Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[eXile3]

This is why our development system is shit. Focus on what is bad not good.

Lengthy and candid? He didn’t say anything.

 

[Andy99]

This is why this team is shit lol…this is from Kaplan’s ESPN’s story about how USA’s 4 Nations team came together…he’s still spouting the same shit from 2016 and can’t get over himself and doesn’t even realize the players he has…lol

“Sullivan wants the team to play a speed game. That doesn't necessarily mean just skating; speed to Sullivan also means ability to move the puck quickly and change the point of attack.”

'The biggest thing was hockey sense and versatility': Inside Team USA's 4 Nations roster selection process

With a talent pool as rich as any country's, GM Bill Guerin had many difficult decisions. Here's the inside scoop on his thought process.

www.espn.com

 

[Andy99]

lol…no changes…

 

[BusinessGoose]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Lol

 

[Darren McCord]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Lol

Nieto has been broke since he got back into the lineup

 

[McGroarty2]

Nieto sucks. 4th line should be a rotation of Glass, Gruden, Acciari and Hayes. Nieto to WBS or traded.

Gruden Glass Acciari
Hayes

 

[vodeni]

Nieto sucks. 4th line should be a rotation of Glass, Gruden, Acciari and Hayes. Nieto to WBS or traded.

Gruden Glass Acciari
Hayes

Well, the same line up for tomorrow, he does not want to change the team that won the last game, although the 4th line is obviously trash to everyone, they are major defensive liability, sucks offensively , but sticktoitivness is the way to go. Gosh I can’t wait until he is gone.

lol…no changes…

I really thought this may be the time he changes the lineup after the win cause we sucked so badly in that win, but no, have to put the warriors of L4 out there, so they can get demolished over and over again

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Hard to get too busted up about not changing the line-up after winning 4 in a row, even if the 4th line does suck.

 

[Malkinstheman]

In 9 years I don't know if Sullivan has ever changed the lineup after a win (other than injuries). Don't expect that 4th line to change until they go on a losing streak again

 

[Randy Butternubs]

In 9 years I don't know if Sullivan has ever changed the lineup after a win (other than injuries). Don't expect that 4th line to change until they go on a losing streak again

I'm vaguely recalling someone being scratched after scoring two goals in a win?

 

[Malkinstheman]

I'm vaguely recalling someone being scratched after scoring two goals in a win?

Wait really? Disregard what I said then . I guess not scratching anyone after a win only applied to Sullivan's pets

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'm vaguely recalling someone being scratched after scoring two goals in a win?

Hmmmm... Kapanen? lol

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Wait really? Disregard what I said then . I guess not scratching anyone after a win only applied to Sullivan's pets

Hmmmm... Kapanen? lol

My memory is fuzzy on that. Could be wrong but there was a situation like that fairly recently, I think?

Maybe it was ERod? Sounds like a Kapanen thing too. Maybe Nylander...?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Couldn't be Nylander. He only ever scored one goal here haha

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Lol

More like,

"If it's broke, why bother fixing it"

 

[SEALBound]

This is why our development system is shit. Focus on what is bad not good.

JSI doesn't play good so they take out of the lineup. Instead of having him sit, they send him to WBS where he can get top pairing minutes against reduced talent to get his game back.

What about this is bad? What is the solution? To continue putting a struggling player in a position to fail?

lol…no changes…

They've won 4 straight. I can't imagine they would make any changes.

What changes should they make?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Friedman says Pens interest in Hoglander is legitimate

Also says we have buyers on OC

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Friedman says Pens interest in Hoglander is legitimate

Also says we have buyers on OC

Well Hoglander's an upgrade on DOC at least.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Tbh I think I'd rather keep O'Connor but in the end it doesn't matter. If you can get a 2nd for O'Connor you trade him in a millisecond.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Hoglander just seems destined to be a Pen. As long as the price isn't much more than Tomasino, it's a worthwhile gamble.

 

[Gurglesons]

Highlander just seems destined to be a Pen. As long as the price isn't much more than Tomasino, it's a worthwhile gamble.

There can be only one.

JSI doesn't play good so they take out of the lineup. Instead of having him sit, they send him to WBS where he can get top pairing minutes against reduced talent to get his game back.

What about this is bad? What is the solution? To continue putting a struggling player in a position to fail?

They've won 4 straight. I can't imagine they would make any changes.

What changes should they make?

Read the quote. Our coach is a joke that is what is bad.

 

[SEALBound]

I'm actually quite torn on DOC. On paper and on the ice, he's exactly what we should be collecting - young, fast, some grit. But it's not translating into any production. Like in order for him to be paired with Geno and Tomasino, he needs to start putting the puck in the net.

Now last year, I pointed out that Rakell did a lot of stuff in the play that often lead to the development of the goal. He was just not one of the last two guys that touched the puck. So not every contribution produced points. So I'm starting to focus a bit more on that with DOC in recent games to determine if he's someone we should keep or move on from.

Might come down to price. If someone wants to give us a 2nd, I'll pack his bags for him. 3rd? Meh. 4th or lower, nah I'd rather keep him.

 

[Sideline]

Highlander just seems destined to be a Pen. As long as the price isn't much more than Tomasino, it's a worthwhile gamble.

I've been low on Hoglander, but I'd accept him if it was for a 4th.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm not entirely sold on Hoglander being anything more than bottom-6 fodder, or maybe a third wheel with Geno and Tomasino, but DOC is hot garbage. If someone's offering a 2nd, you try your best to stop laughing long enough to file the paperwork, then go back to laughing hysterically.

-edit- I should clarify, DOC's hot garbage in a top-9 role. He's a whatever 4th liner. He just simply doesn't have the ability with the puck on his stick to be a threat to score or be able to distribute the puck to his better linemates once he's gotten it on the forecheck or in a puck battle. /shrug

 

[Sideline]

I'm actually quite torn on DOC. On paper and on the ice, he's exactly what we should be collecting - young, fast, some grit. But it's not translating into any production. Like in order for him to be paired with Geno and Tomasino, he needs to start putting the puck in the net.

Now last year, I pointed out that Rakell did a lot of stuff in the play that often lead to the development of the goal. He was just not one of the last two guys that touched the puck. So not every contribution produced points. So I'm starting to focus a bit more on that with DOC in recent games to determine if he's someone we should keep or move on from.

Might come down to price. If someone wants to give us a 2nd, I'll pack his bags for him. 3rd? Meh. 4th or lower, nah I'd rather keep him.

DOC isn't really young. 27 in June means he's basically mid career for a bottom 6 guy.