Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

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Colorado has nothing for prospects, that's why I suggested two 1sts, one being conditional.

The NJD guys didn't balk at that return so I went with it.
I agree with your framework. And maybe I'm being a bit ambitious but if I'm Dubas, I'm looking at the standings, his limited 12 team NTC and looking at their respective prospect pools. I'd go if possible for the lowest playoff team with the best prospects. Get a 1st, and a pretty high end prospect if possible. I 100% AGREE with your valuation.

Don't think RR or Graves has positive value.
 
I agree with your framework. And maybe I'm being a bit ambitious but if I'm Dubas, I'm looking at the standings, his limited 12 team NTC and looking at their respective prospect pools. I'd go if possible for the lowest playoff team with the best prospects. Get a 1st, and a pretty high end prospect if possible. I 100% AGREE with your valuation.

Don't think RR or Graves has positive value.
Agreed which is why you try for a "my crap for your crap" trade. Honestly, I think we keep them but who knows.
 
Agreed. Draft capital and space should be the priority here. If they keep Jake and resign him, I'm generally okay with that but if there is to be change, that means having to send out the likes of Rust, Rakell, Smith, Eller, Acciari, Nieto (not all but at least two from that group), otherwise you are bringing back the same old crap.

I think there are two trades that Dubas could do that could be a good move for both sides:

Smith for Bunting
Graves+Rakell for Huberdeau

Those are high-risk moves, but both Hubes and Bunting offer skill sets that we don't have. I think Hubes could be a Kessel-like addition and Bunting could be the "straw that stirs the drink" disturber that we desperately need. At the very least, it's a major change to the roster.

Send Acciari out for a 4th. Send Nieto out for a 6th. Try to find a young, available 3C. With Perron being a UFA, I wonder if Detroit would have internet in a Copp for Rust swap?

Jake-Sid-Bunting
Huberdeau-Malkin-Puustinen
DOC-Copp-FA
Poulin-Eller-Puljujarvi

FA would ideally be someone like Sprong, Max Domi, or Roslovic or possibly Yager if he can make it out of camp.

The question I have: which teams have a ton of cap space to absorb these contracts?
 
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The question I have: which teams have a ton of cap space to absorb these contracts?
Well, Smith makes $5mil and Bunting makes $4.5mil and Carolina has plenty of space.

Raks+Graves = 9.5; Huberdeau = 10.5 so that's $1mil to us countered by the 500k in saving from Smith so +500K

Rust is at 5.125, Copp at 5.625 = So 500K to us.

Nieto makes $900 which is limited.

Acciari may be more difficult but $2mil isn't bad especially considering the cap is going up a bit next year. My assumption is, we'd be taking back a $1mil or less player that we can do with as we please.

A lot of the moves were very close in cap which is why I suggested them.
 
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If there is any chance at all of trading Jarry... I don't really understand why you'd dish Ned, instead.
Jarry has his warts. But leads the league in shutouts and is top 10 in the other statistical goalie categories afaik. $5 million is a pittance especially with the cap going up next season and probably a couple after that.
Sell high. Could probably get a 1st and a prospect. Re-sign Ned who'll definitely get a raise. I don't think he'll approach $5 million though. Roll with Bloom as the co-starter/backup.
 
Well, Smith makes $5mil and Bunting makes $4.5mil and Carolina has plenty of space.

Raks+Graves = 9.5; Huberdeau = 10.5 so that's $1mil to us countered by the 500k in saving from Smith so +500K

Rust is at 5.125, Copp at 5.625 = So 500K to us.

Nieto makes $900 which is limited.

Acciari may be more difficult but $2mil isn't bad especially considering the cap is going up a bit next year. My assumption is, we'd be taking back a $1mil or less player that we can do with as we please.

A lot of the moves were very close in cap which is why I suggested them.
No never ever on Hubie. Why for all that is Holy do we want another 30+ on a 10 mill contract for seven more years?????????????? He has only ever had 4 ppg seasons. For 10 milllllllll????????
 
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Malkin and Geuntzel I believe will be as good as gone.. Maybe EK.. Rakell because of performance issues. Some others will be gone and Doober will not tell the truth like GMs always do.
 
Jarry has his warts. But leads the league in shutouts and is top 10 in the other statistical goalie categories afaik. $5 million is a pittance especially with the cap going up next season and probably a couple after that.
Sell high. Could probably get a 1st and a prospect. Re-sign Ned who'll definitely get a raise. I don't think he'll approach $5 million though. Roll with Bloom as the co-starter/backup.

He also has a NMC for a few years, so that limits his value....
 
No never ever on Hubie. Why for all that is Holy do we want another 30+ on a 10 mill contract for seven more years?????????????? He has only ever had 4 ppg seasons. For 10 milllllllll????????
I think there a couple reasons why it's not a terrible idea:

1. I don't think Huberdeau suddenly forgot how to play hockey. I think he's super bummed to have gotten traded, he didn't start well, and now it's snowballing on him. He's primed for a resurgance on a new team.

2. Still a high-end talent that would likely be available.

3. Graves is signed long-term and is not looking great. Rakell is signed long-term and is meh. So when combining those two for Huberdeau, you're not taking on $10.5mil for 7 years - you already have that with Raks+Graves, but now you're just spending your money differently. No different than Granlund+Petry+Rutta vs Karlsson.
 
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I think there a couple reasons why it's not a terrible idea:

1. I don't think Huberdeau suddenly forgot how to play hockey. I think he's super bummed to have gotten traded, he didn't start well, and now it's snowballing on him. He's primed for a resurgance on a new team.

2. Still a high-end talent that would likely be available.

3. Graves is signed long-term and is not looking great. Rakell is signed long-term and is meh. So when combining those two for Huberdeau, you're not taking on $10.5mil for 7 years - you already have that with Raks+Graves, but now you're just spending your money differently. No different than Granlund+Petry+Rutta vs Karlsson.
It doesn't matter if he forgot how to play hockey or not. That contract is worse than Karlsson's. Those contracts can be moved without taking that albatross for seven years. Add seconds to those guys and they are gone. Losing two years of second round picks is worth not having to carry a 30 something for 10.5 into almost his 40s. What here justifies that contract?
 

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Won’t happen but I think you could move everything that’s not stapled down (incl. Guentzel and Petts) and there’s a good chance this team is no worse after the TDL and next season. Especially with a new coach.
I just want to see how the world reacts if they trade everything and run: Sid, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson, Puustinen on the PP and it runs 30% to close the year out. :laugh:
 
1. It doesn't matter if he forgot how to play hockey or not. That contract is worse than Karlsson's.
Who says Karlsson has a bad contract?
2. Those contracts can be moved without taking that albatross for seven years. Add seconds to those guys and they are gone. Losing two years of second round picks is worth not having to carry a 30 something for 10.5 into almost his 40s.
No they can't. Not a chance you get rid of them for a 2nd without taking on a worse play with a shitty cap hit .
3. What here justifies that contract?
Probably the 4 consecutive PPG seasons culminating with the 115pt season? Cute how you left that out. Fact is, that's the price for guys today. Jake could easily get that contract in FA.
 
Won’t happen but I think you could move everything that’s not stapled down (incl. Guentzel and Petts) and there’s a good chance this team is no worse after the TDL and next season. Especially with a new coach.
100%

Which is what makes the "don't change anything, we're just getting unlucky" shit more annoying. :laugh:

I don't think Poulin, Zoho, Puustinen, DOC or Gruden are anything worth a damn at this level. But like, give it a shot? They're more or less unknown commodities, but your known commodities are are complete dogshit.
 
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Graves' ice time is another issue I have. If he's bad why's he playing 22 minutes some nights? If he's good why's he only playing 12 minutes some others? Which is it? Maybe they should find some happy medium, like 17-18 and see if he thrives at a reasonable amount of ice time rather than way too much or way too little.
 
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Who says Karlsson has a bad contract?

No they can't. Not a chance you get rid of them for a 2nd without taking on a worse play with a shitty cap hit .

Probably the 4 consecutive PPG seasons culminating with the 115pt season? Cute how you left that out. Fact is, that's the price for guys today. Jake could easily get that contract in FA.
So four ppg seasons ending in one outlier is your argument for 10.5 million??? Wow you are more delusional than I imagined. He averages. 82 ppg Rakell is. 65 ppg at half price. so that is worth 5.5 million more for SEVEN seasons at 30years old OMG. I left nothing out. I posted the most recent years. Is this better? How bout the two following seasons? No mention of them? A second will move Rakell to Chi or Anaheim easily maybe not Graves so give a second and a third that absolutely moves it.
 

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Graves' ice time is another issue I have. If he's bad why's he playing 22 minutes some nights? If he's good why's he only playing 12 minutes some others? Which is it? Maybe they should find some happy medium, like 17-18 and see if he thrives at a reasonable amount of ice time rather than way too much or way too little.
I think they need another true dman who can share top 4 minutes with him and Pettersson and then whoever as the 6th defenseman playing 10 minutes or whatever a nite. I think he’s being expected to play the same minutes as Letang and karlsson some nites and just isn’t built for that role. I want more from him still though he’s been disappointing so far. I expected a Mark Eaton “first time around” kinda player.
 
I was optimistic going into the season but they need to blow it up. Keep Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson to put butts in seats and start the rest of the roster over from scratch IMO. It's not happening with this combination of guys. It's over.
 
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