Le Magnifique 66
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Ya Dubois is a big NO, unless the Kings ae willing to send us their 1st round pick along with him. Red flags everywhere with him
Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"
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pistolpete11
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PLD's got some major red flags.
Kadri probably wouldn't waive for the Pens. I'd imagine he'd want to go to a surefire playoff team if he's going to move.
Lindholm would rule, but yeah, a tough sell being a UFA.
If PLD wasn't such a jagoff, that would be a real interesting buy low candidate. The Kings are still in it, so they'd probably want an NHL player back, but if the Pens knew Jake wasn't going to resign.....
Malkin - Crosby - Rust
Smith - PLD - Rakell
Could be interesting.
Big Friggin Dummy
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PLD has always struck me as a "why is this guy so hyped up/valuable" guy imo. I get that he's young and has a big frame but, meh.
If Jake's dealt, you're punting on the era. There's no move out there that makes sense from a win now standpoint imo.
If Jake's dealt, you're punting on the era. There's no move out there that makes sense from a win now standpoint imo.
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This is where we can point to a bit of "detachment from reality" with Yohe, which is perhaps the least shocking thing to say on this board. We HAVE blamed the players. We blame the players all the damn time. No one is out there "oh, Malkin and Karlsson and Graves have not done a single thing wrong!" NO! By and large, the players get crucified every single game when they lose. We all see it. What Yohe is missing is that, maybe, just MAYBE after a LONG period of time where you have sustained underperformance of several players, that there is something MORE than it just being "the players".x.com
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He tweeted this in reply to someone else lol. It’s funny. “Why do we always blame the coaches and never the players?” Same could be the said for the way he talks about this team. He’s never put the onus on the coaching and has put it on everything else.
It's 100% beyond the players at this point.
The fact that Yohe can type out an article like that as a Penguins beat writer while presumably knowing all about 2009 and 2016, and detrimental effects a timed-out coach can have, and the positive effects a new coach can have is downright insulting to Penguins fans and journalism as a whole.
I mean, half the guys on that list are NOT impact players. A quarter are, a quarter are meh, and half aren't. Which means, while it's an interesting stat to look at, it's not predictive of anything.
PLD should be a hard no. That guy is who he is. There's no untapped potential there. Three teams and every one of them seems underwhelmed. There is no fire in that guy's belly.
Kadri would be interesting. I would go for that at the right price. Same with Lindholm except that I 100% Lindholm to be overpaid in FA given the lackluster center market. He's due for that Kevin Hayes at $7mil type of mistake. He's good but he's not someone you overpay for.
I've long wanted us to look for that new 2C to be groomed to be the future 1C. I think Yager could be that guy honestly. I've advocated a lot in the past for us to move Malkin to Sid's wing in the twilight years. Something like:
Jake-Sid-Malkin
Rakell-Yager-Rust
Something like that. It eases the burden on Malkin which might make him more productive and it help develop a new offensive center. The worry I have with Sullivan who is hellbent on a defensive 3rd line is that if you take a young kid and develop him into a defensive bottom 6 center, that's what he will be. If you want the Top 6 center, put the center in the top 6.
KrisLetAngry
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Big top 6 center.
He had that 10 points in 10 games in his playoffs. His second year in the NHL he scored 27 goals.
A lot of the hype is from early on. However even last year he scored his goals and got 60 points.
Lots of tools.
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re PLD: Finally on a good team, got paid, city he picked… still can’t give a shit. I will happily pass on that contract.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Pfffft... no interest in PLD. Dude has been passed around like a spliff at a Dead show and he's like... what... 25 or something? Flags everywhere with that one.
KrisLetAngry
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I just don't know if Yager is ready for something like that next year.
I don't want to put to much stock in one tournament but the world juniors is where you play against top end talent and a lot of players from that tournament go on to professional hockey especially the NHL.
Yager did not look amazing.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Yeah, I mean, I get it. I just don't think he's really worth coveting, and certainly not for a team teetering on the brink of a decade-long rebuild. Huge pass imo.
pistolpete11
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I think he's probably overhyped because he was 3OV, but big bodied, 25 year old, 25-30G 60P centers aren't available very often....unless it's PLD I guess
I'd be all over it if he didn't have all these other red flags. But he does, so not worth seriously considering.
Edit: But I think trading Jake for somebody like that is a compromise between going all in and blowing it up. It gives them a younger, immediate replacement who they won't have to give $10M to.
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Yeah and that's fair. Though, if I'm not mistaken, he lead Canada in scoring (even though totals we all relatively low).
That doesn't even have to be next year, it can be the year after when he's played in the AHL for a bit and presumably in the NHL in spurts.
AuroraBorealis
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this table should come with a caveat: "Unless they play against Penguins"
Le Magnifique 66
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Agreed, but when you think of it, playing a season in the NHL with Crosby, Malkin etc.. compared to him say playing in WBS, might not be that terrible of an idea. I think the kid showed at the WJC he can play at a high level and also is responsible defensively. He changes very quick for a junior player with that much talent, very responsible IMO
He was second to Celebrini
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I wouldn't want to harp on size - as Guentzel and even Sheary have proven themselves at the NHL level. But ....as a C....on the Pens? A team that everyone has always taken liberties on? I feel like Yager might actually be killed on the ice if we rush that.
Yes we can still compete. Yes we can do so at the cost of losing (maybe especially at that cost) Guentzel. But it starts with a legitimate top-6 forward coming in - really a 2C. You need Malkin on wing and you need him to buy-in on his focus being finishing and getting/continuing a 30+ goal pace. Bringing in someone who can line-drive 2 and score 30 of their own you won't miss Jake. But the lack of that currently PLUS the thought of losing Jake is obviously detrimental.
I know everyone is down on PLD - fair. I'm not big on it - he's just someone (likely) readily available and maybe with the added benefit of sending utter shit back. Carter for certain. Smith, likely. Then you trade Jake for your futures + and your back on a:
Rust - Sid - Puustinen/Geno
Rakell - PLD - Geno/Puustinen
The same - even better IMO - could be said about Kadri. Who knows - sell him on the next 3 years. He's got less trade protection in 2026 and would probably behoov us to move at that point anyway.
And yeah - Lindholm would be pricey and stupid for us if we're being honest. He'll cost whatever futures we've got left and a massive contract to boot.
There may very well be another C or two floating around that make sense but these seem like the cheapest options to the team. Calgary wants to rebuild by all accounts. LA freakin hates PLD there so who knows. He seemingly played better in the East.
Yes we can still compete. Yes we can do so at the cost of losing (maybe especially at that cost) Guentzel. But it starts with a legitimate top-6 forward coming in - really a 2C. You need Malkin on wing and you need him to buy-in on his focus being finishing and getting/continuing a 30+ goal pace. Bringing in someone who can line-drive 2 and score 30 of their own you won't miss Jake. But the lack of that currently PLUS the thought of losing Jake is obviously detrimental.
I know everyone is down on PLD - fair. I'm not big on it - he's just someone (likely) readily available and maybe with the added benefit of sending utter shit back. Carter for certain. Smith, likely. Then you trade Jake for your futures + and your back on a:
Rust - Sid - Puustinen/Geno
Rakell - PLD - Geno/Puustinen
The same - even better IMO - could be said about Kadri. Who knows - sell him on the next 3 years. He's got less trade protection in 2026 and would probably behoov us to move at that point anyway.
And yeah - Lindholm would be pricey and stupid for us if we're being honest. He'll cost whatever futures we've got left and a massive contract to boot.
There may very well be another C or two floating around that make sense but these seem like the cheapest options to the team. Calgary wants to rebuild by all accounts. LA freakin hates PLD there so who knows. He seemingly played better in the East.
Le Magnifique 66
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Carter is a UFA and gone after this season. We don't need to worry much about him. As for Smith, if he can be moved fine, If not, I'd gamble bringing him back next season on the final year of contract and maybe play at the spot of Jake with Sid if he has moved on. Rack up points and trade him come next deadline!
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If the rumors about Smith being unhappy here are true you kinda HAVE to move him IMO.
Big Friggin Dummy
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True, but a guy with those types of attributes wouldn't be available nearly every season if he wasn't a mess.I think he's probably overhyped because he was 3OV, but big bodied, 25 year old, 25-30G 60P centers aren't available very often....unless it's PLD I guess
I'd be all over it if he didn't have all these other red flags. But he does, so not worth seriously considering.
Edit: But I think trading Jake for somebody like that is a compromise between going all in and blowing it up. It gives them a younger, immediate replacement who they won't have to give $10M to.
It's a bit ironic that he and Laine were traded for one another because they remind me a lot of each other. Laine's accomplished more, but the same gist. Always leaves you wishing he'd hit that top gear and full potential but never seems to for whatever reason. Attitude, laziness, whatever it is. I dunno. There is no in between as far as this team goes. They've been "in between" for about five years now. They either keep Jake to placate Sid and we get more of this boring, ever-worsening slopshit hockey until Sid's done holding the franchise hostage and retires so they can move on and turn the page, or they trade Jake and accept that the era's window for competing is years in the rear view.
They kept the core together. They went out and moved dead cap to fit EK's cap hit. They gave it a swing, just let go. Let Sid age out and get to work trying to rebuild a contender. And as for "Sid might be grumpy" (not that you specifically said this, just speaking in general) thing regarding trading Jake, well, Sid can be grumpy. Oh well. This team's been all-in and the organization, fanbase, and city have treated him like a king for two decades. They've already done right by Sid, and calling it on the era a year before he might retire isn't disrespect imo.
I mean, move him anyway. Dude's a schlub.
Best for all parties.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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PLD seems like the kind of guy that would need to have a full-time drywall repairman on retainer.
Agreed. More crap this team doesn't need.
I mean, move him anyway. Dude's a schlub.
Agreed. More crap this team doesn't need.
KrisLetAngry
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Trade him for a 2nd or 3rd. Probably part of a major trade where salary comes in and salary goes out. Can see 3 teams being involved.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Love them "do all the little things" middle-6/3rd liners who actually do none of the things for $5 million AAV. The Penguins classic.
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A real jerk thing
They play the right way, but never seem to do something right, weirdly enough.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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So where's all the "tHiS tEaM mUsT gEt MoRe FrOm Rakell/Rust" articles?
Tough to pick on the guy currently on IR but might as well throw him in that pile, too.
Big Friggin Dummy
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At least the team only paid a 3rd this time instead of the usual 1st + best prospect. Baby steps.
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