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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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tom_servo said:
Thank you very much.

I did look it up but I was also counting on you to educate us.
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Yea this came en vogue about 6-7 years ago. I play net and resisted incorporating it (1. Bc I don't like change and 2. I thought it was silly)

Buuuuut...as I've gotten older I've realized that I can't play my standup/butterfly hybrid anymore. It's killer on my back and knees so I started doing the VH and reverse VH even in unconventional situations a couple of years ago. Have to say it's helped me tremendously with saving my body and saving pucks. Note that I would never attempt that maneuver on a 2 on 1 like we saw last night. I'm 100% butterflying
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Unsure if it was you, but I've said this previously
Neds and CDS as a tandem which saves you ~$4m. The results may not be exactly the same as Jarry/Ned, but it's not going to be $4M better.

They could have kept that money to trade for a goalie that's out of the playoff picture down the line

OR

They could have added another solid middle 6 winger for that money
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3ladesof5teel said:
That's a really scary combo to rely on whether you like or dislike Jarry.

I am fine with a healthy confident Jarry. Problem is that's not what we have had the past few years. So far he has been better than most have expected.
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Empoleon8771 said:
The idea of running with Nedjelkovic-DeSmith is still just as bad of an idea now as it was then.

The contract Dubas gave Jarry stunk but bringing back Jarry was 100% the correct decision, based on how awful the other UFA goalies have been. He should have gotten like 2 years at $5 million, not 5 years.
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I watched CDS last night with the Cannucks. Yes it was a back to back but CDS looked horrible. We probably lose 7 2 with
Him last night.
 
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Josey Wales said:
Go Talk to FSG Bean Counters they were ok with the Contract that Dubas offered Jarry's Agent BUT of Course a poster on internet board knows better than people in charge of of a Multi Billion dollar company
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You are correct that FSG is big on stats.

They're also big on letting their sports staffs handle their business on their own unless otherwise needed.

FSG didn't tell Boston's general manager to trade Mookie Betts or to sign Rafael Devers to a massive contract. FSG doesn't tell Jurgen Klopp and Liverpool who to sign or who to let go on the transfer market.

Kyle Dubas made the decision about Jarry. Period. Whether it works out or not will ultimately reflect on Dubas and the Pens' staff, including Sullivan. Not FSG.

FSG's only gets involved when they need to make a final push, and that usually happens with Liverpool, where the whole transfer process is much more of a big show.
 
Saw Ned was getting the start tonite for Wilkes Barre. Hopefully he can come back and be a little friendly competition for Jarry. Seems like In the Crosby/Malkin era they were always at their best when there was competition in net. Fleury/Conklin,Fleury/Vokoun,Fleury/Murray,Murray/Jarry.
 
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I have to kinda question the whole "FSG is cold, emotionless, analytical, and decisions are based on wins/stats" thing when they preemptively extended a coach, two years before his current deal was even up, immediately following his team's fourth consecutive 1st round exit.

They seem pretty tied to emotions thus far with how they've conducted themselves with the Sullivan extension and how they immediately dropped everything and shamelessly threw themselves at the feet of Dubas after two weeks of prior interviews/etc. :laugh:
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
I have to kinda question the whole "FSG is cold, emotionless, analytical, and decisions are based on wins/stats" thing when they preemptively extended a coach, two years before his current deal was even up, immediately following his team's fourth consecutive 1st round exit.

They seem pretty tied to emotions thus far with how they've conducted themselves with the Sullivan extension and how they immediately dropped everything and shamelessly threw themselves at the feet of Dubas after two weeks of prior interviews/etc. :laugh:
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That's probably due to them being new to hockey. They get swayed easily by whoever talks a good game.
As they gain more experience and accrue more failures, their process will improve.
 
Great and all but having one line only that scores 5v5 isn’t going to win anything, just like last season…someone tell Sid and move Rust down to L2 and Rakell up and let’s try to get two or three lines rolling….Carolina lost last game and Brindamour was mixing his lines up in the third period and trying it again in practice for tonight’s game…and crickets from Sullivan per usual….

 
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Very successful people value smarts more than anything. FSG really liked Sullivan for his smarts and same with Dubas. what they do as to decision making is about the best decisions possible. Do all decisions work out? No. But If the Pens are to be successful, hiring smart people will give them the best chance to do so. Taking risk is part of the process. Jarry is a risk but could be a reward as well. I think what Dubas does with Guentzel will determine just how he thinks both short and long term. Rational decision making requires not only the data, but a feel as well from experience.
 
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does anyway know how long until Hellberg ha to pass through waivers again?

I think there's a number of days/games they can be on the NHL roster before having to go om waivers again.

Not thar hes a world beater. But seeing what some of the team are running as backups atm I think there's a good chance he'll get claimed. Bigger chance this time since more teams have injuries now
 
Given that Laine has been benched, has 2G, 1A on season, and given that we have a distinct lack of finishing, especially on the PP, would anyone trade Rakell for him, with CBJ retaining?
 
Andy99 said:
Given that Laine has been benched, has 2G, 1A on season, and given that we have a distinct lack of finishing, especially on the PP, would anyone trade Rakell for him, with CBJ retaining?
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Hard to say. Guarantee Laine would struggle with Malkin and he would never take a shift with Sid. Could help the powerplay a ton - doubt Columbus would do any deals with their fake rival though.
 
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Andy99 said:
Given that Laine has been benched, has 2G, 1A on season, and given that we have a distinct lack of finishing, especially on the PP, would anyone trade Rakell for him, with CBJ retaining?
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Nope.

If the Pens didn't have one of Crosby and Malkin, sure. But in my opinion, Laine needs the puck on his stick and can't play well off of others. It's why he's struggling again in Columbus, and why he'd struggle here. Crosby and Malkin want the puck on their stick and to play with guys who will give and go, either on the rush or in short spaces.
 
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Andy99 said:
Given that Laine has been benched, has 2G, 1A on season, and given that we have a distinct lack of finishing, especially on the PP, would anyone trade Rakell for him, with CBJ retaining?
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Laine is one of those players who looks better on paper than as a contributor to winning.
Offense-only and needs to have things around him a particular way - nope. He and Malkin would get hemmed every shift. Might work with Crosby though.
 
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I dunno. Laine's got the physical build and talent to be a consistent 40-50g guy but he's just kind of a bum. If you can find a coach who can motivate him and get the best out of him, I think he'd be on the short list of the best goal scorers in the game, but not sure that coach exists, and it sure as shit ain't Sullivan. :laugh: Also, feels like he's always injured.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
I dunno. Laine's got the physical build and talent to be a consistent 40-50g guy but he's just kind of a bum. If you can find a coach who can motivate him and get the best out of him, I think he'd be on the short list of the best goal scorers in the game, but not sure that coach exists, and it sure as shit ain't Sullivan. :laugh: Also, feels like he's always injured.
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I feel like people act like Laine’s been bad when he’s got like 40 goals and 100 points in the two previous seasons combined when he played like 105 games.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
I dunno. Laine's got the physical build and talent to be a consistent 40-50g guy but he's just kind of a bum. If you can find a coach who can motivate him and get the best out of him, I think he'd be on the short list of the best goal scorers in the game, but not sure that coach exists, and it sure as shit ain't Sullivan. :laugh: Also, feels like he's always injured.
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Laine strikes me as the type who plays hockey because he's naturally good at it and can become filthy rich doing it, rather than someone who actually cares about working on his game to be the best he can possibly be at it.

If he actually had a work ethic/desire to be the best, he'd probably be a Pastrnak-type.
 
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