Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

[tom_servo]

Unsure where the discrepancy comes from. I pulled my data from here: Tristan Jarry Stats And News

I understand small sample sizes for Lindgren (Jarry has played 3x many games) but is .913 vs .909 worth an extra $4M? That of course presumes their numbers stay static through 2023-24.

Numbers are the same, just remove this year's shots against and saves from his career totals and divide the two.

I don't necessarily think it's worth it in a vacuum. Using Jarry's 1711 shots against in '22, the difference between .913 and .908 is about 8 goals (his actual performance that year was .919).

Availability is a factor. Adin Hill is not available. Linus Ullmark (other people wanted) is not available. So you do have to consider the goalie pool along with proof of performance to some degree.

I was critical of the Jarry deal like everyone else. Not a crippler if he's above league average, but he is pretty average. Other teams also play the bargain goalie game with mixed results. It's a position based on astrological signs as much as anything.

 

[Zbynek]

I think barring any trades this offseason Jarry was the best option. If we trade for a goalie we probably don’t end up with karlsson.

That's a good point, EK65 was clearly his main move. You don't pull off a Helle (or even Vejmelka, Hart) trade while balancing all the moving parts that came with the Karlsson trade.

And so, re-signing Jarry was Dubas' easy solution at goalie, without giving up assets or his focus on Mike Grier's line.

But if Jarry at 5 years was the only option on the table, one has to wonder about an option C: going bare-bones at the goalie position (at the very least in the short-term) until an option better than Jarry at 5x5.375 presents itself.

Dubas played it "safe" and chose the Jarry marriage route.

 

[Ryder71]

Jarry is providing what I expected of him. Up and down performances that look good stat wise. Same goalie he has always been.

Yep, pretty much.

I think barring any trades this offseason Jarry was the best option. If we trade for a goalie we probably don’t end up with karlsson.

So 26 posts in nine years, what the hell?

 

[Maninthebox87]

Longtime lurker I would usually frequent the site to read up on trade rumors and to read the opinions of other like minded people.

 

[Freeptop]

Something to monitor in the near future - when they activate Ned and send Hellberg back down, they will be up against the cap.

Which means when Ludvig is ready, someone else is going to have to go - or he's going to have to go down. I believe Sullivan said Ludvig will go on a conditioning assignment, so that will kick the can down the road a little bit, but at some point probably in early December they're going to have make a decision on whether to send one of Ludvig/Shea through waivers to send them down to the AHL or send back Hinostroza and keep 8 defensemen.

Or hope there is an injury. Or trade POJ or Ruhwedel.

I mean, we're talking about the Penguins here. Given how relatively injury-free this season has been so far, I put it at better than even odds that three more players will be eligible for LTIR before both Nedjelkovic and Ludvig are ready to be re-activated!

 

[PensandCaps]

Yea, can't complain with these numbers...
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[TD]GAA 2.31[/TD]
[TD]SV% 0.918[/TD]
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Not all that great when he is either giving you a shutout, or looking like garbage.

With 4 shutouts, he should look better than a 918 save percentage, especially this early.

With Shesterkin/Sorokin/Vasilevsky/Saros/Swayman/Helle, Pens easily make a run. Also think we clearly make a run with Varlamov, Ullmark, Oettinger, Bob, and Hill.

Then you have this whole category of goalies I'd be down to try, that have enough upside to oust Jarry because we already know who Jars is and how unreliable he can be.

Hart
Vejmelka
Demko
Gibson
Bennington
Vanecek
MAF
Vladar
Husso

Shit man that was so easy to come up with 20 names I'd rather have than Jarry. Wasn't this guy supposed to be a top 7 goalie in the NHL according to you guys?

Like 9 of those goalies are terrible or meh.

None of the names you listed are Definitely better than Jarry.

Only Demko and Hart are goalies I'd maybe take. Even then, Demko and Hart's numbers aren't even better.

 

[66-30-33]

If Carter agreed to go to Calgary what about someone like Coleman (retained) for line 3? more offense on the 3rd line.

Coleman-Eller-Zo

 

[Ulf5]

If Carter agreed to go to Calgary what about someone like Coleman (retained) for line 3? more offense on the 3rd line.

Coleman-Eller-Zo

Calgary only has 2 defensemen signed past this season I believe. Can something be worked around POJ, DOC, a higher pick (something window, window gonna slam shut) for Dube and retention?

 

[Ryder71]

If Carter agreed to go to Calgary what about someone like Coleman (retained) for line 3? more offense on the 3rd line.

Coleman-Eller-Zo

Why would he agree to go there? Also what other assets could we realistically offer up?

Calgary only has 2 defensemen signed past this season I believe. Can something be worked around POJ, DOC, a higher pick (something window, window gonna slam shut) for Dube and retention?

DOC and POJ aren't exactly gonna command much in return, therein lies the issue. Maybe getting a veteran on an expiring contract but likely no one very special.

 

[66-30-33]

Calgary only has 2 defensemen signed past this season I believe. Can something be worked around POJ, DOC, a higher pick (something window, window gonna slam shut) for Dube and retention?

Don't know much about Dube.

Why would he agree to go there? Also what other assets could we realistically offer up?

Because I want him to.

 

[Ryder71]

Don't know much about Dube.


Because I want him to.

You'll get nothing and like it!

Longtime lurker I would usually frequent the site to read up on trade rumors and to read the opinions of other like minded people.

Great to have you, so what brought you out of your hiatus?

 

[Maninthebox87]

Great to have you, so what brought you out of your hiatus?

Just enjoying the chance to get to talk hockey and this offseason was refreshing to see some of the changes that they made. I think reading some of the things people post I’m like hey I think that too!

 

[Headshot77]

I'm just glad we gave Jarry 5x5 instead of Jack Campbell. WOOF.

 

[Ryder71]

What was our best game of the year, COL, Anaheim, BUF? Our best game doesn't beat this team.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I'm just glad we gave Jarry 5x5 instead of Jack Campbell. WOOF.

I was informed that CDS couldn't do what Jarry did last night

 

[AuroraBorealis]

What was our best game of the year, COL, Anaheim, BUF? Our best game doesn't beat this team.

Washington was pretty good as well.
The correct answer's probably Colorado.
Buffalo was on a back-to-back and Anaheim are kind of riding 3rd period comeback heroics, which are unsustainable.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Not all that great when he is either giving you a shutout, or looking like garbage.

With 4 shutouts, he should look better than a 918 save percentage, especially this early.

The issue is that people are just looking at goalie stats. It's almost impossible to judge a goalie by this metric.
How do you measure "timely saves" or "backbreaking goals" against? That first goal was absolutely putrid and it made the Devils believe they could win this game.

I know what he was trying to attempt: a V-H. But even that position save selection is incorrect in this scenario. He only needs to butterfly and it's a harmless shot.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

no no no Jarry is much better than CDS & If you don't think so, there is nothing i can say further

Jarry looked WORSE than CDS last night eh?

 

[tom_servo]

I know what he was trying to attempt: a V-H. But even that position save selection is incorrect in this scenario. He only needs to butterfly and it's a harmless shot.

A Van Halen?

 

[Josey Wales]

Jarry looked WORSE than CDS last night eh?

CDS sucks Get over your Delusions

 

[DrDangles]

Why is this team only allowed to ever have one sandpaper type guy at a time?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

A Van Halen?

There is the VH and there is the Reverse VH (as outlined below)

What is the reverse VH position?

When a goalie is in the RVH position, their leg on the post side lies flat on the ice, with the skate blade touching the post. On the left post, the left leg is flat on the ice with the pad sealing. On the right side of the net, the goalies right leg is flat.

CDS sucks Get over your Delusions

CDS is no worse than Jarry
And I'm no CDS fan by any stretch...

 

[Josey Wales]

There is the VH and there is the Reverse VH (as outlined below)

What is the reverse VH position?

When a goalie is in the RVH position, their leg on the post side lies flat on the ice, with the skate blade touching the post. On the left post, the left leg is flat on the ice with the pad sealing. On the right side of the net, the goalies right leg is flat.



CDS is no worse than Jarry
And I'm no CDS fan by any stretch...

No you Hate Jarry

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

No you Hate Jarry

If hating goalies that are physically shot and mentally weak, then yes I 'll agree that I hate him.

When Jarry steals a game, please let me know. I know to not hold my breath. But continue on with the goalie stat sniffing and Jarry fluffing.

 

[Josey Wales]

If hating goalies that are physically shot and mentally weak, then yes I 'll agree that I hate him.

When Jarry steals a game, please let me know. I know to not hold my breath. But continue on with the goalie stat sniffing and Jarry fluffing.

Go Talk to FSG Bean Counters they were ok with the Contract that Dubas offered Jarry's Agent BUT of Course a poster on internet board knows better than people in charge of of a Multi Billion dollar company