GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

We want?!

  • A shrubbery

    Votes: 25 22.5%
  • Chychrun

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • Karlsson

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Some other big name player

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Gritty bottom 6 player

    Votes: 11 9.9%
  • Gritty bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Offensive bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Goalie

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Some crazy move out of left field

    Votes: 16 14.4%
  • To be sellers

    Votes: 32 28.8%

  • Total voters
    111
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Zirakzigil

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*** Keep this thread to Penguins related trades, rumors, rumblings, etc only please.***

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Keep NHL related talk to this thread please:
 

Ryder71

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Detroit was also the last team to win back to back, in the 90's. Until they weren't. You owe it to Crosby and Malkin to give them a punchers chance and then rebuild when they are gone. The Pens don't have to go ALL IN, but to not actively seek to improve the team or use their 1sts on young controlled players if that came up is just madness.
Well, I feel pretty confident that they will do something to bolster the lineup. I still go back to the fact and you can look it up, that this team has not won a playoff series in five successive tries. Who's to blame for that anybody but the core? Clearly other people were at fault in some of those instances, but not every single time. I just want to know what all the sudden is going to be different this time around?
 

3ladesof5teel

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That's tremendous! But making the playoffs year in a year out to me is no big deal. The important thing is winning championships. And if we don't win championships I'd rather finish low, a crew good players and Prospects through the draft. And be a perennial Contender for a cop. As opposed to squeaking into the playoffs here in a year out.
I guess you don't really understand how hard it is to win the Stanley Cup.

You can have the best team and the best players but a lot of luck has to go your way as well.

That's why getting to the playoffs is so important. Anything can happen.
 

Ryder71

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Don't think owners think that way, the more $$$ the better.
If you win several Stanley Cups during that time that means you go to the whole way of the end of the playoffs. You generate plenty of Revenue in those instances, as well as tons of merchandise. Think of it this way, if you won a Stanley cup hell even getting to the finals, that would mean as much revenue and likely more because you can charge more as you go along to the Conference Finals and finals as you would say getting bounced in the first round four consecutive years as we have just done. You think about that now.
 

Night Shift

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Detroit was also the last team to win back to back, in the 90's. Until they weren't. You owe it to Crosby and Malkin to give them a punchers chance and then rebuild when they are gone. The Pens don't have to go ALL IN, but to not actively seek to improve the team or use their 1sts on young controlled players if that came up is just madness.

In Free agency sure, giving it a punchers chance doesn't have to involve wasting assets
 

Ryder71

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I guess you don't really understand how hard it is to win the Stanley Cup.

You can have the best team and the best players but a lot of luck has to go your way as well.

That's why getting to the playoffs is so important. Anything can happen.
I understand perfectly. Believe me I've been around a lot longer than you I feel very confident in saying. I understand how it works, but losing in five consecutive playoff series doesn't exactly fill my heart with confidence. And it's the same coach as well as the same core. So you tell me how this is going to be different? Particularly with an incredible arms race in the east?
 

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If you win several Stanley Cups during that time that means you go to the whole way of the end of the playoffs. You generate plenty of Revenue in those instances, as well as tons of merchandise. Think of it this way, if you won a Stanley cup hell even getting to the finals, that would mean as much revenue and likely more because you can charge more as you go along to the Conference Finals and finals as you would say getting bounced in the first round four consecutive years as we have just done. You think about that now.
But winning cups is not a guarantee even with your strategy. You might not even have a good roster if you draft the wrong players.
 

Ryder71

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But winning cups is not a guarantee even with your strategy. You might not even have a good roster if you draft the wrong players.
Nothing is guaranteed. But just making the playoffs and squeaking in doesn't mean that much to me.
 

3ladesof5teel

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I understand perfectly. Believe me I've been around a lot longer than you I feel very confident in saying. I understand how it works, but losing in five consecutive playoff series doesn't exactly fill my heart with confidence. And it's the same coach as well as the same core. So you tell me how this is going to be different? Particularly with an incredible arms race in the east?
I am not confident at all in this roster.

We definitely need help. But it's going to be dark here anyway in 3-4 years even if we collect 1st round draft picks. Look at all the 1OA picks Edmonton messed up. There's no guarantee hoarding picks.

I'm all about giving these guys the support they need right now and using those picks b/c while I am not confident in this team I think either Sid or Geno are definitely capable of going off at any given time and you never know.
 

Ryder71

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To Pens management it does though.
Which is why they're probably going to make a big mistake here at the deadline. Hopefully they won't, but I suspect a lot of you as I've said now for a few hours will be pretty happy with what you see.
 
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3ladesof5teel

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Nothing is guaranteed. But just making the playoffs and squeaking in doesn't mean that much to me.
Making the playoffs is alot closer to winning the thing that not making them.

7 game series can get pretty wild and you never know. Its a whole new season
 

ChaosAgent

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I think all 4 options of:

Big Time Sell
Small Sell
Small Buy
Big Time Buy

Could be viable. We're in a weird tweener zone where there isn't an obvious decision. This may be our last good chance. We may have another next year. But also we may be totally out of luck with this group and contrary to what others say every asset helps in putting together our next viable team down the road.

It's also hard to overlook that we still have a stale coach in Sully and an attachment to Carter who is annihilating a whole sector of this team.

Big Shrug but my lizard brain hopes there's a big move just for the short term excitement of it.
 
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Ugene Magic

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Yzerman was 36/37 when he won his last cup (2002) as a player, but he had a bum knee/leg which Crosby doesn't. he retired at 39/40.
 

Ryder71

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Making the playoffs is alot closer to winning the thing that not making them.

7 game series can get pretty wild and you never know. Its a whole new season
Not necessarily, if you get into the lottery because you missed the playoffs and you luck out and get a top two or three pick then maybe not. Look at the teams that are perpetually in the middle. Teams like the Minnesota wild, they're generally pretty good but they never go anywhere. I would rather be at the top or at the bottom. Being in the middle is no place to be.
 

3ladesof5teel

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My biggest concern and what I suspect really is the disconnect between the coach and GM.

Not a good recipe for success
 

ChaosAgent

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Yzerman was 36/37 when he won his last cup (2002) as a player, but he had a bum knee/leg which Crosby doesn't. he retired at 39/40.

His team also won 8 playoff series in the 4 years beforehand which, if my math is correct, is more than 0. Maybe Sid needs to get "off the snide." ;)
 
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Which is why they're probably going to make a big mistake here at the deadline. Hopefully they won't, but I suspect a lot of you as I've said now for a few hours will be pretty happy with what you see.
I'll be happy with what I see when they fire that coach of ours and hire a better one for this team. Truely go all in. It's not about having the best coach, it's about having the right coach for the team at this current time which Sully isn't anymore. Whatever happens after that? happens. Pens would be better off fixing their bottom 6 instead of going all in for certain players though. If your bottom 6 aint helping you you aint going very far.
 

3ladesof5teel

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Not necessarily, if you get into the lottery because you missed the playoffs and you luck out and get a top two or three pick then maybe not. Look at the teams that are perpetually in the middle. Teams like the Minnesota wild, they're generally pretty good but they never go anywhere. I would rather be at the top or at the bottom. Being in the middle is no place to be.
We are nowhere near the team Minnesota Wild personal wise. We still have 2 of the best present day C's to play the game still playing at a high level. What the hell do the Wild have.....Freddy G as their 2C?
 

Ryder71

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We are nowhere near the team Minnesota Wild personal wise. We still have 2 of the best present day C's to play the game still playing at a high level. What the hell do the Wild have.....Freddy G as their 2C?
We are as far as the standings go. And for all the great players we have we still haven't won a playoff series since 2018. Sometimes the blame falls on the goaltending, sometimes on coaching, maybe sometimes on injury, but we haven't figured out a way to win in the past 5 years. And keep in mind we blew several to goal leads against the Rangers last year. I just want to know what's going to change this time around? And against a much tougher eastern conference.
 
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That was before the cap era. And just because it happened to them does it mean it's commonplace in this league. Again with this core we've lost five consecutive playoff series. You think about that now. We have the same core, they're older, and we have the same coach. What all of a sudden makes you think anything's going to be different this time?
If you want to see the Penguins win cups, then this is your best window of opportunity. Sid’s contract. You aren’t sniffing another cup for at least a decade. And you better hope you get players like Mackinnon or Makar or Draisaitl or Toews or Ovy and not Yakupov or Puljujarvi or Bennett.

You get franchise players in the top of the drafts. This plane is going to crash and burn whether we want it or not. It is inevitable. Our late first round picks or someone else’s late round 1st or 2nds are not changing the above. Unless absolutely necessary to move a player (Dumo or Zucker) to make salary work that would return a pick to be used immediately to acquire an improvement.

This is not a high profile rental year. But if we miss out on Chychrun or a cost controlled center because of a 1st or 2nd round picks, GMRH doesn’t understand his job.
 

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Yzerman was 36/37 when he won his last cup (2002) as a player, but he had a bum knee/leg which Crosby doesn't. he retired at 39/40.

He also had a whole team carry him. He wasn't "the guy" at 37. Also a big difference.

Imagine if 37 Yzerman had our roster and coach then....Yikes man.
 
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