and Bouch are as cheap as they will ever be this year, still have only 3.6 mil invested in both goalies, we are missing a real top 4 D and we have an aged team with less speed than last year. Let's see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks.

One way to resolve some of these issues would be the taxes aspect. Canadian teams are at a disadvantage already with the weather, etc. Be nice if there was parity when it comes to taxes so that the low tax states do not have an advantage and can sign players for cheaper as a result. It's not just a player's salary, it's his take home salary. Just like with the revenue sharing, there should be tax sharing to remove this advantage. Every player pays around the same taxes as all taxes are pooled. This way it's an even playing field when it comes to players incomes. Doubt this will happen but it should. For example our 14 mil Drai would be 10-12 in Florida, he would take home the same $. We are paying 2-4 mil more just on one player. Is what it is but would be a fair solution when it comes to salaries.

And soo many people were complaining that Broberg and Holloway were greedy. I'm very disappointed in the discount Drai took. If Bouchard is more than Nurse, they are losing 4 seats.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Bang on, the Keith trade was brutal.

I was so upset by the abject stupidity of the Keith deal...the missed opportunity that it represented...that i quit this site vowing to stop cheering for the Oilers. 2-3 weeks later after spending time on other boards and missing this one I came crawling back.

 

[Whyme]

While Jesse does good things, he also can cost a team.

A delayed unnecessary penalty he took ended up giving Winnipeg life in the Pens-Jets game. Winnipeg scored with the extra man and went on to win.

I still reply as it was written to me.

Sure, but it's not like this has been specifically his problem. In addition to that penalty he's got one other penalty this season in the 10 games. All in all he's had 10 penalty minutes in 32 games in Pittsburgh. He didn't take too many penalties in the Oilers either so while I'm not saying he's perfect I don't think this particular thing really is a problem. His +- is also the 4th best (shared) of the team and hugely better than O'Connor's or Rust's so I think the reasons for the demotion are elsewhere this time.

 

[Duder54]

Honestly, it boggles my mind a little bit just how terrible the defensive roster is on this so-called "Stanley Cup Contending" roster.

 

[belair]

Honestly, it boggles my mind a little bit just how terrible the defensive roster is on this so-called "Stanley Cup Contending" roster.

We were in a far worse spot last season at the same point.

The regular season is a long stretch of hockey where teams work out their consistency issues and find and build chemistry. This isn't the same team that went to the Finals last season. But a lot of the same components are there.

 

[Soundwave]

Florida lost 3 dmen in the offseason and he went into the year slotted in as PP1 QB in a fulltime role and he fumbled it quickly.

I doubt he's worth claiming

Given that we've pissed away about a decade's worth of picks + won't likely have our 1st for the next few years, we should be taking flyers on opportunities like that if they present themselves.

Some young players just click better in different situations with different coaching staffs.

Like what's even the downside, oh noes Dermott doesn't get to play.

 

[Drivesaitl]

All kinds of good arguments. We will see if our new 14 million dollar guy can lead with McD out.

All summer we talked about these crazy contracts and surrounding your team. I'm not saying our 3 guys aren't worth 16, 14 and 10 million. Well I am, if you want a good team, you need to leave $ to surround your best players, and as they get older.

McD said earlier that he "hopes" he can be as effective as Crosby at 37. Usually in your early to mid 30's there is a fall off, especially after 35. Ryan and Perry should not be every day players as we can see. It's too hard to keep up and recover in today's NHL. No one wants to listen though. Pay our stars whatever they want then complain when we don't win.

Yes there is some mistakes and poor drafting but the main thing is paying too much for these stars. McD should be at 13.5 and Drai 11.4, then this leaves enough to sign good players and if you do make a mistake as management has/will it is not catastrophic. We should make the playoffs, I hope.

Drai and Bouch are as cheap as they will ever be this year, still have only 3.6 mil invested in both goalies, we are missing a real top 4 D and we have an aged team with less speed than last year. Let's see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks.

One way to resolve some of these issues would be the taxes aspect. Canadian teams are at a disadvantage already with the weather, etc. Be nice if there was parity when it comes to taxes so that the low tax states do not have an advantage and can sign players for cheaper as a result. It's not just a player's salary, it's his take home salary. Just like with the revenue sharing, there should be tax sharing to remove this advantage. Every player pays around the same taxes as all taxes are pooled. This way it's an even playing field when it comes to players incomes. Doubt this will happen but it should. For example our 14 mil Drai would be 10-12 in Florida, he would take home the same $. We are paying 2-4 mil more just on one player. Is what it is but would be a fair solution when it comes to salaries.

This isn't the main thing at all. The Oilers have to sign McD and Drai or they may as well turn out the lights.

The team ends up paying market price for these guys otherwise risks losing one or the other or both. The contract killing is in all the money the team throws around. This year we have deferred pay, buyouts, too much for Arvid 4M, too much for Janmark 1.5M, too much fill players instead of having guys in here on ELC's Nurse 9M is the worst hurt of all contractually.

Now Drai arguably will not earn 14M but he's a prelude t signing McD. Oilers had no choice.

 

[brentashton]

I'd personally like Provorov.

So we trade again for a player that injured 97? Hmmm…

JK. I Ike Provorov. Hasn’t developed like many thought but still has pedigree. Maybe we could unlock the potential.

 

[belair]

He is averaging 11.30 a game. When you are not getting on the ice you tend to get off to a slow start. There must be something in his game that is concerning the panthers and why the BJS did not tender him a new contract

From what I've seen of him he just has a difficult time staying healthy. He gets injured in weird ways. But I see a skilled puck-moving RD that other teams are underappreciating. Brannstrom was another.

We have two high-end LD that can play the entire game, if required. One of them needs a partner that can transport the puck.

 

[Soundwave]

Problem with Provorov is its unlikely you can keep him long term. He will probably want 6-7 on his next deal and we can't afford that (thank you 2.3 million Jack Campbell buy out penalty next year).

If we could some how get in on Zub that would be nice. Not signing you-know-who-Berg at probably around 2-3 million when we likely could have in July screwed us, now we're gonna have to pay like a 1st+ to probably get a rental. If 1.8 was the ask, oh boy.

Imagine how much easier this would be if each management group didn't walk in and almost immediately screw something up.

 

[belair]

Problem with Provorov is its unlikely you can keep him long term. He will probably want 6-7 on his next deal and we can't afford that (thank you 2.3 million Jack Campbell buy out penalty).

If we could some how get in on Zub that would be nice. Not signing you-know-who-Berg at probably around 2-3 million when we likely could have in July screwed us, now we're gonna have to pay like a 1st+ to probably get a rental.

His play over the last few seasons doesn't scream $6-7m. If he was in fact the guy we targeted, he'd be getting the Nurse workload. A lot of PK, a lot of tough 5v5 and minimal PP.

Provorov looks like what Broberg will be a few years from now. He'd be an interesting player to pick up and sign to term.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

So do I have this right that if Mcdavid does not go on LTIR we are actually losing cap space because of the players we had to call up?

If this is the case why don't we LTIR Mcdavid. It's only 10 games

Does anyone know if we can retroactively put him on LTIR?

 

[powerserge]

This isn't the main thing at all. The Oilers have to sign McD and Drai or they may as well turn out the lights.

The team ends up paying market price for these guys otherwise risks losing one or the other or both. The contract killing is in all the money the team throws around. This year we have deferred pay, buyouts, too much for Arvid 4M, too much for Janmark 1.5M, too much fill players instead of having guys in here on ELC's Nurse 9M is the worst hurt of all contractually.

Now Drai arguably will not earn 14M but he's a prelude t signing McD. Oilers had no choice.

St Louis was not the only team that was going to offer sheet us. Why did they do 2 years on Holly and Broberg? Teams knew we were in a bind, especially next year. Why are we in a bind? Because we need to be paying record setting deals to 2 or 3 players and we can't afford to keep our young guys. Yes there is mismanagement, I gave the price we should be paying those two, as they get older, as we discussed this summer. I'll stick to it. Oilers are my team but I do not like the way they are doing things (vet team, old team, top heavy contracts, loss of speed and youth and future, to try to win now).

There is always a choice. You can play hardball with your top guys too or get more creative to defer your contracts like they did in Carolina. No creativity at all. You can tell me in 2-3 weeks what you think of Drai and if he's the 14 mil player that is carrying his team with McJesus out. Can he hold his own yes, can he stand out leaps and bounds above other teams top players, doubt it. Plenty of other teams best players are schooling us this year, not the other way around. For what these two are being paid I don't expect them to dominate every night but 90% of the time absolutely. No ifs ands or buts about it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

St Louis was not the only team that was going to offer sheet us. Why did they do 2 years on Holly and Broberg? Teams knew we were in a bind, especially next year. Why are we in a bind? Because we need to be paying record setting deals to 2 or 3 players and we can't afford to keep our young guys. Yes there is mismanagement, I gave the price we should be paying those two, as they get older, as we discussed this summer. I'll stick to it. Oilers are my team but I do not like the way they are doing things (vet team, old team, top heavy contracts, loss of speed and youth and future, to try to win now).

There is always a choice. You can play hardball with your top guys too or get more creative to defer your contracts like they did in Carolina. No creativity at all. You can tell me in 2-3 weeks what you think of Drai and if he's the 14 mil player that is carrying his team with McJesus out. Can he hold his own yes, can he stand out leaps and bounds above other teams top players, doubt it. Plenty of other teams best players are schooling us this year, not the other way around. For what these two are being paid I don't expect them to dominate every night but 90% of the time absolutely. No ifs ands or buts about it.

I agree the Oilers left themselves open. But we could have reserved some of our cap in other ways as I mentioned. But this again from someone who never would've signed the Connor Brown contract, or acquired Brown at all, and with his deferred amount to this season. Org does stupid things wins prizes.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Are people actually upset that we didnt get

Timothy Liljegren​

Or

Oli Matta

?

Like actually?

 

[Fourier]

So do I have this right that if Mcdavid does not go on LTIR we are actually losing cap space because of the players we had to call up?

If this is the case why don't we LTIR Mcdavid. It's only 10 games

Does anyone know if we can retroactively put him on LTIR?

You can retroactively LTIR a player. They have no reason to put McDavid on LTIR right now. First off he is not expected to be out long enough to justify it. But even if it was going to be close, there is no advantage to putting him on LTIR.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Provorov is not the right guy, both in terms of skill and contract. Ideally we find a right-handed shot who plays a simple, predictable game and who has 2-3 years left so they fit into our competitive window. Zub's probably not happening until the deadline and that's even if OTT is out of it completely, so that leaves... Connor Murphy? Maybe Bowman can fleece his old team in the next couple weeks and give this team a shot in the arm while other Connor is out.

 

[North]

Are people actually upset that we didnt get

Timothy Liljegren​

Or

Oli Matta

?

Like actually?

Don’t forget Matt Benning.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Apparently Utah is looking to trade Michael Carcone. Imo, he'd be a great fit on our bottom 6 over pretty much anyone and he's an energy guy, too. Thoughts?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Apparently Utah is looking to trade Michael Carcone. Imo, he'd be a great fit on our bottom 6 over pretty much anyone and he's an energy guy, too. Thoughts?

Makes league min and Utah apparently just wants a mid-pick.

Absolute no brainer in my opinion.

 

[McShogun99]

Apparently Utah is looking to trade Michael Carcone. Imo, he'd be a great fit on our bottom 6 over pretty much anyone and he's an energy guy, too. Thoughts?

Is that the guy from the Godfather???

 

[GOilers88]

Are people actually upset that we didnt get

Timothy Liljegren​

Or

Oli Matta

?

Like actually?

A couple of players around the league were dealt. None of them to Edmonton.

This means Oilers management isn't looking at any players around the league and isn't trying to improve the team. It means they're waiting right up until the TDL to try and make a splash and are content to try and piss away a season.