Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

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How many games is it going to take for the organization to realize Matthew Phillips sucks? I'm guessing about 400

It's pretty awesome how even in the midst of an utterly pathetic season with no shortage of screwups from top to bottom of the organization they still insist on getting cute and thinking they are smarter than everyone else.
 
You just said he’s allowing them to ad lib and it’s not working…I would expect the coach to then take the bull by the horns
TBH I think if he tries to coach them up it won't help. I'm sure he and TR are telling them to shoot the puck more.

Do you manage people? I do and I give my direct reports latitude and expect them to perform to a certain standard.

If they don't I start investigating why that is the case. Are they not capable? ARe they overwhelmed with other assignments? Do they need more or less oversight?

Most of the time, people just aren't capable and need MORE STRUCTURE to succeed. Why give a person LESS STRUCTURE if they are failing?
Their Individual talent and creativity is something that sets them apart. Collectively they're overthinking it and trying to be too precise I'm not sure coaching them up helps TBH. They just have to defer more and shoot the damn puck. They need to simplify. I can't imagine Sully or TR telling them otherwise.
 
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I also think they're far to heavy on playmaking and less proficient in finishing. Their too creative and deferential.
 
It's pretty awesome how even in the midst of an utterly pathetic season with no shortage of screwups from top to bottom of the organization they still insist on getting cute and thinking they are smarter than everyone else.
Dubas has a line graph that shows Phillips actually scored 2 goals last night. He's awaiting the league's phone call on the issue.
 
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Dubas has a line graph that shows Phillips actually scored 2 goals last night. He's awaiting the league's phone call on the issue.

"Hey I know... lets play this 5 foot nothing midget who hasn't ever shown anything at the NHL level with Evgeni Malkin. He's hot right now AND has gamebreaker Drew O'Conner on the other wing to take up any slack!"

Seriously... what kind idiocy is this?
 
Changes are coming!!!! ADIOS NEDELKOVICH!!!! :laugh:

I think a Jake/Smith+Neds trade to Edmonton makes a ton of sense for both sides.

I would also think VERY hard about a Jarry to Carolina for Necas swap. Then run Neds/Hellberg rest of the year. Try for goalie in FA or resign Neds and bring up Blomqvist. Or...bring back MAF for cheap.

Ruh for a conditional 7th it is.

The condition is his hair growing back.
And then pay a 2nd for Justin Holll :laugh:
 
"Hey I know... lets play this 5 foot nothing midget who hasn't ever shown anything at the NHL level with Evgeni Malkin. He's hot right now AND has gamebreaker Drew O'Conner on the other wing to take up any slack!"

Seriously... what kind idiocy is this?
The guy played on the Caps when they were decimated by injuries up front earlier this year and still put up Jansen Harkins numbers. How can you resist that?
 
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I can't wait until the era's over and we can stop hearing people pretending to give a shit about stuff like xGF% and possession metrics. Kicking back and laughing at how bad the team is as they collect top-5 picks, while we cross our fingers and hope to get lucky with drafting/development.

The way this organization's become to unlikable and predictable over the past half decade-plus is so shitty, man. :laugh: f*** JR, Hextall, Sullivan, Mario, and FSG forever for torpedoing what should've been a respectable but bittersweet end of the Sid/Geno era.

Torts is a f***ing schmuck but he was absolutely right about this organization being arrogant to an immeasurable level.
 
I can't wait until the era's over and we can stop hearing people pretending to give a shit about stuff like xGF% and possession metrics. Kicking back and laughing at how bad the team is as they collect top-5 picks, while we cross our fingers and hope to get lucky with drafting/development.

The way this organization's become to unlikable and predictable over the past half decade-plus is so shitty, man. :laugh: f*** JR, Hextall, Sullivan, Mario, and FSG forever for torpedoing what should've been a respectable but bittersweet end of the Sid/Geno era.

Torts is a f***ing schmuck but he was absolutely right about this organization being arrogant to an immeasurable level.
At least when the team sucks it's fun to prospect watch all year. We've got nothing but watching the Mike Sullivan circus night in and night out.
 
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At least when the team sucks it's fun to prospect watch all year. We've got nothing but watching the Mike Sullivan circus night in and night out.
Everybody decries doom and gloom for the rebuilding phase and I dunno man, I had a way less shitty time watching Caron backstopping guys like Surovy, Kip Miller and Ric Jackman than I have watching this dogshit.

Zero expectations does a lot of heavy lifting. Even as someone who has thought this team signed its death certificate years ago, there's still some level of expectation. And like you said; prospect watching when you (hopefully) have legit premium prospects is cool. Not pretending guys like Puustinen, Poulin or Ty Smith are worth a damn. :laugh:
 
Everybody decries doom and gloom for the rebuilding phase and I dunno man, I had a way less shitty time watching Caron backstopping guys like Surovy, Kip Miller and Ric Jackman than I have watching this dogshit.

Zero expectations does a lot of heavy lifting. Even as someone who has thought this team signed its death certificate years ago, there's still some level of expectation. And like you said; prospect watching when you (hopefully) have legit premium prospects is cool. Not pretending guys like Puustinen, Poulin or Ty Smith are worth a damn. :laugh:
Puustinen is worth several damns, but preach on the rest.
 
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you just said that they have changed personnel. why do you want to keep trying the same thing and expecting deferent results?
Wait, you and others don't seriously think changing the coach changes the direction of this team do you? This team is done, you can bring back Scotty Bowman Circa 1992 and they're still not going to do anything. The coach is not the reason this team sucks. It's the age of this team, and the mindset that trotting out players like Sid and Geno year after year is still going to work. It's not going to work. No matter who the coach is.
 
Jesus effing Christ...

So somehow Phillips is playing with Malkin. pool party, who is literally the only forward other than sid making physical contact with opposing players, is benched and all of white/Harkins/Carter remain in the line up...

Sullivan is just trolling people now, just showing everyone he is untouchable no matter what he does.

At least he is giving POJ a game with letang, where he played well last year. I assume this puts petts back with karlsson and give graves less minutes but puts him with a defense first physical ludvig.

This is something I've wanted to try for months.. . On nevermind ruh will play with graves...
 
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Their Individual talent and creativity is something that sets them apart. Collectively they're overthinking it and trying to be too precise I'm not sure coaching them up helps TBH. They just have to defer more and shoot the damn puck. They need to simplify. I can't imagine Sully or TR telling them otherwise.

So just do nothing then...it's uncorrectable?
 
I hope not

But i expect a coach to not allow it either
Well, he switched up the power play and the results really didn't change all that much except maybe initially. The only thing that he could mandate is sticking Jeff Carter or Doc in front of the net to screen the goalie. That's something that if I were him I would mandate. And he scored a goal. So yeah they should go back to that.
 
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Puustinen is worth several damns, but preach on the rest.
Should be a permanent fixture in the lineup over the shlock that is Carter, White, Harkins, Phillips, Nieto, and probably DOC. I don't think Puustinen is anything more than a whatever borderline AHL guy though. We're all just so damn starved for hunger and fresh legs in the lineup that we immediately gravitate toward anyone who shows a pulse and is under 30. :laugh:
 
So just do nothing then...it's uncorrectable?
With this current group yes. I didn't have much faith in this team even going into this year. When we got EK I guess I thought maybe just maybe there was one more kick at the can. Clearly that isn't the case, no this team is done.
 
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