Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

[Gurglesons]

I think Jake taking such a low deal for his prime could see him chase money for this next contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

Here are the comparable players point wise to Jake over the last 3 seasons..

Tage Thompson
Ovechkin
Jack Hughes
Point
Pavelski
Fiala

Goal wise.

Tkachuk
Kempe
Nylander
Stamkos
Hintz
Mackinnon

Contracts in order

Thompson - 7.14
Ovechkin- 9.5
Hughes - 8
Point - 9.5
Pavelski - 5.5
Fiala - 7.875
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil
Kempe - 5.5
Nylander - 6.92
Stamkos - 8.5
Hintz - 8.45
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil

If he gets 7 mil I'll be shocked.

If he takes a discount it's likely in the 8s given his age and what he has done. With the cap increase he should be pushing 9-10.

 

[SEALBound]

I think Jake taking such a low deal for his prime could see him chase money for this next contract.

Nah, that 6x6 was in line with what he should have got at the time.

I can see Sid's influence bringing him down to something tolerable.

 

[Gurglesons]

Nah, that 6x6 was in line with what he should have got at the time.

I can see Sid's influence bringing him down to something tolerable.

6x5*.

It may have been "in line", but he then produced like a top 30 player in the NHL.

Look at the players he is around for the majority of that contract and what they have been signing for.

 

[McGroarty2]

Here are the comparable players point wise to Jake over the last 3 seasons..

Tage Thompson
Ovechkin
Jack Hughes
Point
Pavelski
Fiala

Goal wise.

Tkachuk
Kempe
Nylander
Stamkos
Hintz
Mackinnon

Contracts in order

Thompson - 7.14
Ovechkin- 9.5
Hughes - 8
Point - 9.5
Pavelski - 5.5
Fiala - 7.875
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil
Kempe - 5.5
Nylander - 6.92
Stamkos - 8.5
Hintz - 8.45
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil

If he gets 7 mil I'll be shocked.

If he takes a discount it's likely in the 8s given his age and what he has done. With the cap increase he should be pushing 9-10.

I want Kempe.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Here are the comparable players point wise to Jake over the last 3 seasons..

Tage Thompson
Ovechkin
Jack Hughes
Point
Pavelski
Fiala

Goal wise.

Tkachuk
Kempe
Nylander
Stamkos
Hintz
Mackinnon

Contracts in order

Thompson - 7.14
Ovechkin- 9.5
Hughes - 8
Point - 9.5
Pavelski - 5.5
Fiala - 7.875
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil
Kempe - 5.5
Nylander - 6.92
Stamkos - 8.5
Hintz - 8.45
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil

If he gets 7 mil I'll be shocked.

If he takes a discount it's likely in the 8s given his age and what he has done. With the cap increase he should be pushing 9-10.

I have him around $8.25 to 9.25 million. He'll be around Hughes/Hintz if he stays with the Pens. He'll push close to Point/Tkachuck - but not quite get there - if he hits the open market.

There is always the chance someone gets desperate, but I don't think it'll hit that stage.

If he's healthy and producing, I wouldn't be surprised for a contract to be done with the Pens by the trade deadline in an effort to get cost certainty for potential deadline deals.

 

[SEALBound]

Here are the comparable players point wise to Jake over the last 3 seasons..

Tage Thompson
Ovechkin
Jack Hughes
Point
Pavelski
Fiala

Goal wise.

Tkachuk
Kempe
Nylander
Stamkos
Hintz
Mackinnon

Contracts in order

Thompson - 7.14
Ovechkin- 9.5
Hughes - 8
Point - 9.5
Pavelski - 5.5
Fiala - 7.875
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil
Kempe - 5.5
Nylander - 6.92
Stamkos - 8.5
Hintz - 8.45
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil

If he gets 7 mil I'll be shocked.

If he takes a discount it's likely in the 8s given his age and what he has done. With the cap increase he should be pushing 9-10.

Thompson - 7.14 - Good comparison, realistic contract that's fair for both sides.
Ovechkin- 9.5 - Jake ain't Ovie. Goals or not. So no.
Hughes - 8 - Hughes is also a center that is driving play at an elite level. Jake isn't. So no.
Point - 9.5 - Point is a center that helped lead the TBL to two cups. Like Hughes, he's a play driving center.
Pavelski - 5.5 - Pavs took the cut after he got old. At Jake's age, he signed at $7mil which is about $8.1375mil today. Not a terrible comparison.
Fiala - 7.875 - Good comparison.
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil - Jake doesn't do a lot of the stuff Tkachuck does. So no.
Kempe - 5.5 - Too low. Jake's been producing for much longer.
Nylander - 6.92 - I thought that was high for Nylander and now he's about to get $10mil+
Stamkos - 8.5 - Stammer was a play driving center.
Hintz - 8.45 - Again, a play driving center.
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil - Not going to even say it.

Stats aren't everything. The Thompson and Fiala contracts are good measures. Based on them, I could easily see a $8mil x 6yr deal.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Jake probably ends up around $9 million AAV, plus or minus a couple hundred thousand. Just really depends on the term, and how restrictive the NTC is gonna be.

Fully expecting this team to shoot itself in the foot by locking into a dude who is gonna be an albatross after Sid retires and they look to eventually move him. Can't wait.

 

[Gurglesons]

Thompson - 7.14 - Good comparison, realistic contract that's fair for both sides.
Ovechkin- 9.5 - Jake ain't Ovie. Goals or not. So no.
Hughes - 8 - Hughes is also a center that is driving play at an elite level. Jake isn't. So no.
Point - 9.5 - Point is a center that helped lead the TBL to two cups. Like Hughes, he's a play driving center.
Pavelski - 5.5 - Pavs took the cut after he got old. At Jake's age, he signed at $7mil which is about $8.1375mil today. Not a terrible comparison.
Fiala - 7.875 - Good comparison.
Tkachuck - 9.5 mil - Jake doesn't do a lot of the stuff Tkachuck does. So no.
Kempe - 5.5 - Too low. Jake's been producing for much longer.
Nylander - 6.92 - I thought that was high for Nylander and now he's about to get $10mil+
Stamkos - 8.5 - Stammer was a play driving center.
Hintz - 8.45 - Again, a play driving center.
MacKinnon - 12.6 mil - Not going to even say it.

Stats aren't everything. The Thompson and Fiala contracts are good measures. Based on them, I could easily see a $8mil x 6yr deal.

Thompson signed his deal after one good year.

Fiala too.

8 mil is a discount. I could see it, but once again the original post said 7.

 

[IcedCapp]

isn't Jake the top goal scorer for his draft class or something?

I don't care what some people on this board says, Toronto would have given him $14MM AAV.

okay, just kidding, but he's definitely closer to a 10MM/year player than not.

It's weird how some take what he does for granted, given how many of those same people were constantly upset about the Kunitz/Dupuis era

edit:

I think he re-signs with the Pens for less than 10/year and then he gets moved in 3 years. I assume all of this will be understood at the time of signing

edit2:

he'll get a good sized- NTC list, so that he can pick the contender he wants to go to.

 

[The Old Master]

cappy, what's up with kirk? asking for a friend.

 

[IcedCapp]

you'd have to ask @ColePens, i haven't talked to Kirk in ... years. I might still have his email laying around somewhere, but Cole still talks to him regular AFAIK.

(but, as far as I know, Kirk is simply more concerned with family life than complaining about the Pens)

 

[chethejet]

Jake played with Sid in his decreasing prime and no other player listed did that. Jake simply isn't the player Sid needs at this point. But I also have to think Sid is done in 2 years and then the sale begins. Dubas will move players who no longer fit the narrative of roster improvement.

 

[Andy99]

you'd have to ask @ColePens, i haven't talked to Kirk in ... years. I might still have his email laying around somewhere, but Cole still talks to him regular AFAIK.

(but, as far as I know, Kirk is simply more concerned with family life than complaining about the Pens)

How dare he…total priorities are all wrong lol

 

[ChaosAgent]

I think Landeskog's contract is a fair comp for Jake.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

you'd have to ask @ColePens, i haven't talked to Kirk in ... years. I might still have his email laying around somewhere, but Cole still talks to him regular AFAIK.

(but, as far as I know, Kirk is simply more concerned with family life than complaining about the Pens)

Family over HF? I knew something was off with Kirk.

 

[The Old Master]

Family over HF? I knew something was off with Kirk.

I didn't think anyone on hf was that smart,

 

[BHD]

Pretty sure everyone knew Johnsson wouldn’t last long here

 

[Jacob]

I’d like to get Tanev to round out the 3rd pairing. Joseph + a 2nd and they eat 50%. Shea - Tanev with Ludvig and Ruhwedel as extras.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Red box = Opponent played the night before.
This schedule isn't as bad as it appears. Still pretty bad though lol.

It's convenient that our next 2 opponents are tired, at a time when we're vulnerable in net.

 

[Andy99]

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Red box = Opponent played the night before.
This schedule isn't as bad as it appears. Still pretty bad though lol.

If you’re gonna have a b2b, it’s only fair your opponent has one too imo, so it’s pretty advantageous from that perspective, but a tough slate of Eastern opponents and we may be playing our third string goalie and WBS call up on the b2b nights lol..

 

[AuroraBorealis]

If you’re gonna have a b2b, it’s only fair your opponent has one too imo, so it’s pretty advantageous from that perspective, but a tough slate of Eastern opponents and we may be playing our third string goalie and WBS call up on the b2b nights lol..

Ned is eligible to return on the 19th. He is skating already, so hopefully that's the case.
5 games until then though. Hellberg may have to put on the cape here.

 

[Andy99]

Ned is eligible to return on the 19th. He is skating already, so hopefully that's the case.
5 games until then though. Hellberg may have to put on the cape here.

Well good news tomorrow night is that Hellberg just has to be better than Phoenix Copley in net lol…Copley on the season has like a .788 save % and is giving up nearly 5 goals per game in his 3 starts so far …of course, it would be very on brand for the Pens to make him look like the next Vezina winner…let’s hope they’ve learned something from the last two games lol

 

[Headshot77]

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Red box = Opponent played the night before.
This schedule isn't as bad as it appears. Still pretty bad though lol.

It's convenient that our next 2 opponents are tired, at a time when we're vulnerable in net.

The schedule is always gonna look bad when you're last in the division lmao.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I expect Guentzel to come to a 8 to 8.5 million dollar value over 7 or 8 years with lots of trade protection.

Thats my expectation. If signed here.