Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Because no 2nd rounds ever make it to the NHL, or make an impact on a hockey team.

Of course they do. It's rare in general and about as common as an albino unicorn on THIS team. But it does happen.

I just find it odd that suddenly a second round pick makes 3.5M dollar suck-ass Kevin Hayes being run into the ground for like 20 minutes a night the next two years a GOOD thing.

 

[Turin]

32 and already performing like Carter at 37.

I really can't stand this moron, didn't he cause some locker room issues in Philly on his way out too?

I agree with the point this is a realization moment

You’re just wrong.

He’s mediocre, but he was way better defensively last year than the couple years previously. Could have found a role.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Hayes trade kinda just confirms that this place will complain about anything this team does. They're finally making moves towards rebuilding and building towards the future, and people are just complaining that "Hayes sucks" as if they acquired Hayes for him to be a contributor.

 

[MrBurghundy]

Of course they do. It's rare in general and about as common as an albino unicorn on THIS team. But it does happen.

I just find it odd that suddenly a second round pick makes 3.5M dollar suck-ass Kevin Hayes being run into the ground for like 20 minutes a night the next two years a GOOD thing.

This team has different management than the teams in the past who drafted shit 2nd rounders. Even still, assets are assets. This team isn't going anywhere for a while. This is what teams in our position do. Who gives a shit if Hayes is on the team? Seriously. It's not moving any needle in any direction. If anything it gets us a better draft pick next year.

 

[Tom Hanks]

The Hayes trade kinda just confirms that this place will complain about anything this team does. They're finally making moves towards rebuilding and building towards the future, and people are just complaining that "Hayes sucks" as if they acquired Hayes for him to be a contributor.

It’s the we’re an aging bubble team that’s throwing at the wall to see what sticks while building futures kinda move

EDIT: which is what we should be doing until Sid moves on/ok with full rebuild

 

[Pancakes]

The Hayes trade kinda just confirms that this place will complain about anything this team does. They're finally making moves towards rebuilding and building towards the future, and people are just complaining that "Hayes sucks" as if they acquired Hayes for him to be a contributor.

For real. Like I said I think we can count Dubas' unambiguously good moves as being literally two: Hayes + EK. So I get the frustration. But this is definitely a good move and the literal only potential negative I see with it is blocking prospects but I think that's a worthy risk for a free second round pick number one and number two I think if any prospect is clearly NHL ready the Pens will find a way to force them into the lineup anyways.

There's going to be injuries anyways.

 

[TimmyD]

What would make this deal even better is if Hayes plays well enough to be sold at deadline for another pick.

 

[MrBurghundy]

For real. Like I said I think we can count Dubas' unambiguously good moves as being literally two: Hayes + EK. So I get the frustration. But this is definitely a good move and the literal only potential negative I see with it is blocking prospects but I think that's a worthy risk for a free second round pick number one and number two I think if any prospect is clearly NHL ready the Pens will find a way to force them into the lineup anyways.

There's going to be injuries anyways.

Who's he even blocking?

What would make this deal even better is if Hayes plays well enough to be sold at deadline for another pick.

And if he sucks, he makes us worse and gets us better draft position so we can build our system more for our eventual rebuild.

 

[Malkinstheman]

The team basically had two options until Sid retires:

1. Acquire assets while finishing 10th-20th
2. Keep trading picks while finishing 10th-20th

Id much rather do the 1st. The team is cooked, they don't even have an outside chance at a cup unless several miracles happen. Just let the core play out their last few years.

 

[chethejet]

Pens get a second round pick and a player that is a throw in. Hayes has some value here and can play a role here. He is just a add on and maybe buys time for Ponomarev and Broz in WB. Dubas can move him this TDL or next off season. I am wondering what Dubas is doing with Smith? Thought he would be moved by now.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

This team has different management than the teams in the past who drafted shit 2nd rounders. Even still, assets are assets. This team isn't going anywhere for a while. This is what teams in our position do. Who gives a shit if Hayes is on the team? Seriously. It's not moving any needle in any direction. If anything it gets us a better draft pick next year.

The Hayes trade kinda just confirms that this place will complain about anything this team does. They're finally making moves towards rebuilding and building towards the future, and people are just complaining that "Hayes sucks" as if they acquired Hayes for him to be a contributor.

I'm not complaining to complain. This just isn't a very good move. It's not a disaster because of where they are... which is to say non-competing. But it just makes for an even more boring lineup playing hamfist hockey, blocks even more players that could maybe add some interest next season and gives Mike Sullivan yet another toy he won't be able to not abuse. There isn't much to watch for right now, boys. Adding Kevin Hayes type players only adds to that at least IMO.

That's all. I'm not saying Dubas just sealed his fate here or anything and I'm trying to look at it removing bias even if I don't much trust him at this point and in the balance it still doesn't seem worth a second round pick to me. You guys are looking at the player on his own... I'm looking at him within the context of this team. And I already don't like what I see.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm not complaining to complain. This just isn't a very good move. It's not a disaster because of where they are... which is to say non-competing. But it just makes for an even more boring lineup playing hamfist hockey, blocks even more players that could maybe add some interest next season and gives Mike Sullivan yet another toy he won't be able to not abuse. There isn't much to watch for right now, boys. Adding Kevin Hayes type players only adds to that at least IMO.

That's all. I'm not saying Dubas just sealed his fate here or anything and I'm trying to look at it in a vacuum even if I don't much trust him at this point and in the balance it still doesn't seem worth a second round pick to me. You guys are looking at the player on his own... I'm looking at him within the context of this team. And I already don't like what I see.

The point of the trade is to build for the future, not make for more entertaining hockey today.

Hayes is basically just a slower and bigger version of Eller. Getting a 2nd to take on 2 years of his deal is an absolute no brainer, which is why a lot of Blues fans are pissed their team made this deal.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The point of the trade is to build for the future, not make for more entertaining hockey today.

Yeah sure... but again... brother... it's a second round pick.

"Building for the future" is a few tomorrows away yet, I'm afraid.

 

[MrBurghundy]

I'm not complaining to complain. This just isn't a very good move. It's not a disaster because of where they are... which is to say non-competing. But it just makes for an even more boring lineup playing hamfist hockey, blocks even more players that could maybe add some interest next season and gives Mike Sullivan yet another toy he won't be able to not abuse. There isn't much to watch for right now, boys. Adding Kevin Hayes type players only adds to that at least IMO.

That's all. I'm not saying Dubas just sealed his fate here or anything and I'm trying to look at it in a vacuum even if I don't much trust him at this point and in the balance it still doesn't seem worth a second round pick to me. You guys are looking at the player on his own... I'm looking at him within the context of this team. And I already don't like what I see.

Of course there's not much to watch for next season. That was happening with our without Hayes. He literally doesn't change that at all. Who is he blocking exactly too? Ponomarev? Is he really somebody that's good enough to care if he gets blocked or not?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah I don't get not being happy with this move. If he ends up sucking it's no great loss and they got a high end pick out of it.

If he provides value then they got a decent player for free and got a pick out of it.

I don't see him as blocking prospects either. Injuries will happen as they always do and if any of our prospects blow the doors off in wbs they'll find a spot in the lineup for them anyways.

I'm fine with the move, I just don't like the style and direction this team is headed in. I was hoping we could ride out the last years of Sid and Geno with something more physical or at least interesting prospects, but clearly that's not meant to be.

The point of the trade is to build for the future, not make for more entertaining hockey today.

You can do both, if you make smart moves. But I don't think anyone we acquire will look good with this HC and this system, that I'll agree on.

 

[MrBurghundy]

Yeah sure... but again... brother... it's a second round pick.

"Building for the future" is a few tomorrows away yet, I'm afraid.

Except if you keep kicking the can down the road, you're just making it worse.

 

[Pancakes]

Who's he even blocking?


And if he sucks, he makes us worse and gets us better draft position so we can build our system more for our eventual rebuild.

Honestly not even sure he does block anyone. Ponomarev would probably not be handed the reins as a 3c even if they did decide to play him. He'd probably start as 4c. And I don't think they ever intended to start him in the lineup this year right off the bat.

I'm not complaining to complain. This just isn't a very good move. It's not a disaster because of where they are... which is to say non-competing. But it just makes for an even more boring lineup playing hamfist hockey, blocks even more players that could maybe add some interest next season and gives Mike Sullivan yet another toy he won't be able to not abuse. There isn't much to watch for right now, boys. Adding Kevin Hayes type players only adds to that at least IMO.

That's all. I'm not saying Dubas just sealed his fate here or anything and I'm trying to look at it in a vacuum even if I don't much trust him at this point and in the balance it still doesn't seem worth a second round pick to me. You guys are looking at the player on his own... I'm looking at him within the context of this team. And I already don't like what I see.

So it's a bad move because it keeps the Pens boring? They're already boring af and non competitive. At least they got an asset to build towards the future with.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean, why not at least throw a look at some young players? Why not see if we can actually develop a diamond in the rough for once?

Honestly not even sure he does block anyone

He absolutely blocks someone, just whoever it is is TBD. But think of how many games we suffered through an abysmal Carter-- it's not like we scratch underperforming vets around here.

 

[Pancakes]

I'm fine with the move, I just don't like the style and direction this team is headed in. I was hoping we could ride out the last years of Sid and Geno with something more physical or at least interesting prospects, but clearly that's not meant to be.

There's just not enough NHL ready prospects to take that route yet.

If you want "exciting young team buoyed by old Sid/Geno" we probably have another 1-2 years left to wait before that starts happening (if it ever even does). The Pens have only just recently started rebuilding their prospect pool.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mean, why not at least throw a look at some young players? Why not see if we can actually develop a diamond in the rough for once?


He absolutely blocks someone, just whoever it is is TBD. But think of how many games we suffered through an abysmal Carter-- it's not like we scratch underperforming vets around here.

Getting more draft picks is how you develop diamonds in the rough.

It is downright bizarre that literally anyone is complaining about this deal, when a ton of people complaining are the same people who think the team stinks and should be rebuilding.

 

[MrBurghundy]

I'm fine with the move, I just don't like the style and direction this team is headed in. I was hoping we could ride out the last years of Sid and Geno with something more physical or at least interesting prospects, but clearly that's not meant to be.

You can do both, if you make smart moves. But I don't think anyone we acquire will look good with this HC and this system, that I'll agree on.

And this is the legitimate criticism of Dubas. Not being able to acquire any interesting prospects or young players. I'm not sure I want them acquiring interesting prospects with Sullivan still here anyway.

 

[Turin]

Yeah sure... but again... brother... it's a second round pick.

"Building for the future" is a few tomorrows away yet, I'm afraid.

So don’t do anything unless it’s a lottery pick? Rome wasn’t built in a day.

 

[HandshakeLine]

There's just not enough NHL ready prospects to take that route yet.

If you want "exciting young team buoyed by old Sid/Geno" we probably have another 1-2 years left to wait before that starts happening (if it ever even does). The Pens have only just recently started rebuilding their prospect pool.

I think the move would be less foreboding if we had managed to trade Eller or Accari or Smith. But I don't think we'll actually trade anyone and we just added a horrible vet that Sullivan will not find it in himself to healthy scratch or demote even if his life depends on it.

 

[Coastal Kev]

You’re just wrong. View attachment 889524
He’s mediocre, but he was way better defensively last year than the couple years previously. Could have found a role.

I don't need all of those graphics to tell me that they bought an aging expensive turd decorated with a piece of silver.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Also why are we ignoring injuries? Puusty, Gruden etc got a bunch of games because people were always out. The young guys will have opportunities to play, just a matter of if Sullivan wants to give them playing time.