Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

[Freeptop]

This is actually kind of hilarious


Fortunately, now that he's a Penguin, there's no chance he's scoring 6 more goals this season.
(Now watch him manage to get 6 goals in his first game with the Pens, then not score the rest of the season).

 

[Pens x]

He’s listed as 6 feet - dude is going to be a giraffe compared to the other dips***s brought in by Dubas.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Nothing wrong with the move, let's see if he can turn things around

 

[Pens x]

Geno’s new winger

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'd be a little irritated about that condition on the pick were it about any other team than this one.

 

[Maninthebox87]

I don’t like that the pick can potentially turn into a third… I know nothing of this guy

 

[CBJWerenski8]

There’s hidden potential there. If you watch some of his SHL highlights you’ll see it. There’s something in there.

And worst case scenario, he won’t hurt you. He can do his job defensively

Good gamble for you guys and good luck

 

[Jacob]

6 goals in 28 games is a lot, that’s 18 in 82 games, so getting a young and cost-controlled guy that immediately provides middle-6 production for a 3rd seems reasonable.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is actually kind of hilarious


Fortunately, now that he's a Penguin, there's no chance he's scoring 6 more goals this season.
(Now watch him manage to get 6 goals in his first game with the Pens, then not score the rest of the season).

I actually think that's a super reasonable condition on the pick. If he ends up a dud, you didn't really give up anything for him. If he produces, it stinks to give up a 3rd but it very likely means you got a good middle-6 guy for a 3rd.

 

[The GM]

Bemstrom is a skilled winger with a big shot. Plays either wing. In a vacuum, good move. In a Mike Sullivan-led world, good luck Mr. Bemstrom! You are going to need it. Start watching YouTube highlights of Jansen Harkins (if you can find any). That is who you need to become.

On another note, let's not do something moronic like trade Erik Karlsson, ok? I know, his contract for his level of production is not good. But we all saw how good he can be when the Sens almost knocked us out of the playoffs a few years back. Yeah, he is not the player he used to be, but he is less than a year removed from 100-plus points. He is a coaching change away from getting back to respectable levels. Let's not mess that up. If not Sullivan, you have to think that Dubas could fire some assistants, no? I am on the keep Karlsson train, sorry. Our three legends are going to need his production, and so are our (eventual) kids.

Last point. Does anybody else find it ironic that the big three want to keep Sullivan at all cost (allegedly), yet they all witnessed (twice) what a coaching change can do for an organization (i.e. win a frickin' Stanley Cup!)? This is funny to me, though not the ha-ha variety.

Is he taller than 5’6”?

 

[Ryder71]

Good trade, IMO. Bemstrom has some upside (more so than Nylander).

Kyle, I knew there was something I liked about you, and let the horse trading begin. Great value here!

Geno’s new winger

But after he scores five goals you ice him! Don't wanna give up a 3rd, oh no no no.

 

[Ryder71]

6 goals in 28 games is a lot, that’s 18 in 82 games, so getting a young and cost-controlled guy that immediately provides middle-6 production for a 3rd seems reasonable.

It's even more reasonable that when he gets to five he sees the press box.

Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

I'm not going anywhere pal!

 

[The GM]

Does dubas have an Emil fetish?

 

[ChaosAgent]

On another note, let's not do something moronic like trade Erik Karlsson, ok? I know, his contract for his level of production is not good. But we all saw how good he can be when the Sens almost knocked us out of the playoffs a few years back. Yeah, he is not the player he used to be, but he is less than a year removed from 100-plus points. He is a coaching change away from getting back to respectable levels. Let's not mess that up. If not Sullivan, you have to think that Dubas could fire some assistants, no? I am on the keep Karlsson train, sorry. Our three legends are going to need his production, and so are our (eventual) kids.

Do you mean seven years ago?

If Karlsson wasn't dogshit as a PPQB I'd be all about keeping him. But he is a detriment 5-on-4. So his points are empty on the PP because he doesn't deserve to be out there.

We beat Montreal thanks to our goalie tonight, but we aren't good. Karlsson with retention is a good asset.

 

[ChaosAgent]

San Jose on the PP in 2022-2023: 25th
San Jose on the PP in 2023-2024: 24th

Wow EK65 is so impactful in a good way on the PP. Well I guess maybe Granlund is carrying the PP in the Bay, hah.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Jeez, the Oilers have a worse prospect pool than the Pens. There's not a single guy I would want from there. They'd have to give 1st + conditional 1st (WCF berth) + petrov + broberg to make it worth while. Lindholm was traded for a 1st, Kuzumenko and a way better prospect. In this scenario the Pens would retain 50% AND take back scenario so potentially 2 1sts doesn't sound unrealistic to me.

Holland is a shit GM and there will be alot of pressure to capatilize on this year. Might as well rob the guy.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Hypothetical trade popped up on NHL Tonight.

Guentzel to Edmonton with 50% retained for Warren Foegle, Beau Akey, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 3rd round pick.

Consensus was good framework, but that Pens would want someone closer to contributing than Akey, who is several years away though highly regarded.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hypothetical trade popped up on NHL Tonight.

Guentzel to Edmonton with 50% retained for Warren Foegle, Beau Akey, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 3rd round pick.

Consensus was good framework, but that Pens would want someone closer to contributing than Akey, who is several years away though highly regarded.

Edmonton is quite possibly the last team from a value standpoint I want to trade Jake to.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Hypothetical trade popped up on NHL Tonight.

Guentzel to Edmonton with 50% retained for Warren Foegle, Beau Akey, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 3rd round pick.

Consensus was good framework, but that Pens would want someone closer to contributing than Akey, who is several years away though highly regarded.

Edmonton doesn't have any "high end" prospects I'd want in return for Jake. I'm not really interested in getting depth guys and a late 1st round pick for Jake. That does very little for this team now or the future.

 

[Maninthebox87]

A thought I had this morning was would you consider the hypothetical Guentzel trade as more of a Jordan Staal trade”1st,nhl ready player and a prospect” or a Marian Hossa “1st rounder,high prospect “at the time was” and 2 nhl ready players”? I realize Hossa had some better numbers but I feel like Guentzel has to be one of the better wingers available at the deadline in awhile.

 

[Ulf5]

Dear kyle, when you are retooling on the fly, please bring back a Tomas Sandstrom. kthxbai.

 

[HandshakeLine]

This is actually kind of hilarious


Fortunately, now that he's a Penguin, there's no chance he's scoring 6 more goals this season.
(Now watch him manage to get 6 goals in his first game with the Pens, then not score the rest of the season).

This is exactly how it's going to pan out.

Do you mean seven years ago?

If Karlsson wasn't dogshit as a PPQB I'd be all about keeping him. But he is a detriment 5-on-4. So his points are empty on the PP because he doesn't deserve to be out there.

We beat Montreal thanks to our goalie tonight, but we aren't good. Karlsson with retention is a good asset.

I would absolutely trade Karlsson in a heartbeat and I've generally enjoyed watching him. He's just not fitting here when he's playing behind a top 6 with garbage wings and he's not allowed to play off the leash the best of his abilities.

I think the whole blueline as a whole should be dealt, it's just not gelling outside of say Petersson and (mostly) Letang.

 

[pistolpete11]

Hypothetical trade popped up on NHL Tonight.

Guentzel to Edmonton with 50% retained for Warren Foegle, Beau Akey, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 3rd round pick.

Consensus was good framework, but that Pens would want someone closer to contributing than Akey, who is several years away though highly regarded.

I don't think this is far away from what Meier got last year, though it's hard to tell exactly because there were so many pieces involved in that trade. I think if you added a few more minor pieces on both sides and the 3rd became a 2nd, that's the Meier trade.

I wouldn't be thrilled, but I'd accept it IF there is a handshake agreement with Jake to re-sign him in the offseason. Sounds like the Oilers won't be able to re-sign Jake anyway. If we're just saying goodbye to Jake, then it's more important to get quality than quantity.

I would absolutely trade Karlsson in a heartbeat and I've generally enjoyed watching him. He's just not fitting here when he's playing behind a top 6 with garbage wings and he's not allowed to play off the leash the best of his abilities.

I think the whole blueline as a whole should be dealt, it's just not gelling outside of say Petersson and (mostly) Letang.

It's really hard to get elite talent. I'd hate to get rid of some because of Mike f***ing Sullivan.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

"It's really hard to get elite talent. I'd hate to get rid of some because of Mike f***ing Sullivan."

Exactly! Pistolpete said it best. If Karlsson was an isolated case, then yeah OK. It did not work out, move on. But he is just one of the latest in a long line of good hockey players (and he happens to be great, not just good) who simply cannot play this style. How many players were acquired from outside the organization during the Mike Sullivan era whose numbers blossomed and whose play flourished? Now, how many went the other way? That second list is much much longer, and the names are bigger too. Yeah, he cannot produce with garbage top-six wingers. Agreed. So let's get better frickin' wingers!

Regarding the Oilers deal, Evander Kane is much more enticing than Warren Foegele. Yeah, there is baggage but he is the type of player this franchise desperately needs. Someone who does not always play nicey nice. Someone who actually rankles the opposition. And, the dude can also snipe.

Broberg, Kane, a first in 2025 (gotta keep an eye on this because we could easily be inside the bottom 10. We are currently there, although with games in hand I grant you. We need to have a first every year, if possible) and a prospect like Bourgault or Lavoie gets it done for me.

 

[gdsmack267]

Anyone know why Ryan Graves is being listed as a Boston Bruin on like 3 different sites team rosters?