Value of: A Legitimate Starting Goalie to Edmonton, Who's Available?

[VeteranPresence]

Most Preds fans would probably hand you Saros for "free"... if you'd take his forthcoming contract extension.

And he'd probably be really good for the next 3-5 years and be a great pickup for the Oilers. A la Ekholm.

Just... of course, Barry Trotz is not going to be on the same page, alas, so it's not very realistic. Unless he has some kind of come-to-Jesus epiphany.

Would take Saros in a heartbeat.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Could see now being a good time for the Blues to hand over the reigns to Hofer and move Binnington.

Binner hit the win milestone, Blues are struggling with skater consistency still after all of the additions. Hofer has close to 60 starts under his belt. Ellis has been really good in Springfield. Doesn't hurt that the whole world watched Binner steal the show for Canada in the championship.

Would ask for similar to what Markstrom got more or less. Don’t think cap coming back is too big of a deal. Could see hesitance to retain much though on the remaining 2 years after this year but I guess it wouldn’t be outlandish if they did, not sure if Army would entertain that though.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Vejmelka can actually play. He's not held up by a good team.

Yeah the best Dman on Utah is Sergachev who leads the d-corps in scoring while also leading the entire team for WORST +/- . I know that +/- isn’t the most valuable stat, but that’s a solid indication.

 

[Summer Rose]

How good is Vejmelka? His stats prior to this season have been unspectacular and last season Ingram was the #1 there.

He’s something like 18th in save percentage and 13th in GAA (I may have that backwards). He’s also doing it on a team that’s mediocre at best. Ingram has had injury trouble this season and his play when he’s “healthy” isn’t great compared to last season. I’m open to the idea of trading either one of them. Based on current play I prefer Vejmelka but we might have little choice in the matter if we can’t hammer out an extension for him that’s good for both sides. Edmonton should prefer him too.

For the sake of argument, let’s say we can’t get him to sign an extension and want to unload him. It would be closer to the trade deadline (if not deadline day itself). What would it take from Edmonton, for me, in that case? Honestly, not much if I’m being realistic. Goalies never go for much (we really bent Colorado over a barrel in sending them Kuemper). I don’t know enough about Edmonton’s situation to know what I’d ask for in terms of players, so a second round pick would be more than enough as far as I’m concerned. Might be talked into downgrading it to a third instead. Sending us Pickard along with it in order to make it make sense cap and roster space wise works too. Just my two cents.

All that said, if we get him signed to an extension, I don’t want to trade him. In that case I’d be fine with the same package for Ingram, but I doubt that’s a trade that the Oilers would want.

 

[UED]

I'm sure they could trade like, a 3rd or 2nd for Dostal or for Hofer who are probably fine starters, especially if they split with Skinner. I'm also sure everyone would struggle in Edmonton. They have Bouchard on one pair and Klingberg on another and they traded their only defensive forward for yet another PP specialist. What's the goalie supposed to do if not to suffer

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Is Gibson actually hurt or is Anaheim holding him out on purpose for trade possibly???

Coach seemed to think it wasnt serious and day to day.

I'm sure they could trade like, a 3rd or 2nd for Dostal or for Hofer who are probably fine starters, especially if they split with Skinner. I'm also sure everyone would struggle in Edmonton. They have Bouchard on one pair and Klingberg on another and they traded their only defensive forward for yet another PP specialist. What's the goalie supposed to do if not to suffer

Lol you aren't getting Dostal for a 3rd or a 2nd.

 

[Leafs87]

I think the Oilers need to go big on a legit starter. They need a true upgrade on Skinner to get over the hump.

 

[Ranksu]

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

What pieces is Edmonton making available for said starting goalie? That would be a start. Outside of a 2026 1st, there’s really not much for teams to work with minus some middling prospects.

Our 5 most valuable trade chips are in order:

1. Matt Savoie (dominant player in the AHL as a rookie)
2a. 2016 1st round pick
2b. Sam O'Reilly (based on past training camp a near lock for an NHL future, passed every test the coaching staff threw at him with flying colors, just lacked NHL level strength, question marks on his offensive ceiling)
4. Beau Akey (fits the style of new era d-men, mobile, good in transition, offensive catalyst)
5. STL 2015 2nd round pick

 

[MessierThanThou]

Honestly, Skinner and Pickard are so bad that you can bring in any league-average backup and they would probably look like another Roli in comparison. We're talking about two goalies who are 71st and 80th, respectively, in GSAx out of 93 goalies who have played a single game this season.

Adjust it to goalies who have played a minimum of 20 games and Skinner is 39th out of 49. Pickard is 43rd out of 49. None of the goalies below them are in playoff spots, and two of them are currently back in the minors. It's not wrong to suggest that Skinner and Pickard might be closer to AHL-caliber than most people realize.

Skinner Campbell 2.0

They need to go all on on Gibson. Ive been screaming it for past few years

But... but... Gibson was bad the last few seasons, just please ignore all of his numbers this season and please, above all, do not compare them to Skinner's like I'm going to do here:

GSAx (minimum 20 Games):
Skinner - 39th (out of 49 goalies)
Gibson - 6th

GSAx per 60 (minimum 20 Games):
Skinner - 38th
Gibson - 3rd

Skinner has 14 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage, for a total of 37% of his games. He's been under .800 for five games.
Gibson has had 5 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage, for a total of 21% of his games.

Skinner has 17 games below .900 for a total of 45% of his games. So Skinner has been under .900 for almost half of his games this season...
Gibson has had 8 games below .900 for a total of 33% of his games.

 

[bernmeister]

So Gibson is well know as a possibility, others have mentioned maybe Vejmelka as a possibility if Utah can't sign him, Are there any other decent starting goalies that might be available?

You're not paying a primo haul for Shesterkin, so he's out for you
IF Igor+ to LAK for a massive package, THEN their current starter maybe available.

We love Quick but if nec can plug in Garand immediately.
Quick is expiring nmc would have to take one for the team and waive, strictly be a 1 yr rental

Quick + Smith + Jones + 4th
for
Savoie + 1st

 

[PaulD]

Binnington . Armstrong might move him while his value is peaking.
Don't see the Blues making play offs.
Oil simply have to upgrade their goaltending. Not an option.

 

[Zerotonine]

Judging by the Oiler board, the only players they are willing to move are Evander Kane, Jeff Skinner, Stew Skinner, Victor Arvedsson, Adam Henrique and Brett Kuluk. So pretty much the oilers are not willing to move anything of value. Unless they put one of Bouchard, Hyman, or or one of the duo up? They are not getting a legit number one goalie till McDavid and Leon are in the Hall of fame

So should we package mcdavid or Leon up for Gibson then.

Give your head a shake..

 

[BKarchitect]

Gibson is the guy that to me makes the most scary in a playoff series. He’s playing great this year but more importantly - I think he’d come into that locker room with the right balance of vocal veteran leadership and a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove something after years in the abyss.

It seems crazy but the guy is still only 31…if you make it worthwhile for the Ducks to retain, you could have your solution for the next 3 playoff runs at a very reasonable cap hit, seeing some of the new goalie numbers coming out this year.

Gibson just has the potential to make the Oilers much more intimidating to against in a best-of seven.

 

[TFHockey]

You're not paying a primo haul for Shesterkin, so he's out for you
IF Igor+ to LAK for a massive package, THEN their current starter maybe available.

We love Quick but if nec can plug in Garand immediately.
Quick is expiring nmc would have to take one for the team and waive, strictly be a 1 yr rental

Quick + Smith + Jones + 4th
for
Savoie + 1st

Bern that is highway robbery for the Rangers.

Binnington and Gibson are my targets these days. Vejmelka is also a possibility but I don't know if he has the jam to win like the other two do.

 

[Lunatik]

Throwing shit at the wall here...

to Anaheim or St. Louis
- S. Skinner
- 1st in 2026
to Edmonton
- Gibson or Binnington

 

[TFHockey]

Throwing shit at the wall here...

to Anaheim or St. Louis
- S. Skinner
- 1st in 2026
to Edmonton
- Gibson or Binnington

Oilers require retention on either of those contracts, but yeah. Something has to give here.

 

[Lunatik]

Oilers require retention on either of those contracts, but yeah. Something has to give here.

No they don't. Skinner going the other way gives them enough space, since Kane is not going to be back in the regular season.

Asking teams to retain for 2+ years will cost a premium, that's why Markstrom returned a 1st and Kevin Bahl. So teh Oilers would likely have to add someone like Akey to shave 1.75m-2m off the cap hit.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern that is highway robbery for the Rangers.

Binnington and Gibson are my targets these days. Vejmelka is also a possibility but I don't know if he has the jam to win like the other two do.

Shoe on the other foot, what do you think is fair?

Granted you are not limited to Quick, but end of season + POs, this is a good option

there were other threads where Oil were seeming more jam.
Smith is ballpark a 2nd on his own

I asked for higher end of top $ here, but I wouldn't call it "highway robbery"

In any event good luck

 

[JTRAIN1966]

I mean Broberg and Holloway where for future Bennington considerations?


Right?

I was just thinking that .

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I'm sure they could trade like, a 3rd or 2nd for Dostal or for Hofer who are probably fine starters, especially if they split with Skinner. I'm also sure everyone would struggle in Edmonton. They have Bouchard on one pair and Klingberg on another and they traded their only defensive forward for yet another PP specialist. What's the goalie supposed to do if not to suffer

You would be wrong. He’s the future #1 for Anaheim.

 

[FiveTacos]

Asking teams to retain for 2+ years will cost a premium, that's why Markstrom returned a 1st and Kevin Bahl.

I wonder if the significant cap jump changes retention costs slightly. But locking up a retention slot for multiple years is not nothing.

 

[benfranklin]

Id ship our Bouchard for a actual good goalie vs a bandaid. Saves you money later to not risk losing McDavid and I think a traffic cone could run that PP.

 

[Rec T]

So should we package mcdavid or Leon up for Gibson then.

I think PV would possibly go for that...could you toss in future considerations to round it out?

Throwing shit at the wall here...

to Anaheim or St. Louis
- S. Skinner
- 1st in 2026
to Edmonton
- Gibson or Binnington

In the 'other' Gibson thread it's been thoroughly hashed out that that 'might' be a starting point but there has to be a very good NHL ready/almost ready player in there too, especially with even minimal retention. 50% retention will be even more (to be fair, most of the 1st discussion has been based on this years presumably weaker draft).

If Gibson is traded, the Ducks will need to get a backup goalie somewhere, so Skinner coming back isn't necessarily a horrible thing ... but it would be a severe downgrade in the goalie duo for the Ducks so his value, while not completely negative isn't really much of a positive either. A presumably very late 1st round pick doesn't really have the value that people around here seem to insist it does. At that point in the draft (late 1st, early 2nd), history shows that it's about a 50% chance that the pick will even play more than a handful of games in the NHL...it's not worth 'that' much. Skinner & a 1st would cover the retention & a bit of Gibson himself... but there needs to be a whole lot more to get the rest of Gibson. (and that doesn't factor in using a retention slot for multiple years...when they're already using one on Fowler & planning on trading over the next couple of weeks where those 2 slots would be useful for this year. That's not to say it can't be done, but it isn't free)

Then there's the behind the scenes stuff. Dostal will need a new contract at the end of the year. If he's going to be 'the guy' and the Ducks are paying whatever they are for his new back up plus retention on Gibson. With no other options available he's going to (justifiably) want more than that. If Gibson is gone it's suddenly the Boston situation all over again (as a RFA he can't push things too far, but if they screw him over it will be remembered...). Keeping Gibson through this season (at least) is far better for Anaheim (or at least the GM...). If paying Dostal, the backup, & retention is more expensive than keeping Gibson & signing Dostal to a solid but not over a barrel contract, there really is no reason to downgrade their goalie situation.

So there's really no reason for Verbeek to change from his oft stated "Sure, I'll listen to offers, that's my job. But if you want him it's going to be expensive" position.

And of course this all presumes that Gibson would be willing to waive his NTC for Edmonton (he probably would)

(zero idea if that offer would be attractive to St. Louis. If it is, more power to them - the Ducks don't 'have' to get rid of Gibson immediately)

 

[TFHockey]

No they don't. Skinner going the other way gives them enough space, since Kane is not going to be back in the regular season.

Asking teams to retain for 2+ years will cost a premium, that's why Markstrom returned a 1st and Kevin Bahl. So teh Oilers would likely have to add someone like Akey to shave 1.75m-2m off the cap hit.

I dunno, the Blackhawks only received a 3rd to retain half of Rantanen's $9.25 Million salary. Granted, he is a pending UFA but that's a big chunk of change for just a third.

Shoe on the other foot, what do you think is fair?

Granted you are not limited to Quick, but end of season + POs, this is a good option

there were other threads where Oil were seeming more jam.
Smith is ballpark a 2nd on his own

I asked for higher end of top $ here, but I wouldn't call it "highway robbery"

In any event good luck

If you're asking for the Oilers 1st and their best prospect now playing in the NHL the Rangers will have to give up a hell of a lot more than that.

Quick doesn't move the needle for the Oilers.