GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

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[Josey Wales]

Sources: #NHL sent memo to 32 GMs today advising that acquiring injured players at the deadline to stash them on cap until playoffs will be “closely scrutinized” for cap circumvention.

This might take Nyquist and Henrique out of play, unless they can come back before end of szn.

 

[The Old Master]

The 1st rounds picks don't work for more teams than they do if that makes any sense.

Of course every teams different but look at some of the teams that held their 1st for years grabbing player after player only to be disappointed.

there is risk in any plan going forward imo. but trading first for (even young players) rob's you of having players that are cost controlled for a longer time and replacing them with guy's that will want paid.

 

[Lust for Life]

Looking at the TSN Trade Bait list, there just isn't anything really fun on there, except Chychrun but I expect his price to be insane. I see a lot of players signed for way too much that makes sense for the Pens to take on.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

IMO, it's not up to Hextall to trade the 25 and 26 1st round picks. That has to be organizational decision up to the ownership.

I like Chychrun but this canonization of him is obnoxious. As if he will cure all evils of the Pens and instantly make them a Stanley Cup contender. I just don't see it. The Pens have way too many other issues to throw all their resources at one player. And It will take an extreme overpayment by the Pens to come close to what other teams can offer because every other team in the league has far superior prospects to the Pens.

 

[Turin]

And is Chychrun really the guy you want to give up those kind of assets for? I just can't see it. He's not a needle mover nor or in the future.

He’s not a needle mover now? He’d be the teams best defenseman this year

 

[Gurglesons]

Chychrun to Edmonton makes a lot of sense and I'd be stunned if the Pens could outbid the Oilers. Edmonton has every reason to go all-in right now.

It’s been reported over and over again upper management isn’t hot on Chychrun in Edmonton.

 

[Flying Dego]

He’s not a needle mover now? He’d be the teams best defenseman this year

We are 100% not trading 2 future 1sts so he's likely a Cane or Cap

 

[Gurglesons]

IMO, it's not up to Hextall to trade the 25 and 26 1st round picks. That has to be organizational decision up to the ownership.

I like Chychrun but this canonization of him is obnoxious. As if he will cure all evils of the Pens and instantly make them a Stanley Cup contender. I just don't see it. The Pens have way too many other issues to throw all their resources at one player. And It will take an extreme overpayment by the Pens to come close to what other teams can offer because every other team in the league has far superior prospects to the Pens.

Who is saying this?

He’s a 24 year old, big bodied, top pairing defenseman with low term. We need that the next few years and this year.

He’s more investment in the of reshaping this team Hextall has done so far.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I can see why you’d do Chychrun. I can also see it really hurting your ability to address other needs on the roster since the Pens have like 6 or 7 somewhat decent future assets and you’d probably give away 4 of them to get him.

So in a way, giving away ‘25 and ‘26 picks might make more sense and you’d keep your next 2 years of picks to continue to add to the team.

But it’s obvious why AZ would want those. Would be a gamble.

My stance remains that selling makes the most sense.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

So he’s gonna go to the Caps right?

Most probably, they have a lot more assets to play with now since they acquired a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. GM being pro active while ours is sleeping

 

[Flying Dego]

Most probably, they have a lot more assets to play with now since they acquired a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. GM being pro active while ours is sleeping

I'd say Chych was entirely doable if we got high picks from trading Zuck and Dumo. Both of whom likely are gone end of season anyways.

Could've replenished picks and snagged Chych to prep for next season

 

[Gurglesons]

I can see why you’d do Chychrun. I can also see it really hurting your ability to address other needs on the roster since the Pens have like 6 or 7 somewhat decent future assets and you’d probably give away 4 of them to get him.

So in a way, giving away ‘25 and ‘26 picks might make more sense and you’d keep your next 2 years of picks to continue to add to the team.

But it’s obvious why AZ would want those. Would be a gamble.

My stance remains that selling makes the most sense.

You can make a move for Chychrun and then attempt to fill in gaps by taking advantage of cap strapped teams this summer because you just locked in your D core until Sid retires.

Say Blomqvist, McGinn, and a 3rd for Gibson.

Make a move for one of LA or Calgary’s younger wingers ala Bjorkstrand.

Good to go.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

My stance remains that selling makes the most sense.

The time to sell was before re-signing Malkin and Letang.
The idea of re-signing them was to commit to competing, and therefore that's what we should do.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I'd say Chych was entirely doable if we got high picks from trading Zuck and Dumo. Both of whom likely are gone end of season anyways.

Could've replenished picks and snagged Chych to prep for next season

Correct, but instead our GM will probably trade those UFA to another team while including our own picks and prospects to get a deal done, you watch!

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

You can make a move for Chychrun and then attempt to fill in gaps by taking advantage of cap strapped teams this summer because you just locked in your D core until Sid retires.

Definitely the argument for it. I’d want to do what the Caps are doing if we pulled the trigger on Chychrun.

Get him, acquire near term picks for Dumo, Zucker, maybe even Petts. Look at this season as a little out of reach but come into the offseason with more ammo to position yourself.

The time to sell was before re-signing Malkin and Letang.
The idea of re-signing them was to commit to competing, and therefore that's what we should do.

Sell near term** I should have said. Add assets to help position yourself for next year because of how much cap opens and how many flaws there are currently.

I think STL a few years ago was a great example… they won the Cup the next year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Definitely the argument for it. I’d want to do what the Caps are doing if we pulled the trigger on Chychrun.

Get him, acquire near term picks for Dumo, Zucker, maybe even Petts. Look at this season as a little out of reach but come into the offseason with more ammo to position yourself.


Sell and position yourself for next year because of how much cap opens and how many flaws there are currently.

Wouldn’t do that. Just move a pick based package for Chychrun. Zucker and Dumo are going to return so little it’s better to just take the chance we squeak out a playoff win.

 

[JTG]

He’s not a needle mover now? He’d be the teams best defenseman this year

Does he get #1 PP mins? Because that's where he'd really move the needle, and I would bet my last dollar that Sully wouldn't pull Letang off the top PP for him or even reduce Letang's role.

 

[Turin]

We are 100% not trading 2 future 1sts so he's likely a Cane or Cap

I would do two firsts in a second if one was conditional, and then throw in another asset, preferably not Pickering, for good measure if that’s what got it done.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The time to sell was before re-signing Malkin and Letang.
The idea of re-signing them was to commit to competing, and therefore that's what we should do.

Nothing stops you from doing both, while remaiining competitive for the long run. Sell the UFA's to be and be a buyer at the same time. But hey it's Hextall, that would be to much for him.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Wouldn’t do that. Just move a pick based package for Chychrun. Zucker and Dumo are going to return so little it’s better to just take the chance we squeak out a playoff win.

I’d agree if that was true. Hard to know. I could see Dumo fetching a random second or third from the Oilers or Kings especially if it’s a ‘24 or ‘25 pick and Zucker getting something decent.

If they were gonna bring back a 5th and a 3rd respectively then yes I agree.

 

[Turin]

Jake McCabe just essentially went for a 1st. He’s like prime Dumo under contract. Dumo now is worth a third at best. Blueger would go for a 5th or something. I think selling is out of the question unless somebody really, really likes one of those guys.

Nothing stops you from doing both, while remaiining competitive for the long run. Sell the UFA's to be and be a buyer at the same time. But hey it's Hextall, that would be to much for him.

Creates too many holes to fill this year. You trade Zucker for a 2nd and who are you replacing him with that isn’t also a UFA? Players under contract are expensive.

 

[Flying Dego]

Wouldn’t do that. Just move a pick based package for Chychrun. Zucker and Dumo are going to return so little it’s better to just take the chance we squeak out a playoff win.

I don't agree at all.

Zero doubts there's a few GMs that would trade more than you think for Dumo.

Zucker as well with his year. Why do you think they'd return so little? Just cause they're Penguins? Lol

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Sell near term** I should have said. Add assets to help position yourself for next year because of how much cap opens and how many flaws there are currently.

I think STL a few years ago was a great example… they won the Cup the next year.

If you're thinking of 2017 when they sold Shattenkirk, they missed the playoffs in 2018 and then won the Cup.
Selling Shattenkirk was probably not the reason that they missed the next season, but you never know.

Nothing stops you from doing both, while remaiining competitive for the long run.

There is no 'long run' here. The window is 2, maybe 3 years at most.

 

[Lust for Life]

Jake McCabe just essentially went for a 1st. He’s like prime Dumo under contract. Dumo now is worth a third at best. Blueger would go for a 5th or something. I think selling is out of the question unless somebody really, really likes one of those guys.


Creates too many holes to fill this year. You trade Zucker for a 2nd and who are you replacing him with that isn’t also a UFA? Players under contract are expensive.

It won't happen, but I wonder if you could get better picks with 50% retained on Dumo and Zuck.

 

[Flying Dego]

Jake McCabe just essentially went for a 1st. He’s like prime Dumo under contract. Dumo now is worth a third at best. Blueger would go for a 5th or something. I think selling is out of the question unless somebody really, really likes one of those guys.


Creates too many holes to fill this year. You trade Zucker for a 2nd and who are you replacing him with that isn’t also a UFA? Players under contract are expensive.

Big Puusy slides right into line 2. Give him the tryout. Zucker here or not we aren't getting past the Bruins or Canes. Prep big for next season