GDT: Pens 2024 Trade Deadline Thread: Jake Shake Talk here

[SomeDude]

I wonder how much having your own AHL team helps vs just standardizing the results. Like sure the call ups are used to your system, but if their skill set is better suited to a different system they might be better off developing on a different minor pro team.

The Leafs have outstanding AHL facilities in the same city as the NHL team, but they don't seem to turn prospects into players at an unusually impressive rate.

The thing about not having your own AHL affiliated team is that you have no control over ice time or system they play in during your prospect’s most crucial developmental time.

Edit: I saw you mentioned system, but not being able to have much say in deployment and knowing that the organization you’re loaning your players to will prioritize the development of their guys before yours just seems like a bad situation. Look at when Edmonton was using WBS. Did any of those guys pan out? Guys like Schremp and Deslauries were considered top prospects back then.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I just noticed Carolina is in town in a little over 2 weeks. Also noticed how brutal our schedule is the rest of the way besides 2 games against the Jackets and 1 against the Sharks.

We have a real shot here at a top 7-8 pick

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I would have preferred Blake over Morrow, tbh, simply because of positions

Morrow is the better prospect bc size and position but Blake is one of the sickest college hockey players in the country. Like pop off the screen energy, speed, motor, skill type of fun. He’s small and slight so hard to say if he’ll be like that in the NHL but it was fun to dream last night

The media who teased us all owe me a drink and I’m starting with you @Jesse

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yeah, I'm not really trying to convince anyone that they hit a homerun here. I'm just saying there's reason to be optimistic about the guys they got because nobody....and I mean nobody, let alone us goobers on a message board....know how prospects are going to develop.



Wasn't skating a knock against Guentzel, too? I mean, at the NHL level I wouldn't call him a great skater.

Koivunen is ahead of Heinen in his development. He's nearly a point/game in a man's league at an age where Heinen was just over a point/game in NCAA.

I know there was a report nobody was interested in Eller, but I wonder if part of the plan is to make Ponomaryov the 3C next year either because they traded Eller or they bump him to 4C? Or at least compete with Poulin for it.

Hundred pct agree. Tbf though the NCAA is a man’s league and is probably more physical than Liiga.

Hope they use Poulin at W.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Other than maybe Ned, I don't think the Pens will be doing anything else today. The rest of our players either have no value or have term which teams usually don't want at the deadline.

 

[eXile3]

The prospects are whatever. It doesn’t seem like any have crazy high upside but with Guentzel refusing to negotiate a new deal, getting a superstar prospect was probably a pipe dream.

Bunting is a decent player but I would have preferred they not taken on a guy with a decent sized cap hit for the next couple of years and tried to weaponize the cap space.

Pretty whelming trade but if Guentzel ends up re-signing then none of this really matters.

Stop saying this stupid stuff. Did you see him before practice with his head down alone on the bench?

That dude wanted to be here. He was chased out for Bunting and some magic beans by an idiotic GM.

 

[pistolpete11]

I just noticed Carolina is in town in a little over 2 weeks. Also noticed how brutal our schedule is the rest of the way besides 2 games against the Jackets and 1 against the Sharks.

We have a real shot here at a top 7-8 pick

The team has also quit, so it could get real ugly.

It would be pretty dope to sell a bunch of stuff this deadline, get a top 10 pick, fire Sullivan, and then make it back into playoff contention next year so the pick we give the Sharks isn't too big of a loss.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The prospects are whatever. It doesn’t seem like any have crazy high upside but with Guentzel refusing to negotiate a new deal, getting a superstar prospect was probably a pipe dream.

Bunting is a decent player but I would have preferred they not taken on a guy with a decent sized cap hit for the next couple of years and tried to weaponize the cap space.

Pretty whelming trade but if Guentzel ends up re-signing then none of this really matters.

If Bunting keeps scoring like he has the past few seasons, 4.5 for a 20+ goal scorer isn't much to be honest. He also becomes another great trade asset for us in 2 years from now on top of what we received.

 

[SomeDude]

Other than maybe Ned, I don't think the Pens will be doing anything else today. The rest of our players either have no value or have term which teams usually don't want at the deadline.

Also because we respect them too much to trade them. Becuase that is apparently a thing we do now.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I don’t think Raks goes anywhere and I really don’t want him to. Other than Sid/G/EK, anyone else can go anywhere.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Other than maybe Ned, I don't think the Pens will be doing anything else today. The rest of our players either have no value or have term which teams usually don't want at the deadline.

Yeah I mean do you move Smith for a 4-5th or hold on for another year in hopes of better? If he rebounds in Jakes role and puts up points he could prob get 1st or close next season.

but having the cap flexibility is valuable. I won’t fault them either way.

I would prefer 2 x 2M for Ned over a 3rd but you have to move him if he doesn’t extend.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Still hate this trade. The nerd better make up for it today.

 

[SomeDude]

Dubas is the kid at school that would trade his Gushers for half a banana and your sandwich crust.

 

[xlm34]

Stop saying this stupid stuff. Did you see him before practice with his head down alone on the bench?

That dude wanted to be here. He was chased out for Bunting and some magic beans by an idiotic GM.

I’m talking about negotiating with other teams interested in trading with him.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The team has also quit, so it could get real ugly.

It would be pretty dope to sell a bunch of stuff this deadline, get a top 10 pick, fire Sullivan, and then make it back into playoff contention next year so the pick we give the Sharks isn't too big of a loss.

I'm 100% on board with that. But I'm not very confident about next season though, it's going to be rough. We need a few impactful trades or UFA signings

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Imagine we got him and he walked...lol

Yep. It would've been one of the risks in acquiring Morrow, so getting two actual prospects instead of one potential prospect could be argued to be better.

I was under the impression both counted for a total of 3 per team

As others mentioned, you can have as many buyouts as you want. For instance, if you look at Chicago's Capfriendly page, they have one retained salary contract and three buyouts.
(I also used to think buyouts were limited, so I understand why you'd think so.)

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Guys Jake isn't even signed. We weren't going to get much and I stated 2 days ago many of you were going to be disappointed in the return.

The return wasn't even that bad considering and they are likely more ready now prospects then some quality we may also have thrown at us but turned away.

A prospect that is ready in 3 years does nothing for the "rebuild" so many of you talk about as Crosby will be retiring and doesn't fall into the rebuild timeline. That player will be irrelevant when it does come to a true rebuild and won't even be apart of the process.

Go hug your wives or boyfriends

 

[pistolpete11]

Yeah I mean do you move Smith for a 4-5th or hold on for another year in hopes of better? If he rebounds in Jakes role and puts up points he could prob get 1st or close next season.

but having the cap flexibility is valuable. I won’t fault them either way.

I would prefer 2 x 2M for Ned over a 2nd.

I think you've gotta at least get a 3rd back or you might as well keep him and see what he looks like with a new coach.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Bunting is 28 years old, signed for 2 more years at $4.5M. It seems Dubas really likes him, as he's one of his wins in Toronto. His assumption is he fit with Matthews/Marner, so he'll fit with Crosby the same way.

He was too expensive for what he brought to Carolina (3rd line winger for 4.5M), so I would think he had negative value for them.

As for the prospects:
Koivunen - 2nd round pick (#51)
Ponomarev - 2nd round pick (#53)
Lucius - 4th round pick (#124)

So basically we gave up Jake + a 1st rounder (Ty Smith) for:
Bunting
3 x 2nd rounder
1 x 4th rounder
and a conditional upgrade to 1st + conditional 5th rounder

I'm really surprised he didn't get a no-strings-attached 1st rounder draft pick out of this.

My biggest concern is what Sully will do to these guys .

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Yeah I mean do you move Smith for a 4-5th or hold on for another year in hopes of better? If he rebounds in Jakes role and puts up points he could prob get 1st or close next season.

but having the cap flexibility is valuable. I won’t fault them either way.

I would prefer 2 x 2M for Ned over a 3rd but you have to move him if he doesn’t extend.

You definitely keep him at this point if it's not better than a 2nd coming back IMO

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I think you've gotta at least get a 3rd back or you might as well keep him and see what he looks like with a new coach.

Yeah I think that’s fair.

I’m hoping Guentzel trade is a sign this org is amenable to some house cleaning on the coaching side but might be too much to hope for.

 

[deakka]

Since we are terrible a cap management as usual, we need to get compliant before 5 p.m today. could send a buch of guys down, or put rust on LITR, but that would only solve it temporarely.


But that got me wondering, what is the penallty for NOT being cap compliant? lose a pick? surrender games?

 

[Epic Neal Time]

I'd like to see them (now or offseason) deal some of these assets for younger players. Kaliyev/Wahlstrom/Broberg/etc.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

I would prefer 2 x 2M for Ned over a 3rd but you have to move him if he doesn’t extend.

I wouldn't hate re-signing Ned, but I also want to see what Blomqvist looks like in the NHL, so I lean more towards trading Ned if we'll use Blomqvist.

 

[wej20]

Since we are terrible a cap management as usual, we need to get compliant before 5 p.m today. could send a buch of guys down, or put rust on LITR, but that would only solve it temporarely.


But that got me wondering, what is the penallty for NOT being cap compliant? lose a pick? surrender games?

We already surrender games.