Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Zbynek]

Love how the WBS commentator learned perfect Finnish pronunciation only for Mike Sullivan to take a huge steaming dump on JP once up with the big club.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Love how the WBS commentator learned perfect Finnish pronunciation only for Mike Sullivan to take a huge steaming dump on JP once up with the big club.

He's from Europe or something and not the USA. Is he even really a person?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

There's a lot to be puzzled and annoyed about with Sullivan but his refusal to utilize a player pretty much tailor made to be successful in a Sullivan system (Puljujarvi) is f***ing insane to me. It makes me wonder whether there's any truth behind the "Sullivan doesn't like/trust European players" memes.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I like DOC but I'd totally trade him for someone of similar ilk but younger (and a pick?).

What can we send him to Nashville for? Zachary L'Heureux and a 2nd?

 

[SEALBound]

Nieto shouldn't be playing on the team. We are on a 4 game-win streak, so I do not want to mess with the lineup, but Hayes-Acciari-Puljujarvi is a better line than Nieto-Acciari-Hayes. The current 4th line is the thesis statement as to what is wrong with the team.

That depends. Is O'Connor an established veteran? No. His time as an established NHLer has not been long. But his upside has all but plateaued now. He is what he is and is not going to become a top-six forward option all of a sudden. He is not a guy you commit to, but he is definitely the type of guy Mike Sullivan wants to commit to. If you kill penalties, you are in the "club."

I mean, this is his 2nd full season. He had two half seasons before that. While I agree that he's not a veteran, he's certainly not a prospect. I would say he's an established NHL player at this point. Totally agree that he seems to be plateauing but I'm not so sure that's a bad thing necessarily. You need good bottom 6 players. He can do top 6 duty if needed and, as you point out, he PKs so there's certainly room for him here.

O'Connor:

1. Can play center as well as either wing
2. Plays in all situations including the PP and PK
3. Is only under contract for this year so there aren't any long-term concerns with his deal.

Would I bet he gets a 2nd? Absolutely not, but crazier things have happened. O'Connor is probably only bringing back a 3rd as well, but a 2nd due to his small cap hit wouldn't be that surprising.

I think he might be a guy you add to a deal with Pettersson to go from a 2nd to a 1st.

Like if it's Vancouver - Pettersson+DOC for Pettersson+1st+4th. Something like that. Would stink to lose him but hardly the end of the world with guys like McGroarty, Puljujarvi, Pono, etc available.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Even basement dwellers with low expectations are firing their coach

 

[vodeni]

Hard to get too busted up about not changing the line-up after winning 4 in a row, even if the 4th line does suck.

This is exactly what gets me busted up. Being so stupid to refuse to improve

 

[Turin]

DOC, Hoglander, who gives a shit. Start selling and play people under the age of 27.

Both those guys are under the age of 27

We need a general offday thread so Salary Cap doesn't get clogged with people complaining about Matt Nieto.

 

[BusinessGoose]

If HOG is anywhere near an equal to DOC, no f***ing thanks. I'll keep the cap savings

 

[Gurglesons]

If HOG is anywhere near an equal to DOC, no f***ing thanks. I'll keep the cap savings

HOG is a HF poster.

 

[BusinessGoose]

HOG is a HF poster.

.. Plus isn't he taking a nap until sullivan is fired, or something?

 

[Gurglesons]

I, uh, don't think DOC's some hot commodity who is going to be picking from several offers this summer or anything. He's a dork ass nobody and this coach gives him a permanent roster spot. If the Pens don't trade him and they extend an offer to him this summer, why wouldn't he simply re-sign?

He's 97th percentile in terms of speed bursts over 20 mph.

He's 6-3 and 200 pounds and great on the forecheck.

He costs 925k and can play all situations and all forward positions.

And has produced around 15 goal and 33 pts per season over this year and last.

So, he's fast, big, can chip in production, PK, PP, whatever you need.

He's an ideal target for a playoff team and it makes a ton of sense why there would be a lot of interest around him.

Perfect piece that goes on to have a 5 goal 12 point playoff run on a team that makes the finals.

Barclay Goodrow profiled very similar and returned a 1st. Granted he an additional year at 925k.

 

[Ulf5]

HOG is a HF poster.

HOG, DOC, Tang @ 50% for Hog, Soucy and a 2030 3rd!!!

 

[Sideline]

He's 97th percentile in terms of speed bursts over 20 mph.

He's 6-3 and 200 pounds and great on the forecheck.

He costs 925k and can play all situations and all forward positions.

And has produced around 15 goal and 33 pts per season over this year and last.

So, he's fast, big, can chip in production, PK, PP, whatever you need.

He's an ideal target for a playoff team and it makes a ton of sense why there would be a lot of interest around him.

Perfect piece that goes on to have a 5 goal 12 point playoff run on a team that makes the finals.

And exactly the kind of guy you can get for a pick at the deadline in 2034 when someone like him will be a difference maker for the Penguins.

He'll get more than he's worth on July 1 and I hope some other team is paying him.

 

[Gurglesons]

And exactly the kind of guy you can get for a pick at the deadline in 2034 when someone like him will be a difference maker for the Penguins.

He'll get more than he's worth on July 1 and I hope some other team is paying him.

Like I said, there is no reason he should be here after the deadline.

But, acting like he is a nothing burger is weird.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Friedman says Pens interest in Hoglander is legitimate

Also says we have buyers on OC

I'll be honest. I don't understand the massive appeal of Hoglander that the Pens seem to have. He's just not this needle-mover to me that would make any sort of noticeable difference out there.

Just seems like yet another middle six winger that we already have plenty of.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'll be honest. I don't understand the massive appeal of Hoglander that the Pens seem to have. He's just not this needle-mover to me that would make any sort of noticeable difference out there.

Just seems like yet another middle six winger that we already have plenty of.

Undersized, skill forward, "we can fix him".

Seems like what Dubas goes for every day.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'll be honest. I don't understand the massive appeal of Hoglander that the Pens seem to have. He's just not this needle-mover to me that would make any sort of noticeable difference out there.

Just seems like yet another middle six winger that we already have plenty of.

Honestly do they have that at this point? It's really just Bunting, Rakell and Rust at this point, with O'Connor probably being on the fringes of that.

I don't think Hoglander is anything amazing, but if the cost is St. Ivany and a 2025 3rd, what's the issue there? I don't really have any problems with that.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hoglander seems to score more in the bottom six than the top six looking over the line combinations he's found himself in the last couple of seasons.

He's also played with some pretty terrific players and not done a lot.

Not really sure what to do with that information except to say it sounds worth about a 3rd round pick, maybe.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This may not reflect how the team would intend to use him, but I think adding Hoglander is very similar to adding Tomasino but with Hoglander being more focused as a 3rd line addition. He's a guy that should be fairly cheap to acquire and has upside to be worth more down the line than now. He's not going to suddenly make this team a top contender, but if he can be a 20 goal scorer on L3 you can likely get very good value for him in the future.

I put Glass, Tomasino and Hoglander all in the same category and I want Dubas to continue adding more and more of those guys. Especially considering they usually only cost a 3rd or 4th and you can easily recover that pick by trading rentals at the deadline.

IMO they should be trading Bunting, Rust and Rakell for futures while trying to bring in as many prospects and young reclamation types to play around Crosby and Malkin as possible. If you can hit on one, either make them a core player or sell them off for a ridiculous Hagel type of return.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Honestly do they have that at this point? It's really just Bunting, Rakell and Rust at this point, with O'Connor probably being on the fringes of that.

I don't think Hoglander is anything amazing, but if the cost is St. Ivany and a 2025 3rd, what's the issue there? I don't really have any problems with that.

I don't know if Hoglander's all that much of an upgrade over a DOC or that sort of player. We need more actual legitimate top line players, not just add some more guys who may get 40-ish points in a middle six role.

And it's not even the cost. I'm not going to lose my mind over a 3rd for Hoglander or whatever. I just don't see him actually changing anything about the club. IMO, at this point you only add if it's an actual game changer/impact maker. I don't think we're in a position where you add "depth". That's what contenders do when they just want to flesh out their depth. That's not what low end teams should be doing.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I don't know if Hoglander's all that much of an upgrade over a DOC or that sort of player. We need more actual legitimate top line players, not just add some more guys who may get 40-ish points in a middle six role.

And it's not even the cost. I'm not going to lose my mind over a 3rd for Hoglander or whatever. I just don't see him actually changing anything about the club. IMO, at this point you only add if it's an actual game changer/impact maker. I don't think we're in a position where you add "depth". That's what contenders do when they just want to flesh out their depth. That's not what low end teams should be doing.

This team is not going to add any impact top six players probably the rest of this era if I had to guess.

Shit man they wouldn't even do it years back when the team was still technically within their window.

I've given up that dream. Soon enough Sid/G probably won't even have the thoroughly mediocre help of Rust, Raks, Bunting etc.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know if Hoglander's all that much of an upgrade over a DOC or that sort of player. We need more actual legitimate top line players, not just add some more guys who may get 40-ish points in a middle six role.

And it's not even the cost. I'm not going to lose my mind over a 3rd for Hoglander or whatever. I just don't see him actually changing anything about the club. IMO, at this point you only add if it's an actual game changer/impact maker. I don't think we're in a position where you add "depth". That's what contenders do when they just want to flesh out their depth. That's not what low end teams should be doing.

The goal of acquiring Hoglander would be to buy low now and sell high down the line when the team is in a complete tear down move, in hopes you can get assets later to help you get those core players.

There is no point in spending legitimate assets to improve this team today, they're cooked. Trading minimal assets for young players that will hopefully have more value down the line is what they should be doing if they're adding to the NHL roster.

 

[Ugene Magic]

The goal of acquiring Hoglander would be to buy low now and sell high down the line when the team is in a complete tear down move, in hopes you can get assets later to help you get those core players.

There is no point in spending legitimate assets to improve this team today, they're cooked. Trading minimal assets for young players that will hopefully have more value down the line is what they should be doing if they're adding to the NHL roster.

He overachieved on a pretty good Canuck team; do you really think he's going to do the same on a team like the Pens to drive up his value? Remember, he's going to come with a 3.0 cap for 3 years.

Basically, another possible contract to either buyout or retain on.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If that's overachieving then I DEFINITELY want no part of him unless it's rock bottom, bargain bin discount prices.