Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"
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Switch out Foegele for Bouchard and then the Pens should do that lol
Put this on a sign and hold it up during the game.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Sully's from Boston, you'd have to make it all pictorial.
"After careful consideration and evaluation, the Pittsburgh Penguins organization has made the difficult decision to relieve Mike Sullivan of his duties as head coach. We appreciate Mike's dedication and contributions to the team over the years, but unfortunately, we believe a change is necessary at this time.
While Mike has had success in the past, we feel his inability to effectively manage the roster and run a cohesive powerplay unit has hindered our performance this season. We believe it's in the best interest of the team to move in a new direction.
We want to thank Mike for his hard work and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors. We understand he will be taking a position coaching mini mites youth level hockey in Latvia, and we have no doubt he will excel in that role."
Just in case Kyle needs a template.
While Mike has had success in the past, we feel his inability to effectively manage the roster and run a cohesive powerplay unit has hindered our performance this season. We believe it's in the best interest of the team to move in a new direction.
We want to thank Mike for his hard work and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors. We understand he will be taking a position coaching mini mites youth level hockey in Latvia, and we have no doubt he will excel in that role."
Just in case Kyle needs a template.
Bishop7979
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The kings don't have the cap space without sending back salary and the guys the kings would want to send back the pens shouldn't take.
Also, Turcotte can't stay healthy, he cannot be the centerpiece of a Jake trade when he only plays half a season at most.
And Kaliyev, if kings fans are to be taken seriously, will be waiver foder more sooner than later. A very one dimensional forward who is a poor skater at the NHL level. He's a just a pilon with a good shot, you could probably pick him up for a 3rd round pick right now and kings fans would be elated.
I'm expecting something completely out of left field at this point.
Like something beyond stupid that dubas can sell as looking towards the future while staying competitive now. Like Jake extended with PoJ (because Sullivan has wrecked him so just ship him out with Jake not matter what) and a first for Zegras and Gauthier.
Zegras, who makes like 5 mil I think, is on the rocks with verbeek right now,.has been shifted to wing, and is reported to be on the block. The ducks top two centers moving forward are carlsson and mactavish, with gaucher projecting to eventually be a great defensive minded number 3. At wing they have terry for like 7 more years and strome and vatrano for the next 3.
They have an absolute crap ton of cap space, a really good young goalie, and the best prospect pool in the NHL with some great defenders coming up.
Jakes the guy you bring in to teach mactavish, terry, Carlson, and eventually gaucher/Perrault/pastojov everything he learned from sid about being a professional and Jake with Carlson put up more points each of the next 5 years than Carlson/Zegras does. They can easily absorb his salary moving forward and still have caproom to build around their core guys.
And Dubas can be like, "hey, ignore the missed playoffs in sids golden years look at how well zegas skates (and ignore his lack of back checking) and we got that kid that told the flyers to go eff them selves. Are you not entertained? Ignore Sullivan's ineptitude, that Zegras kid just scored a Michigan! Please like me!"
I am saying a move like that is the right one? No, giving up Jake AND assets for some flashy but damaged goods probably blows up in your face, (see LA with dubois) but something like that feels on brand for dubas.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Honestly, the best argument against a Jake trade is simply that we don't trust our scouts to target players worth bringing back. 
I asked on the main boards, no reply as of yet. Not sure if good value or not. If the Preds want to make a run for the playoffs, currently 1 point back, would Kemmell, Novak and a pick (1st) move the needle? Preds fans would probably say no, everyone over rates their prospects. Might be too hit or miss for the Pens' side.
Randy Butternubs
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I'd rather target players already drafted (aka prospects) as opposed to upcoming draft picks.
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
100%, but in this type of deal with Jake it should be both!
They would be closer to contributing but probably cost more. It’s so hard to judge value of Jake as a rental. If he had two years it would be different.
Not interested in Zegras at all…if I’m trading w Anaheim I want Mactavish back at minimum or Carlson…we need a young center..not taking someone else’s crap back…otherwise just resign Jake
the pp needs more than one guy doing the right things to make it work. but i agree with your thought behind it.
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Honestly, the best argument against a Jake trade is simply that we don't trust our scouts to target players worth bringing back.
I asked LA and Nashville people and neither side thing that a Jake trade is right for them. Nashville is still in rebuild mode. LA is decent location but they don't want to spend major assets for a rental when they are WC1/2.
MayorofWBS
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Kings fans are the funniest bunch. They are so, so conservative. They never want to make a move to make the team better. They are always not quite ready yet.
I asked LA and Nashville people and neither side thing that a Jake trade is right for them. Nashville is still in rebuild mode. LA is decent location but they don't want to spend major assets for a rental when they are WC1/2.
Bishop7979
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Zegras isn't ideal, but you're not getting Carlson or mactavish off of the ducks, and I'm a guy the feels that the redwings should be offering up Danielson or edvinsson as the center price of a Jake deal.
But,
Positives: he's only 22, had back to back 23 goal 60pt seasons before being pushed to wing this year. He skates really well and has a crap ton of talent. Is a natural center. He's under contract for a couple more years so there is team control.
Negatives: doesn't play defense, only cares about scoring, not physical at all, butts heads with Coach when moved to wing because he struggles at wing without the open ice at the center position.
Again, have no expectations that a Jake for Zegras deal would happen, just seems like a dubas move. But, if it did, the only hope is that sid rubs off on him and he gets it together and plays a more complete game. Also he would immediately improve the powerplay and could move Geno to wing (with a defensively responsible winger) which I think has to happen at this point one way or another.
If something like that happens maybe smith to the jets for iafallo might be a good move. Iafallo could balance out Geno if he is placed with another non-defensive forward on line 2.
Iafallo has been on the jets 4th line and seems like a poor fit with them, he and smith are similar ages and similar contacts so it's more of a hockey trade than dumping smith.
After giving up a kings random for dubois I understand being conservative.
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DesertedPenguin
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Saravalli did a trade matchmaker piece that includes Guentzel.
Here's his proposed trade:
To Colorado: Jake Guentzel (50% retained), Alex Nedeljkovic
To Pittsburgh: 2024 1st Rd Pick, 2025 1st Rd Pick, 2025 3rd Rd Pick
www.dailyfaceoff.com
That seems underwhelming to me given how late the picks are going to be in the first round, the fact that the goalie market is very much a seller's market, and that Guentzel is being retained at 50%.
Here's his proposed trade:
To Colorado: Jake Guentzel (50% retained), Alex Nedeljkovic
To Pittsburgh: 2024 1st Rd Pick, 2025 1st Rd Pick, 2025 3rd Rd Pick
Playing Hockey’s Doctor Love: 2024 Trade Deadline Matchmaker
Which players and prospective new teams would make for perfect couples?
www.dailyfaceoff.com
That seems underwhelming to me given how late the picks are going to be in the first round, the fact that the goalie market is very much a seller's market, and that Guentzel is being retained at 50%.
Randy Butternubs
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Saravalli did a trade matchmaker piece that includes Guentzel.
Here's his proposed trade:
To Colorado: Jake Guentzel (50% retained), Alex Nedeljkovic
To Pittsburgh: 2024 1st Rd Pick, 2025 1st Rd Pick, 2025 3rd Rd Pick
Playing Hockey’s Doctor Love: 2024 Trade Deadline Matchmaker
Which players and prospective new teams would make for perfect couples?
That seems underwhelming to me given how late the picks are going to be in the first round, the fact that the goalie market is very much a seller's market, and that Guentzel is being retained at 50%.
Change it to Callum Ritchie/Kovalenko+.
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If we accept the "young player, prospect, 1st" as the framework and you say Neds is worth a 3rd, then two 1sts is an interesting return for a rental. I think that would be the first time that ever happened. Young RFAs, sure. 29yo rentals? No. Even though they are late, I don't know...I think we take that and run and then try to weaponize the cap space.Saravalli did a trade matchmaker piece that includes Guentzel.
Here's his proposed trade:
To Colorado: Jake Guentzel (50% retained), Alex Nedeljkovic
To Pittsburgh: 2024 1st Rd Pick, 2025 1st Rd Pick, 2025 3rd Rd Pick
Playing Hockey’s Doctor Love: 2024 Trade Deadline Matchmaker
Which players and prospective new teams would make for perfect couples?
That seems underwhelming to me given how late the picks are going to be in the first round, the fact that the goalie market is very much a seller's market, and that Guentzel is being retained at 50%.
Sure there is some $3mil player out there that a team needs to dump to us. Maybe you could get NYR to give up another 1st to send up Goodrow. Or you get Toronto to pay to send us Domi or Edmonton with Foegele. In that instance, say you get an additional 3rd, then it becomes more in line with what we thought: 2 1sts, 2 3rds. And you get $6mil in space next year to do with as you please.
Something I might be willing to float if this trade happens:
Kakko+Goodrow+2024 1st
for
2024 2nd+Acciari
XXXX-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Eller-Kakko
Nieto-Goodrow-XXXX
with a massive cap space fund. Course if they decide to tank the season, I'd also be sending Smith out. That's where Smith+3rd for Foegele+1st could be discussed.
If they waive the white flag, there are sooooo many different combinations they could try to really retool. Say you do everything I just said, which is hardly unreasonable, and you come away with 4 1st round picks in the upcoming drafts. You want to restock the prospect pool? Boom. And with the cap going up and available FAs or potentially available cap casualties, I think you could signed/trade for enough talent to take another run next year.
Pens next number of games will probably dictate moves. Lose the next 3 out of 5 and kiss it goodby. I think FSG will keep Letang and the Hextall core signings for one more year. Than make all the deals in Rust, Karlsson, Geno, and rebuild the system. Sullivan gone and Sid still has two years if he really wants to play in the olympics in 2026.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Two low firsts and a third for a 40 goal scorer and a cheap borderline starter would be a huge kick in the dick.
EDIT: And Jake heavily retained? Whatever Colorado fan cooked that one up should try again.
EDIT: And Jake heavily retained? Whatever Colorado fan cooked that one up should try again.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Sidney the Kidney
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It would also be one Sullivan loves.
A former 1st round pick who looks like he's topping out as a bottom six checker, a bottom six forward and a 1st? That's like a dream return for our coach.
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