Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

[Ryder71]

Not retaining 5 years on Jarry!



He’s having a good year and we know it’s not gonna last lol…

I was talking of Jake, I thought you were talking bout Jake, sorry got a bit over enthused, but yes Jake will bring us moooollaahhhhhh (assets)

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Elliott Friedman is a f*** stick.

 

[Ryder71]

Just to set the scene, the bidding war for Jake has already reached epic proportion!, Just hope Kyle extracts the very best value possible! This is your moment My friend, seize it!

 

[Empoleon8771]

On Karlsson to Ottawa, I actually think there is a workable deal there that could be done: Karlsson for Chabot. The Senators are much deeper on LD than RD, they currently have Chychrun on the 3rd pair due to Sanderson and Chabot on LD. The Senators would instead have this top-4:

Sanderson-Karlsson
Chychrun-Zub

From the Penguins side, they get a prime aged, cost controlled top-4 LD that could allow them to trade Pettersson for more futures. You're downgrading from Karlsson to Chabot but you're getting a good bit younger. The big concern I have with Chabot is his injury history, the dude gets hurt a lot.

Do I think that deal is at all realistic? Of course not, but I don't think it takes a lot of thinking to see how Karlsson for Chabot could make sense.

 

[Ryder71]

EK is considered part of the core according to Dubas, so I think it would take a lot to move him along.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

On Karlsson to Ottawa, I actually think there is a workable deal there that could be done: Karlsson for Chabot. The Senators are much deeper on LD than RD, they currently have Chychrun on the 3rd pair due to Sanderson and Chabot on LD. The Senators would instead have this top-4:

Sanderson-Karlsson
Chychrun-Zub

From the Penguins side, they get a prime aged, cost controlled top-4 LD that could allow them to trade Pettersson for more futures. You're downgrading from Karlsson to Chabot but you're getting a good bit younger. The big concern I have with Chabot is his injury history, the dude gets hurt a lot.

Do I think that deal is at all realistic? Of course not, but I don't think it takes a lot of thinking to see how Karlsson for Chabot could make sense.

Part of me hates the shit out of the idea of giving up on a player like EK already.

But an increasingly louder part of me understands that Mike Sullivan is the forever-coach and in this system you aren't profiting much off of dynamic defensemen to help drive the offense. So what's the point?

 

[Ryder71]

Part of me hates the shit out of the idea of giving up on a player like EK already.

But an increasingly louder part of me understands that Mike Sullivan is the forever-coach and in this system you aren't profiting much off of dynamic defensemen to help drive the play that direction. So what's the point?

Point is Dubas declared him to be part of the core, so barring a ridiculous return, discussion over.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Point is Dubas declared him as part of the core, so barring a ridiculous return, discussion over.

Thanks but we'll talk about whatever we want within the confines of the rules and you can carry on doing whatever it is you do, hall monitor.

 

[SEALBound]

I think the Jarry discussion centers around - what do we REALLY need in, what futures could we get, and are those futures more helpful to us in near-long term than keeping Jarry.

While Jarry has been great on some nights, he's single-handedly lost games for us on others. There is a MAJOR gap in the goalie market where solid goaltenders for reasonable prices just aren't available. If we don't think we are cup contenders for a 2-3 years, maybe moving Jarry and getting a major piece back wouldn't be the worst thing. I wish we'd seen what Blomqvist could do and I wish I had a better idea of what Murashov is thinking as well.

So yeah, send Jarry out, resign Nedelkovich, and either bring up Blomqvist or sign someone like Kaakonen or Pickard or even CDS and run a tandem. With scoring on the rise, I think you only need goalies that are "good enough". Certainly enough to bridge the gap until Blomqvist and/or Murashov is ready.

That said, Edmonton is on the hunt, NJ obviously is, Carolina wants an upgrade. I mean, the market would be there if they wanted. I think NJ or CAR could give us a premium asset. I'm honestly wondering if we couldn't get someone like Mercer or Holtz or Necas.

Jarry for Mercer+Vanacek
Jarry for Necas+Anderson

While we may not think of goalies of having THAT much value, I say - Jarry helps both of those teams win now which is the mode they are in, he fits the age group of both, and BOTH teams have enough young assets to fill the gap. NJ has Holtz, Stillman; Carolina has Drury, Seth Jarvis. You have to give to get and this could be a good get for us. We could even add Poulin to the deal to replace either.

The more I think, the more I believe Jake will end up in Vegas. They have the need, the space, and the draft capital we would want. 2025 1st, Edstrom, 2024 3rd. You could even do a mega-trade with NJ if they wanted Pettersson too: Jarry+Pettersson for Mercer+Bahl+Vancek+1st

I think Reilly Smith to Florida does make a bit of sense too. They have the space and the need. I would also love to send them Acciari due to familiarity. Smith+Acciari for 2025 2nd+ 2024 4rd

Rakell-Sid-Rust
DOC-Malkin-Mercer
Bemstrom-Eller-Puustinen
Harkins-Carter-Puljujarvi (because who cares)

Bahl-Letang
Graves-EK
POJ-Rudwedel

Neds-Vanacek

We can ride out the year on that. There are a couple LD coming up in FA that we can target. Then I would loo into acquiring a good young RFA that could become a cap casualty like maybe Grunstrom from LA. Then maybe try the EK to Ottawa in the off-season. Could make it simple as I said earlier going EK for Chychrun+Mattieu or you could do something like Norris+ for EK+ as the base. Try to do something like Norris+Chychrun for EK+Yager

Rakell-Sid-Malkin
Mercer-Norris-Rust
DOC-Poulin-Puustinen
Nieto-Eller-XXXX

Bahl-Letang
Graves-Chychrun
POJ-XXXX

Just messing around NHL24 style.

 

[Ryder71]

Thanks but we'll talk about whatever we want within the confines of the rules and you can carry on doing whatever it is you do, hall monitor.

Wow! That's telling me! lol

Well, sure you can talk about it. You could also talk about the Pens trying to get Mackinnon or McDavid. Feel free.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Wow! That's telling me! lol

Well, sure you can talk about it. You could also talk about the Pens trying to get Mackinnon or McDavid. Feel free.

Um. Erik Karlsson wanted to be on a winner and this team is unlikely to make the playoffs. He just got here and is not tied down in any way. He also knows that he will be more affordable given the double retention from SJS and Pittsburgh.

Dubas' can posture all he wants about Karlsson = core but it isn't remotely believable.

 

[Ryder71]

Um. Erik Karlsson wanted to be on a winner and this team is unlikely to make the playoffs. He just got here and is not tied down in any way. He also knows that he will be more affordable given the double retention from SJS and Pittsburgh.

Dubas' can posture all he wants about Karlsson = core but it isn't remotely believable.

It absolutely is believable. And hey I'd love to get a haul for EK, but his onerous cap hit and him having all the control he does with his NMC makes it very daunting. Beyond that You have a chance to sell off Jake for a big return. His focus should be on something that actually has a huge chance of happening.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Hai guys have we traded Jake Guentzel for Justin Fields yet?

When we've now reached the point where we are even considering trading an elite tier player who SHOULD be the answer to some of our team's glaring PP issues solely because the coach doesn't know how to actually use him and we know the coach is embedded....well that is a dill pickle indeed.

 

[SEALBound]

EK is considered part of the core according to Dubas, so I think it would take a lot to move him along.

I think EK wants to win. If Dubas hints around at a rebuild, EK may be more amendable to the trade. Question is, is Ottawa "closer" than we are? I think changes are coming to Ottawa. This could be a hell of a splash. EK on the OTT PP right now would be sick.

 

[Ryder71]

I think EK wants to win. If Dubas hints around at a rebuild, EK may be more amendable to the trade. Question is, is Ottawa "closer" than we are? I think changes are coming to Ottawa. This could be a hell of a splash. EK on the OTT PP right now would be sick.

Didn't we believe EK on the PIT PP would be sick also?

 

[Ryder71]

EK helps sell tickets here, he's another generational player, SERIOUSLY doubt he gets moved. But hey IF we get a good return I'd like to see it. I'm not against moving him, I just see it as close to unrealistic as you can get. The pragmatist in me sees it as just a notch below a pipe dream.

 

[SEALBound]

Didn't we believe EK on the PIT PP would be sick also?

Fair but I actually like watching Ottawa run their PP despite huge success. They are ahead of us but that's obviously a low bar.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Didn't we believe EK on the PIT PP would be sick also?

We were totally incorrect, and Sharks fans tried to warn us. Look at the Sharks PP stats for years, it is clear the guy does not know what he is doing on the PP. His passes to nowhere confirm this.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Part of me hates the shit out of the idea of giving up on a player like EK already.

But an increasingly louder part of me understands that Mike Sullivan is the forever-coach and in this system you aren't profiting much off of dynamic defensemen to help drive the offense. So what's the point?

This is my whole logic for trading him, incidentally. I know we're stuck with Sullivan and Sullivan cannot figure out how to use a first ballot HHOF offensive defenseman and reigning Norris winner, so might as well trade him to a contender that will pay us for it and spare him the agony.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I doubt the team gets anything worthwhile in exchange for Karlsson. It's probably gonna be heavy retention by Dubas and/or a bad contract coming back. I'd be happy with a late 1st and whatever prospect tbh.

 

[ChaosAgent]

It absolutely is believable. And hey I'd love to get a haul for EK, but his onerous cap hit and him having all the control he does with his NMC makes it very daunting. Beyond that You have a chance to sell off Jake for a big return. His focus should be on something that actually has a huge chance of happening.

Of course he can do both.

But EK is not an instant plug and play guy so it may wait until the off-season.

 

[Ryder71]

Fair but I actually like watching Ottawa run their PP despite huge success. They are ahead of us but that's obviously a low bar.

Fair? I thought that was a great counterpoint by me and all you give me is, ''fair''? All anyone talked about here after getting EK was just how prolific our PP would be.

I deserve better than that. Such as: '' Ryder, you're on your game today my friend, I walked into that one''.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I like how this place has gone from "Tristan Jarry sucks, Dubas gave out a team killing contract by re-signing him" to now "Jarry's good and valuable, let's trade him for assets" in like 6 months

To be fair, that's pretty much the staying power of any goalie in the league these days.

Honestly, just sell everyone because we're just going to rebuild the roster in a new-but-really-the-same way to make sure that Headcoach Jack Adams here can make the same mistakes with an entirely new cast of characters for the 4th time.

 

[Turin]

Pens aren’t trading Karlsson. Friedman threw that musing out there to get more clicks.

 

[Pens x]

EK helps sell tickets here, he's another generational player, SERIOUSLY doubt he gets moved. But hey IF we get a good return I'd like to see it. I'm not against moving him, I just see it as close to unrealistic as you can get. The pragmatist in me sees it as just a notch below a pipe dream.

I dont think yinzers go to games to see EK