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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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Not that I’d be actively looking to trade Rakell but would find it humorous if Dubas totally cleaned anything that has Hextalls fingerprints on it.
 
Rakell does to many things away from the puck that are valuable. Plus he will score eventually as his skill is just too good. He is a better fit to Sid and Sully just won't see that. Rust has a NMC which goes away after next year. He will be moved as Dubas makes the changes after next year. Yes POJ moved opens up Shea as LD,
 
Headshot77 said:
Dubas threw a whole bunch of **** at the wall and so far all that stuck is... Hinostroza and Zohorna? As far as depth goes Dubas went like 2/10 on the off-season so far lmao. But at least he tried unlike Hextall.
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Personally, I'm fine with the throw shit at the wall approach for the bottom 6. Churn through guys with contracts that don't handcuff you greatly. That way you can keep them hungry by way of making them feel disposable.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
On trading POJ, I wouldn't mind if Dubas just tries to get a draft pick or prospect back for him just to clear up a roster spot. Like I mentioned in the PGT yesterday, I like the bottom-6 forwards they have right now and don't really see a need to add anyone to displace any of those guys. Things can obviously change with injuries or poor play, but I don't really see a need to make another bottom-6 addition right now.

With who they have right now, they have the flexibility to run with quite a few different options. You know that:

-Zohorna can play C or LW definitely, possibly RW as well
-O'Connor can play all 3 forward positions definitely
-Acciari can play C or RW definitely
-Nieto can play LW or RW definitely

I also fiure that Hinostroza has position flexibility as well, we just haven't seen it yet. The point is that you can get creative with the bottom-6 guys they have if things start to stagnate. My concern with their depth guys is that they don't really have anyone beyond those 6 guys that I'm all that excited about. Poulin's the best guy after that, but he's not exactly lighting the world on fire.



What? The depth additions Dubas has made have been terrific. Hinostroza, Zohorna and Shea have all had positive impacts on the NHL team as regulars, and Hellberg has been very good as a 3rd goalie. The crown jewel of all of it is Eller, who has been the best 3C for the Penguins since Bonino. Nedjelkovic also probably counts as a "depth addition" as well, and he's been a good backup. Ludvig also looks promising.

Absolutely bizarre criticism of him. The Penguins bottom-6 this year has been shockingly good, considering how little money is being spent on it.

The only guys he really "struck out" on were Johnsson and Harkins, but Johnsson isn't in the organization anymore and Harkins is at least good for the AHL team.



It wasn't just good, it was the best off-season a Penguins GM has had since JR's 2015 off-season.
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When you factor in the trash contracts he was handicapped with, it was quite a good job really.
 
chethejet said:
Rakell does to many things away from the puck that are valuable. Plus he will score eventually as his skill is just too good. He is a better fit to Sid and Sully just won't see that. Rust has a NMC which goes away after next year. He will be moved as Dubas makes the changes after next year. Yes POJ moved opens up Shea as LD,
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Sid likes playing with Rust better or Rakell would be on his line…Sullivan is just too cowardly (read: knows where his bread is buttered) to do anything about it, even if he suspects the team would as a whole be better off with Rakell on L1…
 
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“There have been 65 defense pairings that have logged at least 100 minutes of 5-on-5 ice-time so far this season, and the Karlsson-Pettersson pairing consistently pops up near the top of pretty much every major category.

They have the league’s best goal-differential at 5-on-5, outscoring teams by a 16-4 margin in their 5-on-5 minutes.

They are also in the top-10 for shot attempt share (56.3 percent), expected goal share (59.9 percent), scoring chance share (61.4 percent), and high-danger scoring chance share (66.7 percent).

Basically, when they are on the ice the Penguins are controlling every aspect of the game and dominating on the scoreboard.”

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The Erik Karlsson-Marcus Pettersson pairing has been one of NHL’s best

The numbers are jumping off the page.
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I was a fan of Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell myself but as they are on a winning streak I understand they probably don’t want to tinker with the lineup. Rakell will probably have himself a hot streak and score in bunches I still think he hits 20-25 this year.
 
Josey Wales said:
what did you expect him to do for a Goalie ?
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Unsure if it was you, but I've said this previously
Neds and CDS as a tandem which saves you ~$4m. The results may not be exactly the same as Jarry/Ned, but it's not going to be $4M better.

They could have kept that money to trade for a goalie that's out of the playoff picture down the line

OR

They could have added another solid middle 6 winger for that money
 
Andy99 said:
“There have been 65 defense pairings that have logged at least 100 minutes of 5-on-5 ice-time so far this season, and the Karlsson-Pettersson pairing consistently pops up near the top of pretty much every major category.

They have the league’s best goal-differential at 5-on-5, outscoring teams by a 16-4 margin in their 5-on-5 minutes.

They are also in the top-10 for shot attempt share (56.3 percent), expected goal share (59.9 percent), scoring chance share (61.4 percent), and high-danger scoring chance share (66.7 percent).

Basically, when they are on the ice the Penguins are controlling every aspect of the game and dominating on the scoreboard.”

www.pensburgh.com

The Erik Karlsson-Marcus Pettersson pairing has been one of NHL’s best

The numbers are jumping off the page.
www.pensburgh.com www.pensburgh.com
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Not a surprise at all, when EK has the puck on his stick good things happen more than not. This was the biggest thing I mentioned he would bring to the team.

You spend more time carrying play and your opponent doesn't have as many chances guy is a stud and we are extremely lucky to have him. He has more impact on the team than any player we could have brought in the offseason, offensively or defensively
 
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I thought when we let Jarry get to the start of free agency he was a goner especially with all of the rumors of available goaltenders…. Although I believe all of the Karlsson rumblings started around then too so maybe that changed everything.
 
Buddy Bizarre said:
Unsure if it was you, but I've said this previously
Neds and CDS as a tandem which saves you ~$4m. The results may not be exactly the same as Jarry/Ned, but it's not going to be $4M better.

They could have kept that money to trade for a goalie that's out of the playoff picture down the line

OR

They could have added another solid middle 6 winger for that money
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That's a really scary combo to rely on whether you like or dislike Jarry.

I am fine with a healthy confident Jarry. Problem is that's not what we have had the past few years. So far he has been better than most have expected.
 
3ladesof5teel said:
That's a really scary combo to rely on whether you like or dislike Jarry.

I am fine with a healthy confident Jarry. Problem is that's not what we have had the past few years. So far he has been better than most have expected.
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Like or dislike has nothing to do with it

He's an unreliable goalie from an availability and performance standpoint
If you look at his stats you'll say "oh yea that contract was in line with the market"

But you cannot evaluate goalies on stats alone. He's got some sort of lingering/long term injury issue and he's a big part of all the blown leads.

If you look at Jarry from his first season and look at him now, he's not the same guy mentally or physically.

And for that, I'd rather spend my $5M (with an asinine NTC) elsewhere.
 
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Jarry is a hit or miss, above average goalie that is paid accordingly

You can hate the term on the deal but the AAV was fine and that's probably what 1B goalies will get towards the end of it with the cap going up the next few years

The deal will look fine as long as they keep a competent (and healthy) backup behind him and play with some structure

He was their best option this offseason, weird to rehash it...

...folks would be complaining at spending 8M and assets on a surefire goalie or mad at the other hit or miss 5-6M guy they swapped him for
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Unsure if it was you, but I've said this previously
Neds and CDS as a tandem which saves you ~$4m. The results may not be exactly the same as Jarry/Ned, but it's not going to be $4M better.

They could have kept that money to trade for a goalie that's out of the playoff picture down the line

OR

They could have added another solid middle 6 winger for that money
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CDS Blows He is the little girl with the Curl, when he is good he is very very good & when he is bad he is very very bad, If Neds would have gotten hurt for a long stretch & CDS is in the shit the bed phase that would sink the season
 
Empoleon8771 said:
The idea of running with Nedjelkovic-DeSmith is still just as bad of an idea now as it was then.

The contract Dubas gave Jarry stunk but bringing back Jarry was 100% the correct decision, based on how awful the other UFA goalies have been. He should have gotten like 2 years at $5 million, not 5 years.
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Agreed, looking at it now it makes the most sense. The thing is we just for some reason all believed he was going to let him hit UFA.

Personally I was hoping for Korpisalo, and so far I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision for him lol.

Maninthebox87 said:
Yeah not knocking on Rakell but I feel like either him or rust are the only top 6 that would fetch anything decent. I’d like to keep Guentzel for as long as Sid is around.
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Guentzel should be kept around and given a long term contract, once everyone is gone he can be the leader for the younger players and even perhaps be the captain IMO
 
Yeah the pairing made A LOT of sense. We all knew Karlsson would be good. I'm just thankful that Pettersson continued his solid play. He was up, down, up, down a little bit throughout his career but he's settling out to be a fantastic #2D. Thankfully JR had the foresight to lock him up for that long at a decent hit!
 
Tristan Jarry friggin stinks but it's OK because Magnus Hellberg is going to get hot in March-April.

Josey Wales said:
CDS Blows He is the little girl with the Curl, when he is good he is very very good & when he is bad he is very very bad, If Neds would have gotten hurt for a long stretch & CDS is in the shit the bed phase that would sink the season
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Hmmm...Sounds familiar.
 
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