GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

We want?!

  • A shrubbery

    Votes: 25 22.5%
  • Chychrun

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • Karlsson

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Some other big name player

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Gritty bottom 6 player

    Votes: 11 9.9%
  • Gritty bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Offensive bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Goalie

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Some crazy move out of left field

    Votes: 16 14.4%
  • To be sellers

    Votes: 32 28.8%

  • Total voters
    111
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Zirakzigil

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*** Keep this thread to Penguins related trades, rumors, rumblings, etc only please.***

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Keep NHL related talk to this thread please:
 

Turin

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Entertaining the JVR thing for a second and forgetting about Chychrun:

2024 2nd, Friedman, Carter for JVR 50% retained
McGinn, 1st for Gaudreau, Greenway and a 3rd (I don't know how much Freddy is available but he would be a good fit). 1st might be overkill, but I don't see why Guerin would trade Gaudreau without a bit of an overpayment.

Now your bottom six is JVR-Gaudreau-Heinen and Greenway-Blueger-Archibald w/ DOC and Poehling.
 

Ryder71

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While I would love to get a top 3 pick, I'm also realistic that we won't get one with Sid, Geno and Letang in the lineup and other veterans on the team. If I am going to trade 1st round picks, it needs to be for younger players. Chychrun is only 24, by the time we draft a player and hope he pans out, we're talking 4-5 years minimum. Basically I don't think 1st rounders will be important to us for another 2-3 seasons. After that, yes as most veterans will be leaving or traded, that's when it's time to cash in and be careful.
Well, first off this is supposed to be a pretty strong draft. So I would rather not give up a pic if I can help it. Also, the Rumblings from various people some I trust some I don't is that Arizona one's first round picks in 25 and 26. How bad might we be at that point. That's where my concern lies. We might give up a first round pick in three or four years and it could be a top five pick. Because if we're going to give away a pic that far out, again which I think would be absolutely ridiculous that could be a franchise quality player. Maybe not a generational talent but a quality player that could be a Cornerstone to this franchise for many many years to come. And I don't suspect that Arizona would allow us to have Lottery protection year in a year out.
 

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Yeah I don’t get the age argument. The last thing in the world that has been an issue in the last two exits has been Crosby and Malkin.

Remember when Malkin’s career was over after that leg surgery?

I'm just going to point out that Crosby was atrocious in 2021 and then take a shower.

Flame away.
 

Night Shift

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They just re-signed Geno and Letang. Starting a rebuild in year 1 of their contracts would be a stab in the back.

Sometimes I think people forget how old these guys are :laugh:.

I also think they forget how old they are and do a disservice by not committing to a slower defensive style of hockey as stated above.

Secondly it's business. And I'm in the business of getting younger and quicker.
 

Ryder71

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I'm just going to point out that Crosby was atrocious in 2021 and then take a shower.

Flame away.
I won't flame. I'm not saying that Sid did not perform well in all those series, but there were a few where he left a lot to be desired. At some point the big boys have to win a damn playoff round. And they've lost five consecutive series. So do we owe the core? Or do they owe us? I think it's the ladder truth be told. To be clear it's not all on them but they've had five successive playoff losses in series. They aren't the only reason we lost, goaltending and such injuries and such, but you'd think with players that caliber at least in one of those series we would have found a way.
 

Turin

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I personally have never done drugs besides eating one edible, but I have to imagine the people who look at this team and think "you know what this teams problem is? The stars won't commit to playing like the Trotz Islanders" are on serious drugs.
 

Nakawick

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Don't remember late 30s I guess? Was that team better than this team? I suspect they were.
That team went a few years between their back to back and the last one in 2002.
Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom with some scoring wingers near the end of their careers. They were a veteran team.
 

3ladesof5teel

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Some of you just don't get it. If you keep trading first round picks year after year after year, not only will we be abysmal, during those years we won't have any first round picks to replenish our Prospect pool. And if we continue along that path we might have a second or third overall pick that's already spoken for because we traded it 4 years before. You might not care now, but you will care then. Unless of course some of you have a terminal condition and you're going to die in a year or two.
It's what you do when you have generational talent. It's made 16 years of playoffs appearances which is the most in sports history.

It's expected and many don't realize how impressive of a feat it is. Did giving up the 1st always work? Absolutely not, but it put you in position to get to the big game. That's all you can do.

The NHL is a tough game and even the best teams on paper dont always win. While our stars are still more than competent I am all about spending the 1st until the wheels fall of b/c no matter what there was going to be ugly after this.

Any team in the NHL would give it all up to be in the position we were in those 16 years. Just ask all those Canadian teams and fans that don't even sniff what we have had.
 
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Night Shift

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How old was his idle when he won his final cup?

Yzerman was 32 I believe the year of his final cup. I'll look it up.

Edit: Ok so I forgot he was there that long. 37 in 2002. But as Ryder alluded this was pre lockout with no cap and the Dead puck era.
 
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Ryder71

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That team went a few years between their back to back and the last one in 2002.
Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom with some scoring wingers near the end of their careers. They were a veteran team.
That was before the cap era. And just because it happened to them does it mean it's commonplace in this league. Again with this core we've lost five consecutive playoff series. You think about that now. We have the same core, they're older, and we have the same coach. What all of a sudden makes you think anything's going to be different this time?
 
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Le Magnifique 66

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Well, first off this is supposed to be a pretty strong draft. So I would rather not give up a pic if I can help it. Also, the Rumblings from various people some I trust some I don't is that Arizona one's first round picks in 25 and 26. How bad might we be at that point. That's where my concern lies. We might give up a first round pick in three or four years and it could be a top five pick. Because if we're going to give away a pic that far out, again which I think would be absolutely ridiculous that could be a franchise quality player. Maybe not a generational talent but a quality player that could be a Cornerstone to this franchise for many many years to come. And I don't suspect that Arizona would allow us to have Lottery protection year in a year out.
I know, hey trust me I'm on your side and I'd be going in that direction if it was up to me. I've been saying it for a few weeks now that we should mail it in. But I know it's not going to happen with this franchise as they brought back the big 3. I'm just hoping we can be both buyers ( smart young with term ) and sellers at the same time, et rid of expiring deals
 
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It's what you do when you have generational talent. It's made 16 years of playoffs appearances which is the most in sports history.

It's expected and many don't realize how impressive of a feat it is. Did giving up the 1st always work? Absolutely not, but it put you in position to get to the big game. That's all you can do.

The NHL is a tough game and even the best teams on paper dont always win. While our stars are still more than competent I am all about spending the 1st until the wheels fall of b/c no matter what there was going to be ugly after this.

Any team in the NHL would give it all up to be in the position we were in those 16 years. Just ask all those Canadian teams and fans that don't even sniff what we have had.
Detroit made 25 years straight of playoff appearances, which we aint touching.
 
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3ladesof5teel

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Age doesn't mean jack......performance does and our "old" players play better than most 25 year olds.

I've been saying it since the Geno's too old and injury prone clan have been pumping the shop him out train.
 

Ugene Magic

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Sometimes I think people forget how old these guys are :laugh:.

I also think they forget how old they are and do a disservice by not committing to a slower defensive style of hockey as stated above.

Secondly it's business. And I'm in the business of getting younger and quicker.

Moreso, they need that depth and balance. You look at all those teams winning over the years, now actually peak through those rosters and look at age, depth and speed, and then you'll realize they were a mixed bag. The Pens were too.

So I don't disagree some youth/speed could be added, but just adding that is not gonna make the whole thing work. Roles, some experience/guidance.

McGinn = speed
Kapanen = speed

We can go on and on about speed, but if it doesn't mesh or have a purpose that speed is useless.
 

Ryder71

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Age doesn't mean jack......performance does and our "old" players play better than most 25 year olds.

I've been saying it since the Geno's too old and injury prone clan have been pumping the shop him out train.
Well, these old players haven't won a playoff series since they were 30 years old. Well, Genos case I guess he was 31. Is it everyone else's fault?
 
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Yzerman was 32 I believe the year of his final cup. I'll look it up.
And yzermans 32 is different then the current 32. Just the sheer about of options for a players health and recovery/supplements has come a long ways since Yzermans 32.

Of course mileage means a lot too and the toll it takes on the human body but players today for the most part should be much healthier and be able to recover faster than their counterparts 20-30 years ago.
 
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That was before the cap era. And just because it happened to them does it mean it's commonplace in this league. Again with this core we've lost five consecutive playoff series. You think about that now. We have the same core, they're older, and we have the same coach. What all of a sudden makes you think anything's going to be different this time?
Detroit was also the last team to win back to back, in the 90's. Until they weren't. You owe it to Crosby and Malkin to give them a punchers chance and then rebuild when they are gone. The Pens don't have to go ALL IN, but to not actively seek to improve the team or use their 1sts on young controlled players if that came up is just madness.
 

Ryder71

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They made it to the finals 6 times and won 4.
That's tremendous! But making the playoffs year in a year out to me is no big deal. The important thing is winning championships. And if we don't win championships I'd rather finish low, a crew good players and Prospects through the draft. And be a perennial Contender for a cop. As opposed to squeaking into the playoffs here in a year out.
 
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And yzermans 32 is different then the current 32. Just the sheer about of options for a players health and recovery/supplements has come a long ways since Yzermans 32.

Of course mileage means a lot too and the toll it takes on the human body but players today for the most part should be much healthier and be able to recover faster than thier counterparts 20-30 years ago.

There are parts of the way the game was played back in the 90s I do miss but yeah, back then compared to now is like night and day almost.
 
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