Josey Wales
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no no no Jarry is much better than CDS & If you don't think so, there is nothing i can say further
Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"
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Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Difference is negligible. Definitely not 4 million dollars between these two goalies (and absolutely, most definitely, not 5 years term between them).
Also if we're talking about the time of year their performance really matters (Trade deadline onwards) the stats are pretty clear on that.
I love the Penguins! But we will never win a Cup with Jarry in net
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Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
With Shesterkin/Sorokin/Vasilevsky/Saros/Swayman/Helle, Pens easily make a run. Also think we clearly make a run with Varlamov, Ullmark, Oettinger, Bob, and Hill.
Then you have this whole category of goalies I'd be down to try, that have enough upside to oust Jarry because we already know who Jars is and how unreliable he can be.
Hart
Vejmelka
Demko
Gibson
Bennington
Vanecek
MAF
Vladar
Husso
Shit man that was so easy to come up with 20 names I'd rather have than Jarry. Wasn't this guy supposed to be a top 7 goalie in the NHL according to you guys?
Empoleon8771
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At this point, I like to steer clear of Jarry debates on here at this point because the people who don't like him are so insanely over the top about it that no logical conversation is going to be had.
One comment I will make is that it's hilarious that people criticize Jarry's bad end of season performance and playoff performance while advocating for DeSmith, who was injured and unavailable to play in both of their most recent playoff runs.
In 10 playoff games, Vanecek has a .834 save%.
Jarry has a .891 save% in 8 games for comparison.
One comment I will make is that it's hilarious that people criticize Jarry's bad end of season performance and playoff performance while advocating for DeSmith, who was injured and unavailable to play in both of their most recent playoff runs.
In 10 playoff games, Vanecek has a .834 save%.
Jarry has a .891 save% in 8 games for comparison.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
You said none of the UFA goalies are playing well but Talbot and Varlamov are both having hot starts to the season. Likely Varly wasn't going anywhere but still.
Empoleon8771
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You literally just said you'd rather have Vanecek over Jarry because Jarry is "unreliable", but Vanecek has 2012 Fleury numbers in the playoffs over his career.
So yes, I'll stand by my statement that the people who don't like Jarry are asininely over the top about it.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
This is not the good defense of Jarry that you think it is.
Okay? Take away Vanecek and you still have 19 goalies I named off the top of my head. I didn't even look at stats, there's plenty of other guys like Lindgren in Washington, Thompson in Vegas etc. The point being Jarry is a middling to bottom tier goalie. He could be replaced by a Vanecek, and no one would notice the difference.
Empoleon8771
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You're literally proving my point that the people who dislike Jarry are asininely over the top about it. I don't see any benefit in having a discussion about Jarry on here because of how emotionally driven it is.
ChaosAgent
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Just was working on Excel and referenced a cell EK65. Locked the cell with $ek because he is MONEY
Buddy Bizarre
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You literally just described Jarry. His highs are high and his lows are very low.
Both CDS and Jarry have been unavailable during the last couple playoffs as well
The difference? One is $4M more...
Buddy Bizarre
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And I find it funny that people attribute me pointing out a player's shortcomings as me "disliking" them. But I guess you could say that I dislike goalies who are also unavailable (that would be Jarry) during our last playoff run, right?
I'd also like to point out that I didn't advocate for CDS. I said he was a viable alternative until they could potentially find something else later in the season. But that involves nuance instead of attempting to thinslice that I think CDS is better than Jarry
Forums are funny sometimes...
Maninthebox87
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I agree Jarry is having a pretty good start to the year but I want more from him when it counts. My biggest issue with him is other than that islanders series he’s never been 100% going into the playoffs. That one game he played in the bubble against Montreal I feel like was one of his best playoff performances and even though it was a loss he showed promise.
Adin Hill and Charlie Lindgren (.939 and .947 save % respectively) are proof positive that there was absolutely no need to resign Jarry to that asinine contract lol
Gurglesons
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Jarry is providing what I expected of him. Up and down performances that look good stat wise. Same goalie he has always been.
Maninthebox87
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I think barring any trades this offseason Jarry was the best option. If we trade for a goalie we probably don’t end up with karlsson.
Buddy Bizarre
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This drives my point home. Outside of maybe 4 dudes in this league, goalies are all over the map with performance and injuries year over year. Jarry isn't 1 of the 4 goalies I've alluded to.
So that begs the question: why hitch your wagon for so long at such a price when it's an unpredictable atmosphere in which a goalie will perform year over year? It's a premium price for a unpredictable product.
Why would I pay the Lexus price for the Chevy even if that's the market for Chevys due to inflation? For an NFL comparison, why would I pay Lamar Jackson's price tag for Zach Wilson?
Dubas didn't have to sign Jarry. There was no gun to his head. It's not like there are only 30 goalies in which to choose from and he had to sign SOMEONE.
And it's insane that people are whitewashing Jarry's history. He was MAF level bad during the Isles. Then he couldn't even suit up vs the Rags. I ask them to name the last game he stole...no one can come up with anything. The do or die game vs the Hawks? Yea the team played poorly but if there was any time for Jarry to stand on his head and carry the team that was it. He laid a turd on the ice with the rest of his teammates.
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Buddy Bizarre
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Want to take a guess at Jarry's career SV? I've excluded this year (11 games) as well as first year (1 game)?
It's .908
tom_servo
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He hasn't played enough games this year to move his career average that dramatically.
I removed this season and his career average came to .913
Buddy Bizarre
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Unsure where the discrepancy comes from. I pulled my data from here: Tristan Jarry Stats And News
I understand small sample sizes for Lindgren (Jarry has played 3x many games) but is .913 vs .909 worth an extra $4M? That of course presumes their numbers stay static through 2023-24.
Maninthebox87
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Let’s say Jarry craps the bed and they decide he isn’t the guy… what in this hypothetical situation can be done? Do we have a Campbell situation like Edmonton or is he totally unmovable.
Jarry has the tools to be a very good goalie. Yes his health has been an issue, but his game when he is healthy and engaged is very good. He was hurt for the Rangers series and Pen win with him in goal. they win in 5 with a healthy Sid and Rakell. Last year was just a season of bad decisions filtering down the system. Dubas has changed that as much as he can. But he sees Jarry as what he can bring and goalies that can play at a near elite level as just hard to find. Do I think that contract was a little much, yes. But they have insights into players and they do have confidence he can rise to the occasion. Like Barasso said, my goal was to keep the goals against to 4 or less. Pens are not a franchise under two different owners that play D as the primary consideration. His job is to make the big or timely save, not to be the Vezina winner.
Buddy Bizarre
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Jarry HAD the tools to be a very good goalie. I'm on record here defending the dude since he was in WBS. He was very good, then suffered through some young goalie struggles but rebounded.
Then, I can't remember when but he injured his shoulder. That was the beginning of the end physically for him. Jarry was probably the 2nd best goalie in the league at handling the puck. Remember he'd hit those breakout passes to the other blue line? Teams were afraid to dump the puck in he was that good at it. Tell me the last time we've seen him play the puck like that in the past 2 years? Bet you can't find 1 single clip of it.
After his shoulder injury "healed" he was never the same. I think that was just before the Isles meltdown and I'm convinced that if he doesn't have that injury, that pass he gave away in OT doesn't happen and he's got enough heat on that clear to get past the defender's stick. He now has a self proclaimed "lingering core injury".
Once goalies are injured like that, everything is off balance and they start overcompensating with their stance and their depth. Then pucks start going in and the confidence goes down the toilet. This is Matt Murray all over again...book it.
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