Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

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Did... we actually choose to pivot? Again, the Jake trade was largely forced on us by Jake (smart cookie, that guy), our UFA signings were a disaster. Sullivan can't figure out how to use a 100 point former Norris winner or to run a power play. So, what other moves did we make? Well, we traded Ruhwedel for a 2027 4th.

Again, Dubas says a lot of things, many of which I agree with. Does he actually do any of them? So far? Not really.

I'm not saying Dubas can't make the pivot. I'm saying that until he actually makes a few moves to constitute a trend of changing things, we shouldn't really claim that we're pivoting.
 

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Did... we actually choose to pivot? Again, the Jake trade was largely forced on us by Jake (smart cookie, that guy), our UFA signings were a disaster. Sullivan can't figure out how to use a 100 point former Norris winner or to run a power play. So, what other moves did we make? Well, we traded Ruhwedel for a 2027 4th.

Again, Dubas says a lot of things, many of which I agree with. Does he actually do any of them? So far? Not really.

I'm not saying Dubas can't make the pivot. I'm saying that until he actually makes a few moves to constitute a trend of changing things, we shouldn't really claim that we're pivoting.

Dubas is the Mike Sullivan of GMs without any success. He’s a great white. But then you look at his actual moves.
 
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I don't know if you necessarily need a hard ass, but I agree you need someone you trust to help improve the powerplay.
Absolutely needed an alpha male. Everything was super sleepy this year. How many games were thrown away due to lack of willpower? This team has become so passive at all levels.
Oh well. At least we'll get a higher 1st out of this. And we'll probably will be out of it by the deadline and will be sellers, as we should be. It's not all bad.
 

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The Pens have no real #1 LD or anything resembling one. If their plan is to actually succeed in 2024-25, they better find one.

If Ryan Graves is our #1 LD we have a good chance of missing the playoffs (again).

If POJ is our #1 LD we have a good chance at a top-5 lottery seed.
Yes...but...we do have two #1 RD. They don't often play like it but by most accounts, Letang and EK are #1 dmen. If you have them, you just need a complimentary partner that is "good enough". Pettersson is by no means a #1dman but he's a hell of a top pairing dman for EK or Letang. Same way Dumoulin was. I don't think anyone considered him a #1LD.

As long as you have a competent partner that is "good enough", that's good enough. Jan Rutta was Hedman's top pairing partner in their first cup run.

The ideal situation is to run Petts-EK as your top pairing and then POJ-Letang as your 2nd, and then Graves-JSI or whoever for the 3rd. This is baring any trades or UFA signings. Certainly wouldn't hurt my feeling to sign a 2nd pairing LD for Letang and trade POJ out for a forward.
Did... we actually choose to pivot? Again, the Jake trade was largely forced on us by Jake (smart cookie, that guy), our UFA signings were a disaster. Sullivan can't figure out how to use a 100 point former Norris winner or to run a power play. So, what other moves did we make? Well, we traded Ruhwedel for a 2027 4th.

Again, Dubas says a lot of things, many of which I agree with. Does he actually do any of them? So far? Not really.

I'm not saying Dubas can't make the pivot. I'm saying that until he actually makes a few moves to constitute a trend of changing things, we shouldn't really claim that we're pivoting.
I think Dubas built the team that Mike Sullivan wanted. WIth a lack of success, I do think he'll pivot. Post TDL, we're in this dead zone where not much is happening. Everyone is waiting for the SCF to be over, the cap to reset, and getting ready for the draft. So a lack of moves at the moment doesn't mean there isn't internal decisions being made. I think he's been clear too - he wants young players and draft picks. That's what he said he wanted in the Guentzel return too and that's what he got.

The telling part will be FA for me. If they sign 2-3 30+yo guys as depth guys (like another set of Eller and Acciari) then I'll throw my hands up like everyone else. I think you'll see Smith, POJ, and possibly Jarry being sent out for picks and prospects. Maybe not top notch ones but at least something to have in the system in addition to the cap space.

If you can send Smith out for a 4th and trade POJ for an equal forward - say Grundstrom, Max Jones, Kaliyev, Yamamoto, Dorofeyev, Berggren, etc and commit yourself to inserting young guys into the roster - Poulin, Puustinen, the trade forward, and potentially one or more of Gruden, Kouivunen, Yager, or Broz, it also positions us to take on a bad contract from a cash strapped team with a sweetener. Like, could we get Carolina to give us Jack Drury if we take Kuznetsov? Ryan Johansen or Petersen? Campbell? Gavrikov? You get a good young player or a 2nd or even a 1st from a couple of those, that could help restock as well in the pursuit of rebuilding the young talent pool.
 

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What a garbage hiring. I guess there's...SOME...minor comfort in know that he can't possibly be worse than Reirden. Maybe he can get EK back to Norris form.
 

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Yes...but...we do have two #1 RD. They don't often play like it but by most accounts, Letang and EK are #1 dmen. If you have them, you just need a complimentary partner that is "good enough". Pettersson is by no means a #1dman but he's a hell of a top pairing dman for EK or Letang. Same way Dumoulin was. I don't think anyone considered him a #1LD.

As long as you have a competent partner that is "good enough", that's good enough. Jan Rutta was Hedman's top pairing partner in their first cup run.

The ideal situation is to run Petts-EK as your top pairing and then POJ-Letang as your 2nd, and then Graves-JSI or whoever for the 3rd. This is baring any trades or UFA signings. Certainly wouldn't hurt my feeling to sign a 2nd pairing LD for Letang and trade POJ out for a forward.

I think Dubas built the team that Mike Sullivan wanted. WIth a lack of success, I do think he'll pivot. Post TDL, we're in this dead zone where not much is happening. Everyone is waiting for the SCF to be over, the cap to reset, and getting ready for the draft. So a lack of moves at the moment doesn't mean there isn't internal decisions being made. I think he's been clear too - he wants young players and draft picks. That's what he said he wanted in the Guentzel return too and that's what he got.

The telling part will be FA for me. If they sign 2-3 30+yo guys as depth guys (like another set of Eller and Acciari) then I'll throw my hands up like everyone else. I think you'll see Smith, POJ, and possibly Jarry being sent out for picks and prospects. Maybe not top notch ones but at least something to have in the system in addition to the cap space.

If you can send Smith out for a 4th and trade POJ for an equal forward - say Grundstrom, Max Jones, Kaliyev, Yamamoto, Dorofeyev, Berggren, etc and commit yourself to inserting young guys into the roster - Poulin, Puustinen, the trade forward, and potentially one or more of Gruden, Kouivunen, Yager, or Broz, it also positions us to take on a bad contract from a cash strapped team with a sweetener. Like, could we get Carolina to give us Jack Drury if we take Kuznetsov? Ryan Johansen or Petersen? Campbell? Gavrikov? You get a good young player or a 2nd or even a 1st from a couple of those, that could help restock as well in the pursuit of rebuilding the young talent pool.
If Dubas built the team Sullivan wanted and it failed, why hasn’t the coach been fired, let alone hiring his buddy to his assist him in failing again? lol
 
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What a garbage hiring. I guess there's...SOME...minor comfort in know that he can't possibly be worse than Reirden. Maybe he can get EK back to Norris form.
Maybe not the PP, but he can be worse with the blue line for sure. Pettersson career year. Letang still pretty solid at 36. Above average year for EK defensively. Good work from St. Ivany, etc...
 
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Maybe not the PP, but he can be worse with the blue line for sure. Pettersson career year. Letang still pretty solid at 36. Above average year for EK defensively. Good work from St. Ivany, etc...

David Quinn has been notoriously bad for young talent in the NHL.

He blew the USA game in the Olympics that he ran by bad coaching decisions.

It's just an awful, awful decision.

Sullivan has run this team since JR took his ball and stomped home. The GMs are just window dressing and fall guys.

Maybe one day the GMs will get on Sullivan's level in terms of roster alignment.
 

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lol they are going to tout dual Olympic coaches for Team USA behind the bench as a huge positive aren't they?

This team is definitely not worth taking seriously. Feel bad for the core. Shouldn't have ended like this. We're in it strictly for the lols, now.

Hey now. Kyle Dubas was the GM of a Canadian IIHF team that finished 4th in an international competition.
 

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I'm looking over Quinn's coaching resume going back to NCAA trying to find some positives and I'm not making much progress.
 

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I hate nepo hires. It means the focus is in the wrong place. This team needs to be cleansed of this corruption.

I'm looking over Quinn's coaching resume going back to NCAA trying to find some positives and I'm not making much progress.
I would argue it's the worst possible option out of what was available, for this role.
 

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lol they are going to tout dual Olympic coaches for Team USA behind the bench as a huge positive aren't they?

This team is definitely not worth taking seriously. Feel bad for the core. Shouldn't have ended like this. We're in it strictly for the lols, now.
Of course they are, and dumb yinzers are gonna gobble it up.

We'll get some presser from Dubas and Sullivan after FA opens up and they hand Alex Wennberg a 5 year, $20M deal, and the entire time it'll be about how much they believe in Sid and Geno, and how they know they still have it in 'em to be the class of the NHL.

It's either a grift or it's sheer incompetence.
 

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It's either a grift or it's sheer incompetence.

Nobody is THIS dumb. This is just a big country club echo chamber and has been built as such over the course of years now under our noses. Easy way to pass your days, play golf and smoke cigars lit with 100 dollar bills.

I would argue it's the worst possible option out of what was available, for this role.

I expected it but it's just still so sad and pathetic. Dubas can go jump off a pier for all I care. All this talk about "exerting his will" or "pivoting" or whatever just to hire a guy like Quinn... hilarious.
 
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It's wishful thinking but I just hope all these losers get nuked after Sid gets his farewell Olympics, retires, and allows the era to finally die.

Do not want Sullivan or Quinn or anyone else to be in charge of the next chapter. Scouts suck, coaches suck, FO sucks, ownership sucks. Bleak.
 
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