GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

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[Gurglesons]

Two very vastly different players. It is not ridiculous to say that for Kaprizov, he's an elite franchise player, Best player on a cup team.

Nylander is a cog, a supporting piece, not someone you build around like Kaprizov and Sid.

Players have career years. The fact is Sid is still a 100 pt player and largely driving a ton of his production at 5v5 says all it needs to.

Also the poster criticizing him has an axe to grind with our stars for a few years.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Ugene, I like you and I don't mean to be "snide" (yes I saw that post yesterday, right before you said something snide about Blue! Who has been playing great over the past few games)

Crosby>Yzerman but the 2002 DRW >>>>>>> The 2023 Penguins to such an extent that it makes it difficult to even comprehend why we are discussing it. I think if we are talking pathways forward we are better off looking at recent Cinderella teams that went far.

Ha, yes, the Blue can only score on empty nets...(it's 50% true). Blue is still that same guy, the guy who should have never been held onto over others. For many reasons.

My stance, and it's not limited to this season, he has two more to try and get it done. Which would be something to behold should/could they do it. You want to close the book, some don't.

I want Sid and company to get that 4th and put that bookend on their era. Those guys were allowed to do it, but Sid and company are not here. It's just some proper moves and have at it, this, next or the next year.

Detroit traded and paid their way. Why can't the Pens?

I don't care about obstacles, there's always obstacles. You get nothing if you don't try. You get nothing for the next decade with what people want to cling to asset wise. People in a hurry for The Next Generation/Generation XX.

 

[PensandCaps]

Players have career years. The fact is Sid is still a 100 pt player and largely driving a ton of his production at 5v5 says all it needs to.

Also the poster criticizing him has an axe to grind with our stars for a few years.

Would love to see Nylander try to even come close to the production of Sid or Kaprizov with their supporting cast. Are we gonna say Nugent Hopkins is also in that tier because of points? lol.

Crosby is absolutely still a guy you make a run with, especially with his playoff dominance.

 

[Gurglesons]

Would love to see Nylander try to even come close to the production of Sid or Kaprizov with their supporting cast. Are we gonna say Nugent Hopkins is also in that tier because of points? lol.

Crosby is absolutely still a guy you make a run with, especially with his playoff dominance.

Say what you want about our top six, but when compared to the rest of the conference they are pretty damn good when it comes to 5v5.

Sid - 41
Malkin - 33
Jake - 29

BOS -
Pasta - 41
Krejci - 33
Zacha - 32

CAR-
Svech - 31
Aho - 28
Necas - 27

TOR-
Nylander - 41
Marner - 38
Matthews - 37

Tampa -
Point - 44
Kuch - 40
Killorn - 31

NYR -
Panarin - 38
Trochek - 28
Chytil - 27

There is a lot of arguments to make about this team, but the top dogs aren't really the issue outside of their powerplay performance this year. The issue is the depth behind them.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Players have career years. The fact is Sid is still a 100 pt player and largely driving a ton of his production at 5v5 says all it needs to.

Also the poster criticizing him has an axe to grind with our stars for a few years.

It's actually kind of weird.

Don't you dare criticize Josh Yohe, but all bets are off when criticizing the integrity and ability of two of the all-time greats who are still producing like elite players at age 35/36.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's actually kind of weird.

Don't you dare criticize Josh Yohe, but all bets are off when criticizing the integrity and ability of two of the all-time greats who are still producing like elite players at age 35/36.

If you can’t criticize Josh Yohe what’s really left in life..

 

[Ulf5]

I heard a rumor GMRH traded for Chychrun the day he was sat. But he doesn't want to announce it until 3 p.m. est on deadline day. That way, if he makes any other trades he only has to speak to the media once.

 

[Lustaf]

I heard a rumor GMRH traded for Chychrun the day he was sat. But he doesn't want to announce it until 3 p.m. est on deadline day. That way, if he makes any other trades he only has to speak to the media once.

That's not how trades work.

 

[HandshakeLine]

brb post-dating my trade proposal so we can get chychrun for free.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

It's weird that Florida hasn't popped up in any rumors that I've seen. I know that the Tkachuk/Huberdeau/Weegar trade was always going to be a short-term loss/long-term gain for them, but I think they did worse than they expected.
I wonder if it would be possible to pry Lundell from them.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

What playoff runs?

I get it, a lot of people get used to almost 17 years of buying and trading assets for being SC contenders and are now in denial.

The same amount as the Leafs core over the last few years that you're advocating should pay for deadline acquisitions... except the Pens core has actually shown they're capable of winning if complemented properly.

 

[Night Shift]

The same amount as the Leafs core over the last few years that you're advocating should pay for deadline acquisitions... except the Pens core has actually shown they're capable of winning if complemented properly.

All right well like Ryder said last night, you'll presumably get your wish at the deadline. But guaranteed you'll guys will be complaining about it in the next year and a half.

I also think you're forgetting who coaches this team, who if we paid that amount to get Jeannot would just bury him on the 4th line after his first fight with 5 min a night because "He doesn't play the right way".

 

[Pens x]

Patience is a virtue.

 

[Ulf5]

The early bird gets the worm....

 

[Deport Ogie]

The ask on the worm is a 2023 1st, additional 3rd, and B prospect.

 

[Night Shift]

The ask on the worm is a 2023 1st, additional 3rd, and B prospect.

No they want 2025 and 2026 first round picks

 

[Pens x]

Any Hextall sightings recently? Is he back in his cave?

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

This is the trade deadline thread, correct?

 

[orby]

Back in 09, I had a weird dream where the Pens somehow traded Staal and acquired Anze Kopitar and Ilya Kovalchuk. That's the kind of trade it would take for them to be a contender this year.

 

[molon labe]

I don't understand the sentiment of 'too many things are wrong - > therefore we should just give up as a franchise and start over' Slightly exaggerated but about what some of these takes sound like.

Maybe look at what's right - and weigh it? What if we had an amazing bottom 6 with some AHL call ups who scored 11 goals this year. Fantastic!!!! But Trochek, Larkin, Wennberg - one of those guys was our 1C. Our 2C was someone line Max Domi who could barely be called a 3C on most rosters. How easy would that be to fix? We'd be arguing about signing/trading for that JT Miller fella who would make everything right on that team as the new top C making 8M a year. Miller/Trochek... For the same money we have Sid/Geno right now, available to us.

There's no challenge here. There's complacency, overvaluing, afraid to take a loss (except on seasons/games) - but no real challenge. This team has THE hardest pieces in the NHL to get in spades:

+ 1C
+ 1C (playing as 2C)
+ 1D
+ Elite scoring winger

But we have mediocre supporting cast, a good goalie tandem that isn't trustworthy and needs changing, and a D corps that needs changing - but is certainly better than what we had just a couple seasons ago. Why is this viewed as an impossible task? The folks who state that are either assuming A) Every cup team needs to be as dominant as the 2016 Penguins or B) Have a LOT of things in their life going really, really well - and who's only adversity is someone getting their order wrong. Yeah, I'm calling you Karens a little bit here. Oh - lastly, all that gets fixed - elephant in the room...we don't like our coach. Woah is that a difficult task. Can't remember the last team I saw in this league who was able to make a coaching change.

 

[Pens x]

I don't understand the sentiment of 'too many things are wrong - > therefore we should just give up as a franchise and start over' Slightly exaggerated but about what some of these takes sound like.

Maybe look at what's right - and weigh it? What if we had an amazing bottom 6 with some AHL call ups who scored 11 goals this year. Fantastic!!!! But Trochek, Larkin, Wennberg - one of those guys was our 1C. Our 2C was someone line Max Domi who could barely be called a 3C on most rosters. How easy would that be to fix? We'd be arguing about signing/trading for that JT Miller fella who would make everything right on that team as the new top C making 8M a year. Miller/Trochek... For the same money we have Sid/Geno right now, available to us.

There's no challenge here. There's complacency, overvaluing, afraid to take a loss (except on seasons/games) - but no real challenge. This team has THE hardest pieces in the NHL to get in spades:

+ 1C
+ 1C (playing as 2C)
+ 1D
+ Elite scoring winger

But we have mediocre supporting cast, a good goalie tandem that isn't trustworthy and needs changing, and a D corps that needs changing - but is certainly better than what we had just a couple seasons ago. Why is this viewed as an impossible task? The folks who state that are either assuming A) Every cup team needs to be as dominant as the 2016 Penguins or B) Have a LOT of things in their life going really, really well - and who's only adversity is someone getting their order wrong. Yeah, I'm calling you Karens a little bit here. Oh - lastly, all that gets fixed - elephant in the room...we don't like our coach. Woah is that a difficult task. Can't remember the last team I saw in this league who was able to make a coaching change.

It is a tall ask because our GM is afraid of his own shadow.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

There’s plenty of things Hextall has done wrong that gets discussed on twitter but the revisionist history on GMJR has been a bit much. “GMJR would’ve traded a first round pick for Meier and we would be better for it.” No, he’d trade a first round draft pick for Luke Schenn and try to trade back a player he traded away lmao. Dude was great from 2015-2017 but was awful after that.

 

[PensandCaps]

It's weird that Florida hasn't popped up in any rumors that I've seen. I know that the Tkachuk/Huberdeau/Weegar trade was always going to be a short-term loss/long-term gain for them, but I think they did worse than they expected.
I wonder if it would be possible to pry Lundell from them.

They got better with that trade but then hired the worst coach in the game.

 

[PensandCaps]

You don't win the 16/17 cups without trusting call ups and allowing them to grow into good players, that's the difference honestly. Who knows what some of the AHL guys would be right now if they got some playing time the past few years, Like Rust/Guentzel/Sheary did and grew into reliable players.

Rust doesn't score 2 game 7 goals if he never got the playing time earlier in the regular season. You gotta give these AHL guys playing time, especially when your bottom 6 sucks, you have literally nothing to lose.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

All right well like Ryder said last night, you'll presumably get your wish at the deadline. But guaranteed you'll guys will be complaining about it in the next year and a half.

I also think you're forgetting who coaches this team, who if we paid that amount to get Jeannot would just bury him on the 4th line after his first fight with 5 min a night because "He doesn't play the right way".

That all depends. Is it another Kap/Zucker waste of a 1st, or a significant addition?

I don't mind moving futures for higher end players in an effort to get over the hump, even if the team fails. But half assed measures or doing nothing at all isn't acceptable.