Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX
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Malkinstheman
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What other ways are there though? You are either getting trash like Gryz in FA or paying minimal assets for under 25 players.
Doesnt seem like theres much potential there to extract tbh. Already 26 and hasnt done much during his NHL tenure. Seems like a 7th D at most
Empoleon8771
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Because young players with upside could grow and offer more value than what you paid for them, while bad players are just bad players.
Empoleon8771
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Yeah Liljegren is the exact mold in which I'm thinking of, and the price the Sharks paid to get him is exactly what I'd want to be paying for that.
With Karlsson almost assuredly getting traded next summer, they're going to need someone to step into that role. I'd rather roll the dice with a younger guy like Liljegren or Fabbro if they can trade for one of them.
Two guys that make sense as options that can fill that are Barron from Montreal and Spence from LA, but I'm not a huge fan of Spence because he's pretty small for a defenseman.
Big Friggin Dummy
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The only real issue with "get player, increase value, flip for profit" is that Sullivan's extremely finicky as to who he will give opportunity and leash to, and it's usually not guys who you acquire for cheap and try to pump up their value with an increased role/production.
A guy like Tomasino is fine because of his pedigree and a a 4th liner is basically absolutely worthless.
But yeah, fire Sullivan. Then I'm all for trying to get guys to increase value on to flip for better draft capital.
A guy like Tomasino is fine because of his pedigree and a a 4th liner is basically absolutely worthless.
But yeah, fire Sullivan. Then I'm all for trying to get guys to increase value on to flip for better draft capital.
Empoleon8771
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I think Barron from Montreal fits this as a guy with pedigree that would get a chance due to it. The Penguins are playing Shea as their 3rd pair RD and I'm pretty certain they don't want to be doing that. It's just a question of what Montreal would want for him in a trade, they're pretty stock full of draft picks.
BusinessGoose
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You think it'll matter, though?
If some dude looks okay in the next few years, are we re-signing them at inflated prices, or are we losing them anyway, or getting a "better" draft pick that we already have right now cause we suck?
I don't think we're competing within 5 years right now. What you're suggesting is short term high risk moves for a team that isn't going to be making noise until mid or long term. Might as well just use those draft picks ourselves and sign a bunch of shit for the next three years and try to congeal then.
Reclamation reaches should be the final tuning on a team that is operating well, not step one..?
Empoleon8771
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How is what I'm suggesting a short term high risk move? Trading a 3rd rounder for someone like Liljegren is almost the exact opposite of a risky move. A huge majority of 3rd rounders don't even reach the NHL.
This team trading a 1st rounder right now is a high risk move. But trading a 3rd? You can get 3 3rds every deadline by just signing guys like Beauvillier, Grzelcyk and Nedjelkovic every off-season and trading them as rentals.
Big Friggin Dummy
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I pretty much wouldn't part with a 1st or even really a 2nd unless it was a can't miss deal for someone that's gonna be an impact player for a decade. As far as 3rd rounders and onwards go, f*** it. Go nuts.
Empoleon8771
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Yeah like they got a free 3rd rounder to take on Cody Glass last off-season and I would have been happy to just get him for free. Picks after round 2 are just scratch off lottery tickets.
If Lizzo keeps producing at a .67 clip, he might bring some offers Doobie can't refuse. Manageable cap hit for another year. Played a lil 3C in LA. Of course he'll probably be castrated by Sully before the deadline too.
Freeptop
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Given how things have gone against the Rangers in recent times, Trouba headhunting players the Pens want to trade would have had more of an impact on the Pens' future than any potential to take advantage of his poor defense.
Spending very moderate amounts on possible high potential players is... well, it's in every NHL team's playbook, but it's in rebuilding teams' playbooks even more than the good ones. Good ones still like bargains to fill out depth, but need a lot more in terms of guaranteed performance and do actually have to count the picks they're spending because they're spending so much. Bad ones that are bringing in a lot of picks are well advised to gamble on it because after a bit, using all of them at the draft blocks up the process.
OtherThingsILike
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Tomasino is a reclamation project and is working out right now. Maybe it's just a small sample size and he'll fall back to earth, but what if he doesn't?
Le Magnifique 66
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The guy is playing so well right now it's probably not even on KD mind IMO. He brings a shit load of energy to the team and is turning 27 this week. He is the kind of player that's just more valuable to a team than what a return would be. Right now, unless we get a gross overpaying offer, I'd keep him to be honest.
Empoleon8771
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Not only that, but you only have a limited amount of roster spots in both the NHL and AHL that can be focused on developing players. If you have like 12 picks in a draft and all of them break into the AHL at the same time, will you even have the roster spots for them to be able to play?
Even with the limited amount of picks the Penguins have had in recent years, they're already running into issues with needing to play AHL caliber prospects in the ECHL. Murashov and Gauthier are the 2 obvious ones, but Houde, Lindgren and Calvert are arguably in that group as well. It's not surprising to see that Wheeling is 14-3-1 this year, they have numerous young guys who probably should be in the AHL rather than ECHL.
If you have the opportunity to swap a 3rd or 4th for a young NHLer to gamble to see if he has more upside, you do that regardless of what situation your team is in.
That was the point I was making with blocking up the process. Although to a certain extent, bringing extra guys into the org now is doing that a bit too.
Empoleon8771
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After the Penguins trade Pettersson, I'd like for them to explore the market for a LD to replace him on the depth chart. Between Grzelcyk also assuredly being traded and Graves just being terrible, I really don't like their LD outside of Pickering.
Someone I think could make a lot of sense: Nicolas Hague. He has been demoted to Vegas' 3rd pair after they acquired Hanifin, now their top-4 D is all locked up long-term (Hanifin-Pietrangelo and McNabb-Theodore) and Hague is a RFA after the year. I wonder if you could do something around Grzelcyk and a pick/prospect for Hague, it's a fairly close salary swap and adds a guy to replace Hague on the depth chart.
I threw out Grzelcyk, O'Connor and the Penguins highest 3rd for Hague on the main boards. I'm inclined to feel that isn't enough, but I'm just not sure what the Penguins could offer that would make sense.
Someone I think could make a lot of sense: Nicolas Hague. He has been demoted to Vegas' 3rd pair after they acquired Hanifin, now their top-4 D is all locked up long-term (Hanifin-Pietrangelo and McNabb-Theodore) and Hague is a RFA after the year. I wonder if you could do something around Grzelcyk and a pick/prospect for Hague, it's a fairly close salary swap and adds a guy to replace Hague on the depth chart.
I threw out Grzelcyk, O'Connor and the Penguins highest 3rd for Hague on the main boards. I'm inclined to feel that isn't enough, but I'm just not sure what the Penguins could offer that would make sense.
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Malkinstheman
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Robertson is having a brutal season with the leafs so far and was scratched last night. Dont know if the Leafs would deal with Dubas but I wouldnt mind throwing a 4th for him
Eh, 27 and he is a valuable player with a decent cap hit which is the same next year. He's shown to be capable of 3C, at least for stretches, here and in LA. Since we're not winning anything in the next many years, he'd be more valuable bringing in assets towards the rebuild. Especially since they keep dragging their feet on actually rebuilding. He'll be almost 30 by the time Sid hangs them up. You could probably get a 2nd plus.
Le Magnifique 66
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While I agree, my point is a player like this is usually traded for a future pick, like 4th 5th or a player that's been drafted 5 years ago and is a career AHLer. So for me, I'd rather keep him in our bottom 6 as he is a good teammate and a really hard working guy that you want younger players around. Just my 2 cents.
If we are talking 2nd or better, then ya I'm listening
Gurglesons
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I don't think you're getting Hague for anything less than a 2nd potentially more.
Empoleon8771
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I posted similar on the main board, if they had a late 2nd I’d say Grzelcyk, O’Connor and a 2nd for Hague seems reasonable.
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