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Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
You all seem to love it. So sorry for being "pathetic" I guess.

I just don't get it. Hayes seems like the exact kind of player this team has no real use for and has all the hallmarks of being way overused by the coach and a second round pick is the panacea. If they can clear out space in the bottom six to make some room this looks better. But can anyone really blame me for being extremely doubtful that's going to happen?
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You're not pathetic. The massive reaction of multiple people complaining across multiple posts in multiple threads and saying it's a bad move is pathetic.
 
This team's a Sid retirement (or injury) away from landing a legit building block. But you need other pieces as well, and it wouldn't hurt to start getting some of those in place so when we end up with the next foundational chip, the team's ready to go for it. Trying to make the most out of those ELC years with core talent is really important.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
You all seem to love it. So sorry for being "pathetic" I guess.

I just don't get it. Hayes seems like the exact kind of player this team has no real use for and has all the hallmarks of being way overused by the coach and a second round pick is the panacea. If they can clear out space in the bottom six to make some room this looks better. But can anyone really blame me for being extremely doubtful that's going to happen?
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Hayes is the exact kind of player no team has use for, that's why the Pens got a 2nd to take him. :laugh:
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Where?

This whole day has been you guys busting on me, HSL and pixies before he ran away for thinking this is kinda gross lol

Look... I hope you guys are right. I really do.
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Taking my son down for his first skating lesson!

This board for some reason must cope. Hayes is an awful player. Getting an asset for him is stomachable but also just shows Dubas is clueless.
 
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As of right now, I don't think the bottom-6 is too cluttered....yet. I think they're currently sitting with something along the lines of:

Smith-Eller-Puustinen
Ponomarev-Hayes-Acciari
Puljujarvi-Poulin

I'd like a move to push Puustinen down a spot and make the 3rd line O'Connor-Eller-Smith, but I don't think it's too cluttered just yet. However, if Dubas starts signing a bunch of Hinostroza/Harkins/Nieto type of guys like he did last year, I absolutely think it becomes a problem very quickly and would just block the young guys.

I already said I'd like to see them trade Eller for value, but I'd even be happy if they sent out Acciari for a depth defenseman just to get him out of the F group. Their D depth gets really thin really quickly, at least much more than their forward depth IMO. I think having a $2 million #6D blocks fewer young guys than Acciari on L4.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I wouldn't be planning on getting any sort of return for Hayes in the future, at least as of right now. He didn't particularly have a strong year with St. Louis last year, his JFresh chart may look nice but his microstats were pretty ugly. He may have good on-ice results but he's not the one causing those results.

I think the only way you can get anything for Hayes is at the 2026 deadline if he puts up 2 ~30 point years in a row. Which is definitely doable, but he's already slow as shit and any decrease in his speed may make him completely unviable as a NHLer.

I do think comments about cluttering the bottom of the roster are entirely valid, which is a big reason why I was outspoken against the idea of bringing in Mikheyev. The corresponding move I'd like to see with this is Eller for a 3rd or 4th, because I'm pretty confident that Eller can bring back a 3rd or 4th right now.
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Trading eller now feels like a, make a trade to make a trade move and would be a waste of an asset.

He's a guy who has a low cap hit for his role and overall contribution on the ice. IF Hayes is gifted 3rd line center minutes, which he will be, that pushes Eller to 4th line and shifts acari to wing which puts both in the best position to up their value for the trade deadline.


Why move eller now for a 3rd or a 4th when he is a player that gets a second at the deadline from a team looking to make a cup run. Same with acari, especially if he isn't saddled with center position responsibility and can play a more aggressive crash and bang forechecking game at wing. Give him half a year to demonstrate that he has value when slotted correctly into a line up then trade him.
 
Bishop7979 said:
Trading eller now feels like a, make a trade to make a trade move and would be a waste of an asset.

He's a guy who has a low cap hit for his role and overall contribution on the ice. IF Hayes is gifted 3rd line center minutes, which he will be, that pushes Eller to 4th line and shifts acari to wing which puts both in the best position to up their value for the trade deadline.


Why move eller now for a 3rd or a 4th when he is a player that gets a second at the deadline from a team looking to make a cup run. Same with acari, especially if he isn't saddled with center position responsibility and can play a more aggressive crash and bang forechecking game at wing. Give him half a year to demonstrate that he has value when slotted correctly into a line up then trade him.
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Eller's not bringing back a 2nd at the deadline next year. He's probably bringing back a 3rd.

That's why I'd be fine with sending him out now for a 3rd or 4th.
 
MrBurghundy said:
I'm not saying I'm looking forward to watching this team shit the bed for another year. I'm just saying this isn't a unique position for a franchise to be in. Cycles happen. You're good, and then you're bad, and hopefully you're good again.
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I'm not either. but at least I'll know they aren't wasting it thinking that they just need to make the playoffs, and spending assets to do so.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
I'm not complaining to complain. This just isn't a very good move. It's not a disaster because of where they are... which is to say non-competing. But it just makes for an even more boring lineup playing hamfist hockey, blocks even more players that could maybe add some interest next season and gives Mike Sullivan yet another toy he won't be able to not abuse. There isn't much to watch for right now, boys. Adding Kevin Hayes type players only adds to that at least IMO.

That's all. I'm not saying Dubas just sealed his fate here or anything and I'm trying to look at it removing bias even if I don't much trust him at this point and in the balance it still doesn't seem worth a second round pick to me. You guys are looking at the player on his own... I'm looking at him within the context of this team. And I already don't like what I see.
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We can't help you if you're dumb as a rock.

The youth we have isn't exactly barnstorming good. It's mostly bottom 6 fodder that probably won't be here in another 4 years. Literally, only Yeager and Blom do I have a little more hope for and it's not urgent that they be in the NHL this season.
 
MrBurghundy said:
Oh for sure. Dubas is shitting the bed by not being able to get rid of the dead weight for more picks and prospects if that's the direction he wants to go in. This Hayes trade though doesn't hurt anything either way though. Who cares what Sullivan does with him. If he plays well, great we can hopefully move him. If he sucks, great we are worse and get better draft positioning.
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Yeah, at the end of the day I understand it all perfectly well. It's just wild that people don't understand why people might be unenthused about watching a season of Hayes get overused. Like getting a limb amputated might be a life-saving move, but almost nobody looks forward to it.
 
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MayorofWBS said:
We can't help you if you're dumb as a rock.

The youth we have isn't exactly barnstorming good. It's mostly bottom 6 fodder that probably won't be here in another 4 years. Literally, only Yeager and Blom do I have a little more hope for and it's not urgent that they be in the NHL this season.
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Ah. Cool cool.

It's "Yager" by the way. I managed to push through the haze of all my stupidity and got that right, at least.
 
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Hayes is a boring shit player who will fit right in with our bottom 6 of boring shit players.

I don’t hate getting a 2nd, but there had to more interesting ways to get one one.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Yeah, at the end of the day I understand it all perfectly well. It's just wild that people don't understand why people might be unenthused about watching a season of Hayes get overused. Like getting a limb amputated might be a life-saving move, but almost nobody looks forward to it.
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I'm absolutely not looking forward to it. I'm not looking forward to watching any team with Sulliquinn a part of it.
 
K Fleur said:
Hayes is a boring shit player who will fit right in with our bottom 6 of boring shit players.
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Yeah, for real. Like it makes sense, sure. The problem isn't Hayes for a 2nd at all. The problem is all the rest of the bottom 6 still being awful. :laugh:

I don't get how that's somehow a subtle and mysterious point, but I'm just a poor overeducated country doctor from Butler County.
 
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K Fleur said:
Hayes is a boring shit player who will fit right in with our bottom 6 of boring shit players.

I don’t hate getting a 2nd, but there had to more interesting ways to get one one.
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He’s pretty fast, almost beat Usain Bolt.

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