GDT: Pens 2024 Trade Deadline Thread: Jake Shake Talk here

[orby]

For what it's worth, Canes fans seem to have pretty high opinions of Koivunen and Ponomarev.

 

[Gurglesons]

The issue to the return is there is no rhyme or reason to it.

The prospects are not in the age group where they can help with a rebuild, the roster player isn’t good enough given the term, and the pick is likely in the 50s.

Dubas did exactly what everyone flipped out on Hextall for doing this year only he did it in much more long term damaging ways.

He traded a lottery pick this year for EK65. Then did nothing and gave away Guentzel with the hope of continuing to compete.

Just told limp dick bullshit moves. The only thing you can hope is we get a player like Nic Roy or Luostrainen out of one of these scratch offs.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I do think Bunting is a nice addition of what this team's been missing from the middle-6 and top PP unit. But way too little, way too late. They should flip him, dump Smith, trade Petts at the draft, etc. Just call it dead and turn the page. If Sid, Geno and Letang get pissed and want out, so be it. Team can't keep pretending they're trying their best six years into a steep and steady decline.

 

[McGroarty2]

Ideally (if he's not moved) you want Eller as your 4C.
Bunting - Sid - Rust/Rakell
Geno - *Kadri* - Rust/Rakell
Puus - *** - ***
Bemstrom - Eller - Acciari/DOC


Those asterisks hold up the season. And if DOC + Acciari are both bottom 6 than you need a serious catalyst piece coming in because once again the offense will be non existent.

Get back to 3 scoring lines. Hell 4 if we can. But fire Sullivan into the Fn orbit and bring in someone who can do it. This 1 scoring line and 3 lines of reminisce look at me when I was younger grinder unskilled shit needs to die.

Poulin and Ponomarev most likely make the team next year.

 

[molon labe]

I do think Bunting is a nice addition of what this team's been missing from the middle-6 and top PP unit. But way too little, way too late. They should flip him, dump Smith, trade Petts at the draft, etc. Just call it dead and turn the page. If Sid, Geno and Letang get pissed and want out, so be it. Team can't keep pretending they're trying their best six years into a steep and steady decline.

I mean Bunting is only 28 and signed for 2 more years at 4.5.

Frankly he's a nice get and a good replacement for R.Smith.

I think Sid will love his game to be honest. But it won't matter if the coach/system remain and we don't bring in another C to push Geno to wing. Among other moves.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I mean Bunting is only 28 and signed for 2 more years at 4.5.

Frankly he's a nice get and a good replacement for R.Smith.

I think Sid will love his game to be honest. But it won't matter if the coach/system remain and we don't bring in another C to push Geno to wing. Among other moves.

We've talked about it at length, I still don't think any of this shit matters anymore. Especially if they're still committed to not firing the coaching staff, then it's absolutely cemented.

Hope Bunting does well enough to boost his value and send him out sometime next season. /shrug

 

[deakka]

Lets Hope at least Smith and Ned gets dealt today.
We got Bunting to replace Smith in a futile atempt to not "rebuild", but Smith totally expendable now.

And we wont re-sign Ned and we dont need him as insureence for the POs since we wont make it. He sholud hold some value 2-3 rounder? for a contending team in need of goaltending insurenence.

Dont ge me wrong, im all for sending other players out as well, but those 2 needs to be a given, right?

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think Sid will love his game to be honest. But it won't matter if the coach/system remain and we don't bring in another C to push Geno to wing. Among other moves.

I'm past the point of caring what Sid loves.

 

[molon labe]

We've talked about it at length, I still don't think any of this shit matters anymore. Especially if they're still committed to not firing the coaching staff, then it's absolutely cemented.

Hope Bunting does well enough to boost his value and send him out sometime next season. /shrug

Dude has snarl to his game we haven't seen since Kunitz. I don't want to make that jump yet but for the sake of cooling some of the heat in here.

No, this isn't Neal for Hornqvist. Jake is a UFA. But Bunting actually shows a F'n pulse when he plays unlike 100% of our rosters for the past two seasons.

Not that he's faired well - but he's tangled with E.Kane, Jeannot, Corey Perry, etc. He plays a good net front, lays good checks, and doesn't cost all that much. I take a guy like that over R.Smith 10/10. This "awful" season he's having is on the boring Carolina team that wins games 2-1 and he's still outscoring Smith/Rakell and tied with Rust - all while being 500k cheaper.

It's not a home run but it checks boxes here. Still a lot of work to do. And yeah - they could land Marner this Summer and if they keep Sullivan I'll bet my mortgage on missing the playoffs again.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

If even one of these prospects hit as a top 9 forward and/or if they use that 2nd (or first if Carolina makes the finals) to get a top 9 forward...it's a win.

But it is a lot of scratch off tickets and they might get nothing.

You think getting a potential third line forward for jake is a win? Jesus

 

[spcastlemagic]

We always knew dark days would happen eventually - but I didn’t think it would be like this. An organizational commitment, from ownership down, to simply not being competitive. It’s a shock after 16 years trying to win the damn thing.

 

[molon labe]

I'm past the point of caring what Sid loves.

Totally fair. But so long as he's here - I mean...

You think getting a potential third line forward for jake is a win? Jesus

Come on dude... What are your expectations for 2 months of Jake? Because that's all it is no matter how many mental flips you do.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I will be frank. This was a terrible trade.

Totally fair. But so long as he's here - I mean...



Come on dude... What are your expectations for 2 months of Jake? Because that's all it is no matter how many mental flips you do.

That is the only thing that stopped me from breaking my phone

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Way to convert on that "quality over quantity", Kyle.

We traded the best winger Crosby ever had, the best active career playoff goal scorer outside of Mack and Drai, and the best player on the trade market for a middle 6 tweener, a conditional 1st, and a handful of B-C prospects who might turn into Mikael Granlund if they're lucky.

Woo hoo.

Much better than re-signing Guentzel and flushing the 9/10 of the roster that don't work.

 

[molon labe]

Way to convert on that "quality over quantity", Kyle.

We traded the best winger Crosby ever had, the best active career playoff goal scorer outside of Mack and Drai, and the best player on the trade market for a middle 6 tweener, a conditional 1st, and a handful of B-C prospects who might turn into Mikael Granlund if they're lucky.

Woo hoo.

Much better than re-signing Guentzel and flushing the 9/10 of the roster that don't work.

So I mean - I can agree with most of the Guentzel lore - but he is not in the same hemisphere as those two.

Where was Jake in '18, '19, and '20? We all complained about how turtle'd he got in those series. He had a banger of a series against NY - we were juicing and Sid was insane too....but let's not pretend he literally tilts the game like MacK and Drai.

And this has zero, literally zero to do with re-signing or not re-signing Jake. Frankly, getting assets THEN pitching a contract is the best gamble you can take. Why the sam F do you offer him a contract now, forego any assets - just to ice the same loser ass roster next year? Things need to change - so if we're arguing anything, perhaps it's the order of operations for that change. Should the coaches and other players have gone first? Sure. But that's not where were at....

But we're also not trading a guy that's changed the course of that success for seven years now.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Totally fair. But so long as he's here - I mean...



Come on dude... What are your expectations for 2 months of Jake? Because that's all it is no matter how many mental flips you do.

I fear you may not be quite up to speed with how the Pens roll now. We're not missing 2 months of Jake. We're basically only missing 5 weeks and a day or two. You may have forgotten we don't make the playoffs anymore. It is a whole new streak... ;-)

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

God bless @molon labe and their ability to try to find silver linings. This team has been doomed for years after JR, Hextall, Sully all the while, and now Dubas (with a heaping helping of apathy from Mario at the end and incompetence from FSG).

Also, the playoff streak ended in my eyes after the Habs play-in. I know *technically* it counted but, it didn't.

Genuinely didn't think Jake would return such a meager bunch of assets. I thought for sure, even with no contract extension in place, he'd bring back someone of Yager's caliber. Which, in the grand scheme, isn't even that exceptional of a prospect. He's just leaps and bounds above others in this system because of how bad the drafting and development's been, and how few picks have been kept over the last decade.

 

[Gurglesons]

Dude has snarl to his game we haven't seen since Kunitz. I don't want to make that jump yet but for the sake of cooling some of the heat in here.

No, this isn't Neal for Hornqvist. Jake is a UFA. But Bunting actually shows a F'n pulse when he plays unlike 100% of our rosters for the past two seasons.

Not that he's faired well - but he's tangled with E.Kane, Jeannot, Corey Perry, etc. He plays a good net front, lays good checks, and doesn't cost all that much. I take a guy like that over R.Smith 10/10. This "awful" season he's having is on the boring Carolina team that wins games 2-1 and he's still outscoring Smith/Rakell and tied with Rust - all while being 500k cheaper.

It's not a home run but it checks boxes here. Still a lot of work to do. And yeah - they could land Marner this Summer and if they keep Sullivan I'll bet my mortgage on missing the playoffs again.

And we could have signed him last summer instead of Ryan Graves.

 

[Pens1566]

That is a tremendously disappointing return. Nowhere near anything that Dubas was supposedly going after. A wannabe Kunitz, a couple of long long shot middling ceiling prospects, and a late/middle 2nd rd pick (let's be honest, they're not getting the 1st).

Even if Jake comes back via FA, you have to think there were better options on the table.

Man, some of our posters are gonna need to change their username/avatars if they go back to the main boards.

 

[molon labe]

And we could have signed him last summer instead of Ryan Graves.

Gross mismanagement is something we agree on for sure. I think we've liked similar players over the years here.

Idk how you feel about whiffing on JT Miller - but how do you feel about Kadri going forward as our 2C? 7M, has snarl in his own right.

 

[Wattsburgh]

Koivunen looks to have the most upside and his progression from last year to this year is pretty good. Don't know much about him.

—-Mike Sullivan

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The only reason Bunting's play or fit matters is that he hopefully boosts his trade value to be flipped next year. Nothing matters anymore for this team in the here and now. If that leads to Sid & Co. leaving, f*** it. Thanks for the memories, GL elsewhere.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Way to convert on that "quality over quantity", Kyle.

We traded the best winger Crosby ever had, the best active career playoff goal scorer outside of Mack and Drai, and the best player on the trade market for a middle 6 tweener, a conditional 1st, and a handful of B-C prospects who might turn into Mikael Granlund if they're lucky.

Woo hoo.

Much better than re-signing Guentzel and flushing the 9/10 of the roster that don't work.

How much should he have gotten for 1/4 season of Guentzel?
Quantity isn't a bad idea in our situation. Eventually you hit on a few if you load up.
Bunting at 4.5M for 3 years is fairly reasonable, especially with the cap on the rise. If things go well for him here then he has trade value later too.

Even if they got a guaranteed 1st from Carolina, it would have been a late one. I think in this draft that doesn't mean much more than 2nd rounders. It's gonna be a thin draft.

 

[Wattsburgh]

Bunting would be fine. Added to Guentzel. Not for him lol. And since these prospects will never see ice time due to Sullivan, the crowd will make sure Matthew knows it every time he whiffs on a puck because of whom he was traded for. Just a complete mess by management.

 

[molon labe]

God bless @molon labe and their ability to try to find silver linings. This team has been doomed for years after JR, Hextall, Sully all the while, and now Dubas (with a heaping helping of apathy from Mario at the end and incompetence from FSG).

Also, the playoff streak ended in my eyes after the Habs play-in. I know *technically* it counted but, it didn't.

Genuinely didn't think Jake would return such a meager bunch of assets. I thought for sure, even with no contract extension in place, he'd bring back someone of Yager's caliber. Which, in the grand scheme, isn't even that exceptional of a prospect. He's just leaps and bounds above others in this system because of how bad the drafting and development's been, and how few picks have been kept over the last decade.

* Caveat: I'm young enough to have had to have climbed a damn mountain or swam upstream for where I am including giving up my entire twenties to the uniformed service. I don't 'tick boxes' and therefore have had to work twice as hard contrary to what they're teaching/preaching to people these days about privilege (I thought the veteran route may help with that and that's an utter myth). I've outpaced every single coworker I've had by giving management no choice. A LOT of that is saying F-off to excuses. Grind out the school, grind out the achievements, and if you're not rewarded move the F on. I'm also old enough to have started a life/family through these tumultuous times that have many not wanting either. So I view all these arguments about can/can not do with a grain of salt. What CAN we all do? What can't we do? Because the can'ts better have a very good damned excuse behind them.

So when it comes to positivity or finding silver linings I'll say this - I don't like building in excuses. THAT is what turned me off of Sullivan. I view him as a downright bitch if we're being honest. We start the year with the same cap as everyone else in this league. We also have come around to finally having draft capital and ROOM in the cap. Squandering it pisses me off. Careful consideration and construction and you can absolutely be the Boston Bruins' of the world. Hitching your wagon to losers won't get you there. From the top down - especially through the coaching staff and front office - this organization is flush full of God damned losers. That's our mistake. It's a mistake I think can be fixed - but as I've said before, if we keep Sullivan it won't be so don't get that bit twisted.

But no, I'm not some high on life dude who's ignorantly positive about everything for what it's worth. Good luck to all of us getting through the day