GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

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[Darren McCord]

We acquired Gudbranson, Matheson and signed JJ in the span of 2-3 years with JR.

JR sucked too but Matheson for Horny wasnt bad. JJ was a nightmare and Gudbranson is whatever.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Zucker still has value and probably could recoup a first if they traded him.

Preds thought Grandlund was a cap dump

Kap *was* a cap dump for the Leafs and this team traded the 15th overall and one of their best forward prospects (not a high bar, Hallander's like a C-tier guy imo) for a 3rd liner everybody knew the Leafs had to sacrifice for cap reasons.

JR's final few years here nailed the window shut on this era. Hextall's issues are just compounding things and extending an already lengthy, ugly rebuild ahead--and for no progress toward competing again. This team's still staring down another 1st round exit, if they make it.

 

[Josey Wales]

I am hardly approving the moves.

Just keeping some perspective.

Even if this goes belly up as most think that it will, it hardly would have moved the needle going forward had it not happened.

The core is another year older next year.

Accept the reality.

Right now it is akin to a coroner's job. You can hardly kill a corpse again by making a mistake.

Exactly this teaam is not winning anything with Chychrun & Miller

 

[Flying Dego]

Please tell me someone wants Granlund in a flip. A nucks fan agreed to a Boeser swap. I'd take that at this point.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm just praying that Sullivan actually uses Granlund with Malkin and Zucker, because I think that's pretty much the best way to maximize the value he's providing. If you throw out Granlund with Carter in 75% defensive zone deployment, he's going to be horrendous. He might improve secondary scoring with his playmaking skills, but that 3rd line is going to get slaughtered analytically.

But you know that's how Sullivan will use him.

 

[StaalForOne]

f*** Rossi/Yohe. Even if they're right about this, their reporting is biased because they're mad about no longer having a good in with the FO

You can feel the spite in Yohe's words every time he tweets. JR probably made him think he was helping the team when he wrote all those puff pieces and feelers for the trade market

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm just praying that Sullivan actually uses Granlund with Malkin and Zucker, because I think that's pretty much the best way to maximize the value he's providing. If you throw out Granlund with Carter in 75% defensive zone deployment, he's going to be horrendous. He might improve secondary scoring with his playmaking skills, but that 3rd line is going to get slaughtered analytically.

But you know that's how Sullivan will use him.

Yep. This is a way you could potentially get some value out of this trade.

 

[metalan2]

JR sucked too but Matheson for Horny wasnt bad. JJ was a nightmare and Gudbranson is whatever.

Don't forget Reaves for a first lol

 

[Turin]

Matheson, Marino, Blueger, Kapanen, 2nd

for

Granlund
Poehling
Petry
Smith
3rdx2

I’m inspired. Wow. The vision and identity.
To Hextalls credit these moves would have been good two years ago but unfortunately time exists.
When Hextall laid out his plan for Mario, did he just say the team needed experience?

 

[penguinsnomad]

I'm comforting myself with the idea that Boston's going to slaughter everyone this year anyways. I want Hextall gone by Friday.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

JR sucked too but Matheson for Horny wasnt bad. JJ was a nightmare and Gudbranson is whatever.

Ryan Reaves deal, Jack Johnson's FA deal, chasing a 3C and hemorrhaging assets for years because he let Bonino walk, Gudbranson, handing out deals that f***ed up the cap to Petts and Marino after each had one (1) good season, Tanev's FA deal, desperately chasing *his guys* and spending two mid-1sts + a great d-man prospect + whatever forward prospect for what amounts to two 3rd liners

I mean, Rutherford sucked absolute shit, and when he stomped off like a pissbaby, it was years too late. Should've been fired after the Isles sweep, he was years into his demented GMing by then.

 

[Flying Dego]

Exactly this teaam is not winning anything with Chychrun & Miller

Let me understand you're thinking. You'd rather us make limp noodle moves and just stay middle of the pack neither good or bad. Just straight purgatory...rather than getting two high profile players to win some playoff games?

It's the last hoorah here. Why go out with a fizzle.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yep. This is a way you could potentially get some value out of this trade.

And I legitimately like him in that role, too. If Nashville would have retained like a third of his contract and the plan was to play him with Malkin, I'd be extremely happy with this. But you know that's not the case. Granlund came in at full salary and he's just going to be used as another 3C who doesn't fit how the Penguins want to use their 3rd line.

It's a shame because I really like Granlund's skillset and think he could do really well here if used correctly. But he won't be used correctly.

 

[Gurglesons]

And I legitimately like him in that role, too. If Nashville would have retained like a third of his contract and the plan was to play him with Malkin, I'd be extremely happy with this. But you know that's not the case. Granlund came in at full salary and he's just going to be used as another 3C who doesn't fit how the Penguins want to use their 3rd line.

It's a shame because I really like Granlund's skillset and think he could do really well here if used correctly. But he won't be used correctly.

Zucker - Staal - Granlund was an amazing line for Minnesota.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I like seeing Caggiula back in the lineup tomorrow. Fast and hungry. Hard forechecker.Think he'll be fine.
I'm curious if Granlund can get more out of Heinen.

At least the bottom 6 is different.
I wish Carter could be on L4 instead, to give Granlund a chance.

 

[Flying Dego]

Zucker - Staal - Granlund was an amazing line for Minnesota.

Right. They need to play together to salvage this.

But was Sully involved here? That means he's demoting Rust.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

You just know Sullivan isn’t going to put Granlund in a position to succeed.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I have posted this before.

Second round picks have a 16 percent better chance of playing at least one NHL game than third round picks.

That's it.

What Percentage of NHL Draft Picks Make It to the NHL? - Big Shot Hockey

The NHL is an elite club and it's a significant achievement to even get drafted by a team — but it's a whole other story to end up playing in your first NHL

bshockey.com

The cap space lost is annoying. It would be more annoying if I thought that the few million could have been used to make them a top contender this off-season. I don't.

But other than that it is an almost meaningless move.

Do you think that the team is markedly worse now? If not the cost of the mistake was negligible.

 

[Gurglesons]

You just know Sullivan isn’t going to put Granlund in a position to succeed.

Yeah it’s going to be hilarious.

 

[Flying Dego]

You just know Sullivan isn’t going to put Granlund in a position to succeed.

I know it.

Zucker/Granlund was magic like 5 years ago lol.

They'll shove Granlund next to Heinen-Carter and it'll be horrific haha

 

[Turin]

Right. They need to play together to salvage this.

But was Sully involved here? That means he's demoting Rust.

Not even Rust can help Carter.

I have posted this before.

Second round picks have a 16 percent better chance of playing at least one NHL game than third round picks.

That's it.

What Percentage of NHL Draft Picks Make It to the NHL? - Big Shot Hockey

The NHL is an elite club and it's a significant achievement to even get drafted by a team — but it's a whole other story to end up playing in your first NHL

bshockey.com

The cap space list is annoying. It would be more annoying if I thought that the few million could have been used to make them a top contender this off-season. I don't.

But other than that it is an almost meaningless move.

Do you think that the team is markedly worse now? If not the cost of the mistake was negligible.

The opportunity cost.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I have posted this before.

Second round picks have a 16 percent better chance of playing at least one NHL game than third round picks.

That's it.

What Percentage of NHL Draft Picks Make It to the NHL? - Big Shot Hockey

The NHL is an elite club and it's a significant achievement to even get drafted by a team — but it's a whole other story to end up playing in your first NHL

bshockey.com

The cap space list is annoying. It would be more annoying if I thought that the few million could have been used to make them a top contender this off-season. I don't.

But other than that it is an almost meaningless move.

Do you think that the team is markedly worse now? If not the cost of the mistake was negligible.

The issue with this deal wasn't what they paid for him, it's that they took him on at $5 million when he's not worth $5 million anymore.

 

[TKalltheTime]

Bro McGinn has more goals than this clown

Yeah but he costs 2x as much… oh wait, DAMN IT!

 

[Pancakes]

Exactly.

I don't like this at all.

But am greatful that it was very limited damage.

It could have been a lot worse. We have seen a lot worse.

It's not limited damage at all. That 5 million cap hit is a boat anchor that won't allow us to properly fill holes on this team that desperately need to be plugged.

We had cap flexibility coming into this off season. We now have pretty much none, especially if (when) we re-sign Jarry.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Don't forget Reaves for a first lol

Actually a first for a second if I remember. I didn't object to the cost. But the fit on that team.