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[ChaosAgent]

His Detroit team was a late bloomer, Crosby did more before Yzerman ever had.

I'm trying to understand your point. That because Yzerman captained a team whose payroll was almost double league average?

Who also had a player named, uh, Lidstrom?

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"Detroit's payroll for the 2001-2002 season was $65 million (current NHL salary cap, $64.3 million) and the deep pockets of Mike Ilitch were a clear advantage in the pre-salary cap NHL."

But whatever, time's a flat circle and Crosby will win a Cup if Hextall buys, just like Stevie Y did because Crosby was better than Stevie Y (he was/is). Logical.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

We are as far as the standings go. And for all the great players we have we still haven't won a playoff series since 2018. Sometimes that was on the goaltending, sometimes on coaching, maybe sometimes on injury, but we haven't figured out a way to win in the past 5 years. And keep in mind we blew several to goal leads against the Rangers last year. I just want to know what's going to change this time around? And against a much tougher conference.

Well I remember 75% of the board writing us off last year against the Rags before the series even started and I'm glad they didn't give up and sell off players. Even though they lost it was a memorable series.

It's not going to be easy and I'll be pretty pissed if Hextall doesn't address some needs. Guys didn't come back this off-season just to run though the motions. It's his job to give them a chance.

This deadline will definitely sway my opinion of him one way or another and while I know there isn't much to work with there should be some solid options out there.

 

[Ryder71]

Last thing I want to say on this particular matter, I'm not against our core, I'm merely saying that it's been a long time since we succeeded in the playoff series. Now, let's say we made it out of the first round last year and beat the Rangers. I know our circumstances in goal were horrific. But we should have found a way to win despite sid missing a couple games and the goaltending being that ridiculous. That said, if we would have found a way to win that series, then I would be a little bit more likely to want to go all in. But we've had excuse after excuse from 2018 till the present day. At some point the excuses stopped and the desired results were achieved.

 

[Tender Rip]

Detroit made 25 years straight of playoff appearances, which we aint touching.

Of which the vast majority was before the salary cap. Boston made it 29 times in a row before that. Also when the league had much fewer teams.

Pens doing it all in the salary cap period is a different kind of accomplishment. Not necessarily something to self-immolate to sustain, but a significant accomplishment just the same.

 

[Night Shift]

If you want to see the Penguins win cups, then this is your best window of opportunity. Sid’s contract. You aren’t sniffing another cup for at least a decade.

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

It's also depends on your definition of a contender.

Last year the Rags were a contender and we were supposed to be their punching bag. We held our own.

I am of the opinion you get to the playoffs and it's a new season. Throw everything else out the window

 

[ChaosAgent]

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

Hypothetically if we could make a miracle run to the ECF that would be very satisfying. Like Mario's comeback season. Sometimes those are the most entertaining outcomes.

I don't want to lose sight of the fact that no path is perfect or obvious in our current situation. The only thing that sets off my alarm bells is Sullivan and some fans begging Hextall to trade unprotected 2025-2026 firsts, when we may be truly awful (which is why AZ wants them so badly). Aside from that, I'm open minded at this point.

 

[Night Shift]

It's also depends on your definition of a contender.

Last year the Rags were a contender and we were supposed to be their punching bag. We held our own.

I am of the opinion you get to the playoffs and it's a new season. Throw everything else out the window

I know and we played better as a team I thought last year. This year things are in disarray with practically the same roster and they're also another year older. Eventually this age thing is going to bite us sooner than later.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'm trying to understand your point. That because Yzerman captained a team whose payroll was almost double league average?

Who also had a player named, uh, Lidstrom?

They loaded up and were top heavy, not so indifferent than the Pens. The Pens had two generational talents. They also loaded up. Who cares about the cap differences. Each made it work.

My point in the last post was that Crosby did more faster and younger than Yzerman ever did. You did say Sid had to catchup, (about 8 playoff wins) but Sid had already done more sooner. Why does he have to catch up?

 

[Nakawick]

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

Were you on these boards in December 2015? Or when it was made official that Letang was ruled out for the season? I mean, what are you cheering for at this point?

 

[Sorry]

I completely forgot Scott Harrington still played in the NHL even tho the Pens played the Sharks two weeks ago. Good for him.

 

[Night Shift]

Hypothetically if we could make a miracle run to the ECF that would be very satisfying. Like Mario's comeback season. Sometimes those are the most entertaining outcomes.

I don't want to lose sight of the fact that no path is perfect or obvious in our current situation. The only thing that sets off my alarm bells is Sullivan and some fans begging Hextall to trade unprotected 2025-2026 firsts, when we may be truly awful (which is why AZ wants them so badly). Aside from that, I'm open minded at this point.

I tried to think back to even Florida in 96 for hope. but that team was defensively responsible with elite goaltending. Things we currently don't have.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I know and we played better as a team I thought last year. This year things are in disarray with practically the same roster and they're also another year older. Eventually this age thing is going to bite us sooner than later.

Go read the boards from last year. It was doom and gloom and the Rags were going to spank us.

I agree it doesn't look good but let's worry about getting there 1st and hope that Hextall does some things to address the inconsistencies with this roster.

I just hope Sullivan and Hex can get on the same page because there seems to be some issues there and that can unfortunately be detrimental to the team in an unfair way.

 

[Pancakes]

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

I feel like it goes the other way a bit too though. People have this dream that if we just hold onto our first round picks we won't crater after Sid and Geno retire/get bad.

The tank is coming.

 

[Night Shift]

Were you on these boards in December 2015? Or when it was made official that Letang was ruled out for the season? I mean, what are you cheering for at this point?

Oh so because you disagree with my point, we're gonna throw a fit?

LETS THROW A FIT!

 

[Ryder71]

I feel like it goes the other way a bit too though. People have this dream that if we just hold onto our first round picks we won't crater after Sid and Geno retire/get bad.

The tank is coming.

Oh, I want us to be as horrible as possible. That would likely mean perennial top five draft picks. At least for a couple few years there. That's the best way to rebuild it from the ground up.

 

[Night Shift]

Go read the boards from last year. It was doom and gloom and the Rags were going to spank us.

except for me, you and a hand full of others who thought we were going to win that series.

I voted Pens in 4. I think I was the only one.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I feel like it goes the other way a bit too though. People have this dream that if we just hold onto our first round picks we won't crater after Sid and Geno retire/get bad.

The tank is coming.

The 1st rounds picks don't work for more teams than they do if that makes any sense.

Of course every teams different but look at some of the teams that held their 1st for years grabbing player after player only to be disappointed.

 

[ChaosAgent]

They loaded up and were top heavy, not so indifferent than the Pens. The Pens had two generational talents. They also loaded up. Who cares about the cap differences. Each made it work.

My point in the last post was that Crosby did more faster and younger than Yzerman ever did. You did say Sid had to catchup, (about 8 playoff wins) but Sid had already done more sooner. Why does he have to catch up?

Yzerman's team had 8 more playoff wins which indicates that he had a far better team around him than Crosby does.

This isn't about Crosby vs. Yzerman. Crosby is better than Yzerman. Duh. It's about this romantic notion you concocted that since Yzerman won at age 36 so too will Crosby.

What is your pathway to making us as good on paper as Boston, Toronto, the Rangers, and New Jersey? Let alone able to actually beat the Canes? Because the Red Wings were the best team on paper in the league and preseason favorites.

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We are currently middle of the pack.

I feel like it goes the other way a bit too though. People have this dream that if we just hold onto our first round picks we won't crater after Sid and Geno retire/get bad.

The tank is coming.

If we give up our 2025-2026 1sts that is lunacy. That lets Arizona capitalize on the tank. I'm more open to our 2022 1st/prospect and the 2023 1st.

 

[Ugene Magic]

People in denial get emotional and angry when it's stating the reality that this is no longer a SC contender.

It may not happen, but nobody was considering them one in 15/16, nobody was considering LA one the years they were dancing outside the playoff bracket. Shit happens, and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, but throwing chances away because you don't try or don't want to try is just as lame.

Montreal statistically should never have been in the playoffs, but they were awarded a playin, and took it all the way to the finals.

You take your chances and you worry about the future later. Nothing gained by punting out is gonna lead to some core to build around. This team will not see another generational talent for some time. What's everyone's hurry to be mediocre? If that.

 

[Pancakes]

Oh, I want us to be as horrible as possible. That would likely mean perennial top five draft picks. At least for a couple few years there. That's the best way to rebuild it from the ground up.

Same. Don't worry though, it'll happen I think regardless of what approach Hextall takes. Not this year or next, but after that.

If we give up our 2025-2026 1sts that is lunacy. That lets Arizona capitalize on the tank. I'm more open to our 2022 1st/prospect and the 2023 1st.

For sure. Our first rounder this year or next can be on the table, but anything past that should be off limits for now. Too many unknowns there.

 

[Night Shift]

I feel like it goes the other way a bit too though. People have this dream that if we just hold onto our first round picks we won't crater after Sid and Geno retire/get bad.

The tank is coming.

The tank is coming yes whether we like it or not.

We are just in disagreement in how we get to that point.

There is no guarantee any first round picks panning out but that is what we are hoping for in that the work put in by the GM and scouting staff that they are able to make the right selections.

 

[Ryder71]

Same. Don't worry though, it'll happen I think regardless of what approach Hextall takes. Not this year or next, but after that.


For sure. Our first rounder this year or next can be on the table, but anything past that should be off limits for now. Too many unknowns there.

If we are going to trade such draft picks I agree, it should be this year or next. I prefer not to give up this year, however I certainly do not want to give up picks in '25 or '26. 100% against that notion.

 

[ChaosAgent]

It may not happen, but nobody was considering them one in 15/16, nobody was considering LA one the years they were dancing outside the playoff bracket. Shit happens, and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, but throwing chances away because you don't try or don't want to try is just as lame.

Montreal statistically should never have been in the playoffs, but they were awarded a playin, and took it all the way to the finals.

You take your chances and you worry about the future later. Nothing gained by punting out is gonna lead to some core to build around. This team will not see another generational talent for some time. What's everyone's hurry to be mediocre? If that.

The names on either side of Crosby in the scoring race are William Nylander and Kirill Kaprizov.

Imagine saying "we gotta go all in while Nylander/Kaprizov is playing at this level." Sounds silly.

I'm open to whatever. No obvious path.

 

[Turin]

Same. Don't worry though, it'll happen I think regardless of what approach Hextall takes. Not this year or next, but after that.


For sure. Our first rounder this year or next can be on the table, but anything past that should be off limits for now. Too many unknowns there.

And even if the Pens bottom out for say, 4 seasons in a row - the chance of them getting a Malkin caliber player again, nevermind Sid, is about 0%. It is more likely that the team wins the Cup THIS season than they get another player like either Sid or Geno in the next 30 years. So if the team can at least be made competitive, to scare the top seeds, f*** them picks.