Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"
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BlindWillyMcHurt
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HSL asking the only REAL important questions.
pistolpete11
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I'm not totally sure how Boston was typically setup, but something like this (averaging everything out per 82):
Marchand (24) - Bergeron (28) - Pasta (61)
DeBrusk (35) - Krejci (19) - Zacah (21)
Total : 187
Pens have :
Jake (39) - Sid (48) - Rust (27)
Smith (16) - Geno (29) - Rakell (12)
Total: 172
A difference, sure, but not 'greatest team in league history' vs. a non-playoff team.
After looking closer and to disprove my own point, they actually had more depth than I realized with Coyle (16), Hall (16 in only 61 games), Frederic (17), and Foligno (10 in only 60 games). Whereas the Pens have Eller (16), DOC (11), Carter (10), and.....that's basically it.
HandshakeLine
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Hextall just lost his f***ing marbles that day, both the Matheson and Marino trades were just stupid and unnecessary at the time. He could have done much better with those assets IMO
Bruins are not only deeper in front but defensively as well. They also play a system unlike us, as our coach doesn't know what that his. By doing so, their goalies look great as well!!
I'm sure once they move one of those goalies, that team trading for one will regret it big time. Jarry in Boston doesn't have 5 SO, closer to 10
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Throwing assets away because the coach is too risk adverse to let his youngish players play to their strengths.
The messed up thing is we’d be circling the drain near the bottom of the standings if they’d kept Matheson. Because you know Kris would be throwing games away left and right trying to be THE guy to make plays from the back end. And the coach would gladly let him rather than elevate Matheson into a position to be THE guy.
My question is why we couldn’t have multiple guys (Kris, Matheson, Marino) be THE guys? We had the horses to have an offensive-minded guy or guys on every pairing. But they basically throw them away because the coach is so fixated on age and experience. It took getting a HOF dman for him to be okay with having two pairings that can generate offense. It’s crazy how he’s been allowed to decimate the teams depth to placate his outdated visions on how teams are built and play.
Honour Over Glory
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I hope Dubas does it personally. To kind of say hey FSG you made me pump this wankers tires and he still can't win shit and now you want me to sign a player because another needs his winger? Nah
From what I've read, his skating is suspect which might or might not prevent him from making the jump to the NHL.
tom_servo
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Outside of Edmonton who has high end talent. Colorado has but most teams have a couple stars but not a Sid. Pens can build with a very good roster here. Hake brings back top pick, very good prospect and decent LW.
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If this is our last shot, it's really pathetic.
Turin
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A top 3 prospect in this pipeline isn't exactly special. They got a prospect who isn't the best prospect on the average team and a late 1st, and took on a bad contract. That doesn't do anything.
Yager is a better prospect than Hunter whatever, and Kuzmenko is a negative asset atm. It's less a style clash and more him not shooting 25% again.Thats assuming he re-signs this summer. Would a high mileage Jake still have that value at 33? If he isnt extended by the TDL, thats a hell of a return on an expiring asset. Hunter Brzrtkjhrjghfjgh would instantly become our top prospect, and they get the pick back they will lose to SJ, plus a guy who scored 39 last year before a styles clash with the new coach.
Pacing for 100 points...imagine having a defenseman capable of that production
ChaosAgent
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I mean, I'm fine with it.
But to act as though a late 1st can't become high-end talent.
All Star Games rosters: Pastnak (25), Aho (35), Debrincat (39), Suzuki (13), Barzal (16), Konecny (24)...
Just sorta stopped after the first division because the point has been made. Every high pick has a chance. The higher the pick, the better the chance. But there's no iron law that indicates that pick 20whatever acquired from Guentzel can't be a great player.
Empoleon8771
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Keeping Guentzel just to let him walk is the single dumbest thing this team can do.
Re-sign him or trade him. You’re not winning shit this year regardless. Either re-sign him if you want to keep the charade up that this team is still competing or sell off and start the rebuild
Re-sign him or trade him. You’re not winning shit this year regardless. Either re-sign him if you want to keep the charade up that this team is still competing or sell off and start the rebuild
tom_servo
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If Guentzel was a 29 year old free agent from another team you'd offer him $9 million+ per year for 8 years?
ChaosAgent
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Shirey is basically saying "keep him and let him walk is the worst move which means it's the best tanking move."
Gross.
Turin
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ChaosAgent
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Turin
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I bet there are some teams out West who would love that Clutch Playoff Experience.Oh no Rust has term which means he has no value
HandshakeLine
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Rust's big problem (besides the organization's love of him) is that NMC.
pistolpete11
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I couldn't disagree with that take any more.
Letting Guentzel walk is the worst possible outcome this side of giving him $11M/year or something.
Why is this year any better of a 'last shot' than next year IF they make the necessary 'difficult' decisions. Particularly the coaching staff, but Jake and some other roster decisions as well.
I will grant him that they aren't guaranteed to get high end talent by trading Jake, but you're a helluva lot more likely to find some with an extra 1st round pick than not. That shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.
Letting Guentzel walk is the worst possible outcome this side of giving him $11M/year or something.
Why is this year any better of a 'last shot' than next year IF they make the necessary 'difficult' decisions. Particularly the coaching staff, but Jake and some other roster decisions as well.
I will grant him that they aren't guaranteed to get high end talent by trading Jake, but you're a helluva lot more likely to find some with an extra 1st round pick than not. That shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.
HandshakeLine
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I mean, if it's somehow possible to trade Rust instead of Jake, you do that immediately every single day and twice on Sunday.
tom_servo
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The worst move could be the potential negative value and opportunity cost of a prohibitively generous contract.
I think this is all academic anyway as the Penguins will know what's up by the deadline.
it would be nothing new, how many years have we been doing the same thing?
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