Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[KrisLetAngry]

Dubois to Kotkaniemi to Nichushkin and now to Skinner. What a summer. What. A. Summer.

This is unfortunatly the options if we want to give up 0 assets.

33, 35, 24 goals last 3 seasons. Rebounded rather nicely.

Yep I'd expect 20 to 30 goals a year for 3 years in a row. Top 6 winger that can shoot and pass.

If we could get him for free with retention that would be how we get him.

As a fellow poster mentioned above. We are not a destination now for players. We have missed the playoffs twice in a row, it's Pittsburgh, and we are coming to the end with a rebuild going to happen.

 

[MayorofWBS]

Thoughts on Tanner Jeannot?

Rather have Jeannot than Noel Acciari or some of the other turd birds on our roster. That said, I wouldn't pay a premium for Jeannot as I don't think he will repeat his great year (scoring wise) that he had in Nashville. I wouldn't trade picks/prospects for Jeannot but would maybe consider a player swap off our NHL roster for Jeannot and I doubt that Tampa would agree to that.

In terms of other names thrown around, I don't think Divisional foes will be trading players to us unless they are truly desparate. I wouldn't hold my breathe on getting a Necas, Laine, etc.

 

[Gurglesons]

Rather have Jeannot than Noel Acciari or some of the other turd birds on our roster. That said, I wouldn't pay a premium for Jeannot as I don't think he will repeat his great year (scoring wise) that he had in Nashville. I wouldn't trade picks/prospects for Jeannot but would maybe consider a player swap off our NHL roster for Jeannot and I doubt that Tampa would agree to that.

In terms of other names thrown around, I don't think Divisional foes will be trading players to us unless they are truly desparate. I wouldn't hold my breathe on getting a Necas, Laine, etc.

Big Jeannot guy. Adds a lot of what we need. 26. Bring him in.

 

[SEALBound]

Big Jeannot guy. Adds a lot of what we need. 26. Bring him in.

I would be all for Jeannot pending price. As we've just witnessed, he's not a guy you should overpay for. But if TB sees it as a sunk cost and wants a reasonable return or player back, I'd be fine exploring that. They need cheap forwards which we are short on unless we want to give up a younger asset like Puustinen. Honestly, Puustinen plus Pens 2nd wouldn't be worst suggestion.

 

[Gurglesons]

I would be all for Jeannot pending price. As we've just witnessed, he's not a guy you should overpay for. But if TB sees it as a sunk cost and wants a reasonable return or player back, I'd be fine exploring that. They need cheap forwards which we are short on unless we want to give up a younger asset like Puustinen. Honestly, Puustinen plus Pens 2nd wouldn't be worst suggestion.

I'm not paying anything for him. A 2nd is way too much and I'd gladly let him walk.

I said this same thing about Sam Bennett though when he was eventually moved... lol.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Thoughts on Tanner Jeannot?

4th round pick and I will take him.

A lot of potential but Tampa needs to clear cap.

I'd even do a 4th round pick that gets upgraded to a 3rd round pick if he scores 15 goals.

 

[SEALBound]

I wonder if we could trade Bemstrom's RFA rights for Taylor Raddysh's RFA rights.

Stats are very similar, except Bemstrom is 2 years younger.

 

[Ryder71]

I wonder if we could trade Bemstrom's RFA rights for Taylor Raddysh's RFA rights.

Stats are very similar, except Bemstrom is 2 years younger.

We need more seismic moves, such moves as u propose unfortunately don't really move the needle as much.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I don’t think Pittsburgh is as big of a drag as some of you do. Plenty of pro athletes maintain homes here or move here entirely after playing for one of the pro teams.

Also, there are only so many jobs in the NHL and a shit ton of players. I think we could attract most FA’s, especially if they’ll get paid fair.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I'm honestly shocked to hear Jeff Skinner is *only* 32.

Me too lol

 

[Pens1566]

I don’t think Pittsburgh is as big of a drag as some of you do. Plenty of pro athletes maintain homes here or move here entirely after playing for one of the pro teams.

Also, there are only so many jobs in the NHL and a shit ton of players. I think we could attract most FA’s, especially if they’ll get paid fair.

I can't think of the last "name" UFA we were able to sign. Paul Martin?

You also have to consider that signing on to the dying years (at best) of a playoff run is a pretty hard sell as well.

This just isn't an attractive organization overall.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Were the Penguins never able to pull off top tier UFAs because Pittsburgh isn't an attractive market, or is it because they have had no cap space for a majority of the Crosby/Malkin era and can't compete financially with other teams?

I'd be willing to bet it's more the latter than the former.

 

[Gurglesons]

Were the Penguins never able to pull off top tier UFAs because Pittsburgh isn't an attractive market, or is it because they have had no cap space for a majority of the Crosby/Malkin era and can't compete financially with other teams?

I'd be willing to bet it's more the latter than the former.

It's because Pittsburgh isn't an attractive market.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I think it’s both tbh. DC is great example of landing few FAs and it’s a Tier 1 market. Largely due to Ovi, Backstrom, Carlson already being there IMO.

Pens are very fortunate that they have a good reputation for how they treat players and history of having superstars at this point. Could easily be CBJ IMO. There are definite pros to Pittsburgh (golf scene being a massive one for NHLers), and it’s good that this is the NHL so you’re competing with cities like Winnipeg, Edmonton.

But it’s pretty hard for Pittsburgh to compete for millionaires compared to large cities and weather/tax-advantaged markets. IMO team has to be good to land FAs without overpaying. I’d put Pittsburgh in a similar bucket as the Raleigh and Columbus markets.

 

[chethejet]

Compared to who. Pittsburgh is not expensive and offers the amenities of major cities. Plus, get real, hot as hell in Florida, the southwest, water issues and hurricanes, tornados and NY is a cesspool now. Maybe players are liking decent places to live and can travel on occasion to areas of interest.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Compared to who. Pittsburgh is not expensive and offers the amenities of major cities. Plus, get real, hot as hell in Florida, the southwest, water issues and hurricanes, tornados and NY is a cesspool now. Maybe players are liking decent places to live and can travel on occasion to areas of interest.

cost of living- they’re not 9-5ers. If anything it maybe comes into play if a vet wants a SFH in suburbs for young kids near rink and that could work against a market like NYC perhaps. Either way “poorest” player is making 700k with per diem and meals and half year on road and that player isn’t really applicable to a discussion about landing big FAs.

Amenities- just not true man. Nightlife, women, dining, beaches, boating in Pittsburgh etc not even close to many cities. Pittsburgh has a great golf scene though.

Temperature - NHL season is during peak Florida weather. It’s absolutely beautiful there during winter. Season is over when it gets unbearable. Massive advantage for TB and FLA.

Pittsburgh has its appeals, and there’s definitely certain types of people that prefer the slower place. Would be real solid place to raise a family too. Just doesn’t seem to line up with what “most” NHLers seem to prefer. Obviously everyone is different.

 

[Gurglesons]

cost of living- they’re not 9-5ers. If anything it maybe comes into play if a vet wants a SFH in suburbs for young kids near rink and that could work against a market like NYC perhaps. Either way “poorest” player is making 700k with per diem and meals and half year on road and that player isn’t really applicable to a discussion about landing big FAs.

Amenities- just not true man. Nightlife, women, dining, beaches, boating in Pittsburgh etc not even close to many cities. Pittsburgh has a great golf scene though.

Temperature - NHL season is during peak Florida weather. It’s absolutely beautiful there during winter. Season is over when it gets unbearable. Massive advantage for TB and FLA.

Pittsburgh has its appeals, and there’s definitely certain types of people that prefer the slower place. Would be real solid place to raise a family too. Just doesn’t seem to line up with what “most” NHLers seem to prefer. Obviously everyone is different.

Similar to St. Louis, I think once players get here they want to stay, but realistically the issue is convicing them to sign here over big markets.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Similar to St. Louis, I think once players get here they want to stay, but realistically the issue is convicing them to sign here over big markets.

That’s a great comp. Very similar in that the downtown offers very little as well.

 

[Ulf5]

I think it’s both tbh. DC is great example of landing few FAs and it’s a Tier 1 market. Largely due to Ovi, Backstrom, Carlson already being there IMO.

Pens are very fortunate that they have a good reputation for how they treat players and history of having superstars at this point. Could easily be CBJ IMO. There are definite pros to Pittsburgh (golf scene being a massive one for NHLers), and it’s good that this is the NHL so you’re competing with cities like Winnipeg, Edmonton.

But it’s pretty hard for Pittsburgh to compete for millionaires compared to large cities and weather/tax-advantaged markets. IMO team has to be good to land FAs without overpaying. I’d put Pittsburgh in a similar bucket as the Raleigh and Columbus markets.

To go a step further, what young millionaire wants to move to Pittsburgh? The nightlife is a joke compared to the major cities. Most of the city itself is shutdown by 9-10 pm.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Were the Penguins never able to pull off top tier UFAs because Pittsburgh isn't an attractive market, or is it because they have had no cap space for a majority of the Crosby/Malkin era and can't compete financially with other teams?

I'd be willing to bet it's more the latter than the former.

Hossa is the big one that comes to mind. There was the whole Suter/Parise thing that seemed Minnesota destined anyway. Iggy chose us via trade. I don't recall there being a ton of chatter in the offseasons those years of us trying to land a big FA, most of the work was always done via trade.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Rather have Jeannot than Noel Acciari or some of the other turd birds on our roster. That said, I wouldn't pay a premium for Jeannot as I don't think he will repeat his great year (scoring wise) that he had in Nashville. I wouldn't trade picks/prospects for Jeannot but would maybe consider a player swap off our NHL roster for Jeannot and I doubt that Tampa would agree to that.

In terms of other names thrown around, I don't think Divisional foes will be trading players to us unless they are truly desparate. I wouldn't hold my breathe on getting a Necas, Laine, etc.

Don't forget, players like Noel Acciari (and Brock McGinn before him) were not "turd birds" before Sullivan. SO, there is every reason to believe Jeannot will just be the latest to go in the junkyard.

We should take a swing or two, but perhaps not for someone who has fallen so spectacularly so quickly as Jeannot.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hossa is the big one that comes to mind. There was the whole Suter/Parise thing that seemed Minnesota destined anyway. Iggy chose us via trade. I don't recall there being a ton of chatter in the offseasons those years of us trying to land a big FA, most of the work was always done via trade.

Hossa and Iggy both walked in UFA. Wouldn't that be a demonstration of exaclty what we are saying?

They both left for bigger markets in Detroit and Boston.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Mitch Marner seems like the type of player who would want/enjoy to live and play for the Penguins in Pittsburgh. I don't know why I think that, but it seems like a lifestyle fit.

Now, how to acquire him without hurting the team...

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Hossa and Iggy both walked in UFA. Wouldn't that be a demonstration of exaclty what we are saying?

They both left for bigger markets in Detroit and Boston.

I meant Hossa in terms of an FA sub. Iggy idr if we had room for in the off-season, I felt like the book on that going in was it was always going to be a rental? Again, too long ago. Regardless, no, we're not NY, but, all things considered, we're probably closer to there than, say, Winnipeg.

Now, how to acquire him without hurting the team

What's there to hurt?

 

[SEALBound]

I can't think of the last "name" UFA we were able to sign. Paul Martin?

You also have to consider that signing on to the dying years (at best) of a playoff run is a pretty hard sell as well.

This just isn't an attractive organization overall.

I mean, it's all relative. I would suggest that with the likes of Sid, Geno, Letang, Fluery, Murray, Jake, etc and the number of good trades we've made, there hasn't always been a pressing need to go out and get the big fish in free agency.

You can go on CapFriendly and search the GM and see signings and filter out the Pens.

Shero big fish:
Martin and Zbynek in July 2010.

Rutherford big fish:
Christian Ehrhoff in 2014

Hextall:
McGinn and Rutta

Dubas:
Graves
Eller
Acciari

The VAST majority of big names this club has on the roster and resigned are either trades or draftees.