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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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PTOs can't save this group. Hopefully, this is the last straw. After this fails, then hopefully Dubas can start doing some roster surgery. It is badly needed.

I am skeptical that Dubas even has the authority to fire Sullivan. A Boston-based company is going to fire a good Massachusetts lad? A two-time Cup champion? ESPN would say this is a grave mistake. ESPN thinks Mike Sullivan is Vince Lombardi.

What a mess.
 
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You know whats frustrating? The 1st period against Dallas. That showed us this team can play against anyone. But they mailed it in after that. We have yet to see this group put anywhere close to a 60min effort in.
 
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Zirakzigil said:
You know whats frustrating? The 1st period against Dallas. That showed us this team can play against anyone. But they mailed it in after that. We have yet to see this group put anywhere close to a 60min effort in.
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They aren’t able to.. at least Mike Sullivan’s system… been pretty clear since last season
 
Andy99 said:
They aren’t able to.. at least Mike Sullivan’s system… been pretty clear since last season
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I disagree. The talent is there to win games in spite of him. End of the day the players arent playing for the full game, regardless of the system.
 
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Nobody plays a full 60 minutes except for the absolute best teams in the league, and even they don't do it all the time. But decent teams don't just utterly collapse for 10 minutes of godawful hockey pretty much every single night. :laugh:
 
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I disagree. The talent is there to win games in spite of him. End of the day the players arent playing for the full game, regardless of the system.
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I don’t think it’s a choice…we are old lol…Boston plays a very defensive grind it out game, which is less taxing
 
I don't know why I feel compelled to share this, but I do.

I had a volunteer job with the Canadian Men's Olympic hockey team in 2010. Most of the guys were extremely nice to be around, particularly MAF, no surprise. I found myself in a box during Canada's first game and Carter was there (along with MAF). Guy was a complete ass hole.

I wasn't thrilled when we acquired him, and when everybody was fawning over him during his first stretch of games here, I couldn't help but route against him because he's such a prick. I was skeptical when we signed him to a multi-year extension and am selfishly glad that we all hate him now :p
 
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BobCole said:
I don't know why I feel compelled to share this, but I do.

I had a volunteer job with the Canadian Men's Olympic hockey team in 2010. Most of the guys were extremely nice to be around, particularly MAF, no surprise. I found myself in a box during Canada's first game and Carter was there (along with MAF). Guy was a complete ass hole.

I wasn't thrilled when we acquired him, and when everybody was fawning over him during his first stretch of games here, I couldn't help but route against him because he's such a prick. I was skeptical when we signed him to a multi-year extension and am selfishly glad that we all hate him now :p
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The players love him. McCann is on record saying he helped shape his game to where he is at now.
 
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Zbynek said:
Coaching staff house cleaning is the only solution here. The only thing we can do is pray the slide continues. Seriously, sliding to 2-10-0 could be the best thing that happened to this franchise in 5 years for this reason alone
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Yeah because that will change the Golden Boy's attitude
 
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Everyone knows coaches can’t do anything to ensure our players give it their all.
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Other teams, maybe. Us, it's tough. Say Malkin goes out and dogs it for 3 straight shifts. What are we going to do? Put Eller or Accari up there and bench Malkin? If Jake shits the bed, who is next up? Big Z gonna start skating with Sid? Not saying there isn't things that can be done but punishment for the player is punishment for the entire team, unfortunately. Everyone has their cozy contracts and spots on the roster. There's just too few alternatives.

Things are stale. I tell ya though, if you can trade Guentzel this season and get a solid player back, draft high, and bring in Yager next year - possibly adding three young guns to the roster (ideally with a coach and system that doesn't insist the 3rd and 4th line only be a low event defense only bottom 6), you could start to see a bit more energy and need to fight for a spot.

Maybe snag Pinto somehow. Get lucky and draft Demidov. Bring Yager up for better or for worse.

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Something like that, you could maybe put some heat on a guy like Malkin and say - Yager or Pinto are coming for you. On Rust/Jake/Smith - hey, Demidov, Yager, Pinto, Poulin, etc...they're coming for your spots. You could actually see legit competition and the willingness to put forth the effort.
 
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Other teams, maybe. Us, it's tough. Say Malkin goes out and dogs it for 3 straight shifts. What are we going to do? Put Eller or Accari up there and bench Malkin? If Jake shits the bed, who is next up? Big Z gonna start skating with Sid? Not saying there isn't things that can be done but punishment for the player is punishment for the entire team, unfortunately. Everyone has their cozy contracts and spots on the roster. There's just too few alternatives.

Things are stale. I tell ya though, if you can trade Guentzel this season and get a solid player back, draft high, and bring in Yager next year - possibly adding three young guns to the roster (ideally with a coach and system that doesn't insist the 3rd and 4th line only be a low event defense only bottom 6), you could start to see a bit more energy and need to fight for a spot.

Maybe snag Pinto somehow. Get lucky and draft Demidov. Bring Yager up for better or for worse.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Demidov
Rakell-Yager-Pinto
Nieto-Accari-Poulin

Something like that, you could maybe put some heat on a guy like Malkin and say - Yager or Pinto are coming for you. On Rust/Jake/Smith - hey, Demidov, Yager, Pinto, Poulin, etc...they're coming for your spots. You could actually see legit competition and the willingness to put forth the effort.
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No one is touching Pinto with a 41 game pole at this point.
 
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SomeDude said:
The dude bet on Non-NHL sports games. I would trade for him and let him sit in a heart beat. Do you know how many NHL players do the same thing and just are a bit smarter so they don’t get caught?
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There's a beautiful irony that a league covered head to toe in gambling ads like a plague victim covered in boils is throwing the book at a dude for non-NHL betting. :laugh:
 
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The dude bet on Non-NHL sports games. I would trade for him and let him sit in a heart beat. Do you know how many NHL players do the same thing and just are a bit smarter so they don’t get caught?
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Yes but with a 41 game suspension and him holding out for a contract, his value is zero. And the Sens arent just going to dump him for nothing.
 
Zirakzigil said:
Yes but with a 41 game suspension and him holding out for a contract, his value is zero. And the Sens arent just going to dump him for nothing.
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Exactly why Dubas should be watching him and the situation like a Hawk. I believe someone said that if he signs after Dec 1st, he can still play this season.

I honestly don't care about non-NHL betting. Absolutely irrelevant to his ability to play hockey.
 
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Yes but with a 41 game suspension and him holding out for a contract, his value is zero. And the Sens arent just going to dump him for nothing.
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I think any leverage he had is now gone and he’s just going to end up signing his QO to play when he can and try to put this behind him.

Honestly, it wouldn’t shock me if someone in the Sens organization tipped the league off. He’ll be able to play for the 2nd half of the season and likely will at the lowest price possible. That’s one way to end a contract dispute.
 
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