Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

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Both Sully and Dubas are coming off as unlikeable twats. They have this superiority complex that they know everything and everyone else is wrong.

Not great traits to have in your leadership.

Pride goeth before the fall

Proverbs 16:18 In-Context

18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. 19 Better to be lowly in spirit along with the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. 20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,and blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD.
 
I'd be stunned if GMKD does NOT put in a waiver claim for Barre-Boulet.

Still young-ish, can play center, and has similar numbers to Phillips in the AHL and better numbers than him in the NHL.

But if Montreal picked up White, I doubt Barre-Boulet falls to us.

None of the above should be seen as an endorsement. Just my assumptions for how things play out the next 24 hours.

Pride goeth before the fall

Proverbs 16:18 In-Context

18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. 19 Better to be lowly in spirit along with the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. 20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,and blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD.
The older I get, the more import I see humility in myself, and the more I value it in others. This has nothing to do with hockey.
 
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The older I get, the more import I see humility in myself, and the more I value it in others. This has nothing to do with hockey.

Amen (pardon the pun). I was a real jackass at one point and thought I knew everything. Being older gives you more perspective and you can see when others are lacking self awareness.

If God happens to sling a lightning bolt towards Sully, I wouldn't be upset about it hahaha
 
Pride goeth before the fall

Proverbs 16:18 In-Context

18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. 19 Better to be lowly in spirit along with the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. 20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,and blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD.
My mother quoted that several times over years, I hear that. And agree.
 
I'd be stunned if GMKD does NOT put in a waiver claim for Barre-Boulet.

Still young-ish, can play center, and has similar numbers to Phillips in the AHL and better numbers than him in the NHL.

But if Montreal picked up White, I doubt Barre-Boulet falls to us.

None of the above should be seen as an endorsement. Just my assumptions for how things play out the next 24 hours.
Wait, what? Somebody claimed White?


Barre-Boulet is nearly 27 and has 18 points in 68 career NHL games. Certainly fits the bill of what they seem to be looking for to play along side Malkin.
 
blow it up

sad thing is we finally are getting decent goaltending but too late, team is done now.

2 years ago when jarry and desmith went out hurt we were the better team against the rangers, year before better team against the islanders and lost both due to goal tending. it's exactly why i was so pissed at the time because our aging core only had so many cracks left and our goal tending pissed away 2 times we might've made a splash at least.
 
It's a sad state of affairs when Craig Button gets it but the team doesn't.
Sullivan is the one that doesn't get it. I do think the top 6 is built well.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Geno-Rakell

is a VERY capable top 6 when all guys are playing well. Sometimes it's on the players. I blame no one for Smith and Rakell but Smith and Rakell.

The problem is Sullivan's idea that your bottom 6 needs to be Defense 1 and Defense 2. That structure caused Dubas to kill it out with defensive-minded personnel and low and behold, they can't provide the offense to make up for a completely lackluster powerplay.

Now Dubas is the GM and has ultimate say on the roster but coming in as the new guy, I'm sure he was more accepting of what Sullivan wanted.

It would be...troubling...if, after this year, they went back to the same structure next year.
Tanev is a right-shooting defenseman, not left. Most teams are looking for RD, but there will be some teams that miss out on Noah Hanifin that would definitely be in on Pettersson. If we could land someone like Mavrik Bourque and a first by them including someone like Ryan Suter, that would be too good to be true. B

But that is how we get younger. Even if it means accepting older contracts, the other assets could be worth it.

Another point about Pettersson: non-contending teams like Buffalo and Ottawa could be interested in a guy like him, too. Heck, we could offer him around the entire league. Everybody would have interest in him.

Your Vegas deal blows. Not nearly enough. We need much more than that for Guentzel, otherwise we keep him and offer him a contract.

The Oilers reportedly have decided not to pursue a goaltender.
Teams are looking for LD upgrades as well. Specifically, Dallas and the Avs (apparently). A couple of Avs guys expressed interest in Petts. I just have no idea how that fits.

I'd be stunned if GMKD does NOT put in a waiver claim for Barre-Boulet.

Still young-ish, can play center, and has similar numbers to Phillips in the AHL and better numbers than him in the NHL.

But if Montreal picked up White, I doubt Barre-Boulet falls to us.

None of the above should be seen as an endorsement. Just my assumptions for how things play out the next 24 hours.


The older I get, the more import I see humility in myself, and the more I value it in others. This has nothing to do with hockey.
Solid AHL player that can't translate to the NHL. We need him in WBS more than anything but I'm not going to panic if they do. I'd rather them use Zohorna, Poulin, or Hinostroza.
 
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If Jake and Smith go to Vegas Pens have so much cap space again. What to blow it on for Sullivan? need more "Sully type players" aka no offense only D.
 
Anyone think Edmonton would want Jarry?

Maybe even New Jersey.

Not that Jarry is a "problem" but seems like a lot of value there.
 
Anyone think Edmonton would want Jarry?

Maybe even New Jersey.

Not that Jarry is a "problem" but seems like a lot of value there.
If we are blowing the team up I don't really care where anyone goes if we get great returns.

...wont matter much with the coach we have...
 
If Jake and Smith go to Vegas Pens have so much cap space again. What to blow it on for Sullivan? need more "Sully type players" aka no offense only D.
Not all to Vegas but I think the 4 players that move out are Jake, Jarry, Smith, and Peterson. I’ve love Petts game for all season and has definitely shown what he is capable of. But you have to think you could get a haul for him how he has played at his cap hit and there is one more year of him? A contender would pay through the teeth for him. Smith he just wants out, bye. Jake as has been talked to death would be a huge return. And I also do not think Jarry’s value will ever be higher than it is now. If I had to pick my board of highly likely outgoing players that would be my board and I’d say at least 2-3 of those four will be traded least likely is Petts.
 
Not all to Vegas but I think the 4 players that move out are Jake, Jarry, Smith, and Peterson. I’ve love Petts game for all season and has definitely shown what he is capable of. But you have to think you could get a haul for him how he has played at his cap hit and there is one more year of him? A contender would pay through the teeth for him. Smith he just wants out, bye. Jake as has been talked to death would be a huge return. And I also do not think Jarry’s value will ever be higher than it is now. If I had to pick my board of highly likely outgoing players that would be my board and I’d say at least 2-3 of those four will be traded least likely is Petts.
Jake/Smith - Vegas
Petts - Avs
Jarry - Oilers or Devils
 
I think NJ is more desperate for a goalie than Edmonton. Assuming for are available for equal value, it would make the most logical sense to send Jarry to Edmonton and Saros to NJ, however, NJ has A LOT of attractive pieces.

Carolina is another that would want them and they have Necas and a slew of younger guys to take his place. Being alleviated of a 5yr deal for $5.75mil would be mighty nice.
 
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I think NJ is more desperate for a goalie than Edmonton. Assuming for are available for equal value, it would make the most logical sense to send Jarry to Edmonton and Saros to NJ, however, NJ has A LOT of attractive pieces.

Carolina is another that would want them and they have Necas and a slew of younger guys to take his place. Being alleviated of a 5yr deal for $5.75mil would be mighty nice.
Nobody will be a Pens goalie next season, not that we need one anymore as we should pull the plug.
 
Jake/Smith - Vegas
Petts - Avs
Jarry - Oilers or Devils

Haven't the Oilers said that they are not going to pursue a starting goalie (or perhaps even a backup) at this TDL, and are going to just roll with the shaky combo they've already got?

They don't have much to offer anyway as far as players go, aside from some former first-round picks who are busts (so far) but who their fans believe are worth their weight in gold (Broberg, Holloway).

We already have a smaller, weaker version of Broberg who was also a joke of a #1 pick and is also a bust. Maybe EDM would take POJ for Broberg just for a change of scenery? Very doubtful.

We also have a clone of Holloway here already (DOC), though our guy is a few years older; Holloway may still develop into something but he's not likely to ever be the next J.T. Miller or whatever delusional outcome those fans have imagined for Holloway.

Anyhow, they don't seem to be in the market for Jarry.
 
Haven't the Oilers said that they are not going to pursue a starting goalie (or perhaps even a backup) at this TDL, and are going to just roll with the shaky combo they've already got?

They don't have much to offer anyway as far as players go, aside from some former first-round picks who are busts (so far) but who their fans believe are worth their weight in gold (Broberg, Holloway).

We already have a smaller, weaker version of Broberg who was also a joke of a #1 pick and is also a bust. Maybe EDM would take POJ for Broberg just for a change of scenery? Very doubtful.

We also have a clone of Holloway here already (DOC), though our guy is a few years older; Holloway may still develop into something but he's not likely to ever be the next J.T. Miller or whatever delusional outcome those fans have imagined for Holloway.

Anyhow, they don't seem to be in the market for Jarry.
That's fine by me, Oilers aren't a team I look at where I go "I want that!" and I don't even follow them. I hope they lose in round 1 again and Drai doesn't re-sign there.
 
Nobody will be a Pens goalie next season, not that we need one anymore as we should pull the plug.
Resign Nedelkovich and then you can either bring up Blomqvist or see if MAF would come back for a year.

This coming off-season isn't as atrocious as last year with tandem level goalies:
Chris Driedger
Casey Desmith
Martin Jones
Calvin Pickard
Kaapo Kahkonen
MA Fleury
Ilya Samsonov

I think you could get quite a few of those guys cheaps. I wouldn't balk at bringing CDS back. Of that list Kahkonen would be my first choice. Give Neds 2mil for 3yr and Kahkonen $2mil for 1yr. Or Samsonov 1yr at $800k.

If either Neds or the other struggle, bring up Blomqvist.
 
Friedman with some Penguins thoughts in his column. Along with musing about Dubas' press conference, he included these nuggets:

1. If teams are allowed to try to extend Guentzel before a trade, that hurts Edmonton. They can’t do it. The Oilers are also very aware that for every dollar that comes in, someone needs to go out. So, they are doing legwork in several different directions.

2. Please recognize that this is manifesting purely in my head. But, as I watch Daniel Alfredsson on the bench in Ottawa, I can’t help but wonder if the Senators consider a Karlsson reunion. At least, brainstorm it. Yes, it’s complicated and yes, everyone would have to be on board. But no one mind-melds with Karlsson like Alfredsson, and, since it got into my head, I can’t stop thinking about the possibility of it.

3. Speaking of reunions, what does everyone think of Reilly Smith and Florida?

 
Resign Nedelkovich and then you can either bring up Blomqvist or see if MAF would come back for a year.

This coming off-season isn't as atrocious as last year with tandem level goalies:
Chris Driedger
Casey Desmith
Martin Jones
Calvin Pickard
Kaapo Kahkonen
MA Fleury
Ilya Samsonov

I think you could get quite a few of those guys cheaps. I wouldn't balk at bringing CDS back. Of that list Kahkonen would be my first choice. Give Neds 2mil for 3yr and Kahkonen $2mil for 1yr. Or Samsonov 1yr at $800k.

If either Neds or the other struggle, bring up Blomqvist.
A whole lot of MEH! Oh well, we are a bottom 10 team from here on out anyway, who needs a goalie.
 
Friedman with some Penguins thoughts in his column. Along with musing about Dubas' press conference, he included these nuggets:

1. If teams are allowed to try to extend Guentzel before a trade, that hurts Edmonton. They can’t do it. The Oilers are also very aware that for every dollar that comes in, someone needs to go out. So, they are doing legwork in several different directions.

2. Please recognize that this is manifesting purely in my head. But, as I watch Daniel Alfredsson on the bench in Ottawa, I can’t help but wonder if the Senators consider a Karlsson reunion. At least, brainstorm it. Yes, it’s complicated and yes, everyone would have to be on board. But no one mind-melds with Karlsson like Alfredsson, and, since it got into my head, I can’t stop thinking about the possibility of it.

3. Speaking of reunions, what does everyone think of Reilly Smith and Florida?

I don't see Jake to Edmonton happening. I think there is way too much work to be done and the players that they could move are not players they should be moving. I could see maybe Foegele out for cheap, Jake for 1st, 3rd, Holloway, and Petrov. But yeah, I think other teams have a leg up on Edmonton.

I would be willing to bet Dubas would be happy to facilitate a move back to Ottawa for Karlsson. I would try like hell to make it a blockbuster deal as well. Something like Jake to someone for Prospect, 1st, 3rd. Then send Karlsson, 1st, Poulin out for Chychrun+Norris. Or simplify it and make it Karlsson for Chychrun+Mattieu. They have the space to cover the extra $3mil.

Does Florida even need Smith? I wouldn't say no obviously.
A whole lot of MEH! Oh well, we are a bottom 10 team from here on out anyway, who needs a goalie.
I mean, look at all goalies this year. A lot of their stats are average. The cheaper cost would help us reallocate money elsewhere.
 
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Friedman with some Penguins thoughts in his column. Along with musing about Dubas' press conference, he included these nuggets:

1. If teams are allowed to try to extend Guentzel before a trade, that hurts Edmonton. They can’t do it. The Oilers are also very aware that for every dollar that comes in, someone needs to go out. So, they are doing legwork in several different directions.

2. Please recognize that this is manifesting purely in my head. But, as I watch Daniel Alfredsson on the bench in Ottawa, I can’t help but wonder if the Senators consider a Karlsson reunion. At least, brainstorm it. Yes, it’s complicated and yes, everyone would have to be on board. But no one mind-melds with Karlsson like Alfredsson, and, since it got into my head, I can’t stop thinking about the possibility of it.

3. Speaking of reunions, what does everyone think of Reilly Smith and Florida?

So far I’ve seen the Knights and the Oilers mentioned. Neither having very exciting prospect pools from what I can tell.
 
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I still wonder if the players are also pulling for Sully. They’re in the their late 30s and maybe they don’t want to be challenged? Just trying to make sense out of this.
Letang has said that he doesn’t want to play for any other coach. He also said that Sid and Geno feel the same way…. So the big 3 absolutely are pulling for him. I think part of that is they believe he can still be the right guy to help this team win. I also believe that at this point in their careers none of those guys want to go through a coaching change and all that comes with that.
 
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