Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[SEALBound]

They are fine. But Phil Bourque rocks..

Meh, I listen the radio broadcast for the 1st period a lot on my way home. He's okay. I don't find him any better or worse than Errey.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't hate Mears/Errey, though their relentless optimism can sometimes be annoying. Even Steiggy I feel was more negative towards the team when they were not playing well, and he was the ultimate homer.

All that said, I like Bourque a lot. If you want someone who is going to shit all over the team for bad play, he's it lol. You will not hear a lot of excuses coming from the 29er's mouth if this team looks like garbage.

 

[Gurglesons]

Meh, I listen the radio broadcast for the 1st period a lot on my way home. He's okay. I don't find him any better or worse than Errey.

His book is solid and he is a truth spinner.

Kinda hate how he harps on Malkin and Letang but honestly they usually deserve it lol

 

[Zbynek]

If Granlund is worth a 2nd at the deadline 2 months ago he’s worth like a 3rd at the draft 2 months from now. The off-season doubles the candidate pool compared to the deadline.

Not sure how the guy out of a job is a good gauge for market value.

Maybe he could fetch us a pick if we retained salary on him, but that's pretty much admitting defeat

 

[HandshakeLine]

Wonder what the excuse is when we go 2-10 next November....

They just didn't clap hard enough and Tinkerbell died.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Oman.......

For what it's worth, PenguinsChronicles has zero credibility. It's just a random dude.

Also, I don't know how any announcer decisions can be made when there is still no clarity on whether ATT Pittsburgh will be around in a few months. Mears and Errey are employed by ATT. Getzoff and Bourque are employed by the Pens.

A lot needs to be clarified before any hirings/firings occur on the broadcast side.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Mixed feelings...

I liked Errey a lot and will miss him but Mears was so bad that the upgrade's worth it. You hear his voice a lot more than Errey's during a game after all. He was just too bland and safe for an entertainment product.

Getzoff is more passionate and has more personality. His goal calls will be far better. He'll say more interesting things and play off his partner's humor better.
Errey was hard carrying the broadcasts, always trying to push Mears to match his energy. That's why he kept saying, "EH MEARSY!?". Now this arrangement will be more balanced.

And like others have mentioned, I like that Bourque can actually call out shit performance.
He's got decent analysis but it's a step back from Errey's, who was very insightful and knowledgeable. You come to respect him more when you hear other shitty color comms around the league.
Errey always did his research and kept up with the times. He did his best to bring in cultural nuggets when talking about the city they're playing in. He added more substance.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Errey rules, Pens fans just have terrible taste. No irony posting here.

Also, I really don't like how homogenized and bland the broadcast teams are, league wide. Bourque was okay, he's mushbrained but original, but Getzoff and Mears both suffer from a lack of character, which Getzoff tries to remedy by being an enthusiastic dweeb instead of refining his own style.

Go back to hiring weird local nutjobs for the PBP positions, I say.

 

[Wattsburgh]

All that said, I like Bourque a lot. If you want someone who is going to shit all over the team for bad play, he's it lol. You will not hear a lot of excuses coming from the 29er's mouth if this team looks like garbage.

We will see if he changes for TV ratings or not. Would be a shame if so. On the radio that stuff is more allowed…

 

[HandshakeLine]

Frankly, I think the whole critical aspect of the PBP that Pens fans want is the most warped shit that is in vogue around here. Yinz are some real perverts.

I don't want to critically appraise the team as I watch the game, I'm already doing that! I want someone to make it fun and memorable to listen to as I watch.

 

[Pens x]

Errey is a big dumb animal. He’s like a mascot. He was too much of a homer.

 

[K Fleur]

Mears is just vanilla. Even his “hot” takes are like “you know guys McDavid is one of the best players in the league”. Wow man really going out on a limb there.

 

[McGroarty2]

I strongly dislike listening to Mears. He seems like a very nice guy but I just don't like his voice. I love Errey tho.

 

[SomeDude]

For what it's worth, PenguinsChronicles has zero credibility. It's just a random dude.

A random dude with legit psycho tendencies. If Letang ever goes missing, that guy did it.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm typing this up on a notepad separate from HFBoards as I'm doom-scrolling through these posts. My apologies if these topics have already been covered. And no, I'm no purposefully avoiding quoting anyone or CC'ing them.

Svejkovsky is still so small and weak -- I think he's wearing a size 46 jersey based on recent WBS raffles. He's at least a few years away unless he pulls a Guentzel and gains massive hockey IQ to make up for his lack of strength.

Zucker is someone I think the Pens should re-sign. Take a look at the UFA market. And then take a look at Zook's production and his apparent like of the team/city. Like Rust, I think he'd take a cheaper deal for some security in a NMC/NTC. If it were me I'd try to sign him at $3.5M for 5 years. Structure it similar to the Rust and Rakell deals. 4, 4, 3.2, 3.2, 2.4. I know that math doesn't work out but you should be able to get my point.

Similarly, I really think Bonino wants to stay but there shouldn't be any room for him. If he wants a player development job though...

Let all other UFAs sign elsewhere.

Man, I'm not sure what to do with POJ & Smith. I like both and want to keep both. But I think the team only has one spot for either of them. Though Smith being able to play both sides of the ice, I think, means he has a bit more value to this team. If it were up to me I'd rotate the two in throughout the year based on performance and injuries. If not, trade whichever one gets you a better return.

The two bad contacts we've currently got are Carter and Granlund.

I think I've got a Carter solution similar to what Haase said. Have a talk with Jeff about how they'll trade him to a team that needs the cap hit but then he'll be bought out. Since he's 35+ he gets all that money and the other team gets his full cap hit. And then he re-signs with the Pens for league minimum. Similar to Orpik being traded from the Caps but in a 35+ situation. I haven't double checked but I'm fairly certain this is allowable in the CBA.

Granlund... He and his cap hit need to go. And it only matters to the fans and Hextall/Pryor that he was traded for a 2nd. If my math is right, buying him out is better than retaining 50% and sending out another asset with him for said team to take him.

 

[Flying Dego]

Errey rules, Pens fans just have terrible taste. No irony posting here.

Also, I really don't like how homogenized and bland the broadcast teams are, league wide. Bourque was okay, he's mushbrained but original, but Getzoff and Mears both suffer from a lack of character, which Getzoff tries to remedy by being an enthusiastic dweeb instead of refining his own style.

Go back to hiring weird local nutjobs for the PBP positions, I say.

Steggy and Errey are still my favorite Homer broadcast. I don't care, I enjoyed waiting for the non PC things that they'd spew out. I want to be entertained entirely during a game.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

5 million is the going rate for a player like Granlund. See Rust, Rakell, Zucker, Schwartz, Eberle.

He’s a 2nd liner. Hell, he’s still Nashville’s 4th highest scoring forward.

Disagree, He is a good hockey player but he is very vanilla and needs to be in the right situation to succeed. He's one of those guys that can be a bargain on a good contract but this team needs less players like Granlund.

If things weren't so dire and we had opportunity and time to let things play out sure.......we dont and he's an anchor as he sits and needs the right fit of linemates to succeed. He would probably be best with Malkin but he not in my top 100 players I want playing with an aging Malkin.

Essentially we are looking at losing Zucker and gaining Granlund. That a pretty big step down if you ask me and was a desperation I didn't get want I wanted move from Hextall at the deadline.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I could care less an out Steigy, he was just bad. Not having Lange and Errey together was sort of a missed call IMO.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I could care less an out Steigy, he was just bad. Not having Lange and Errey together was sort of a missed call IMO.

Lange was a treat and we were lucky to have him as long as we did. Irreplaceable

Extremely big shoes to fill for anyone so many will always come away disappointed.

Outside of Errey's stupid nicknames he was pretty knowledgeable about the game so a young kid watching or someone that is new to the game could get a solid understanding from him.

Mears was just white noise to me.

Hard to recall but I think I liked early Steigy better than later. Whats Stan Savran up to these days

 

[Zbynek]

Errey is great, even with his shtick - always adding value with old school hockey trivia and other tidbits. Hasn't been the same since Steigy left and won't be the same without Errey either.

And while I like 29er it's hard to get excited about this. Getzoff is just Mears v2.

Eh....

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Have a talk with Jeff about how they'll trade him to a team that needs the cap hit but then he'll be bought out. Since he's 35+ he gets all that money and the other team gets his full cap hit. And then he re-signs with the Pens for league minimum. Similar to Orpik being traded from the Caps but in a 35+ situation. I haven't double checked but I'm fairly certain this is allowable in the CBA.

The NHL has said these deals are not allowed. And the only reason why the Orpik deal was allowed was because there was no prior knowledge of COL buying him out.

But they laid the hammer down and told teams not to try it again. Which is why you haven’t seen a deal like that since then.

 

[Turin]

Errey is awesome and would be a big loss. Getzoff is better than Mears though. Bourque is good but not as good as Bibsy.

 

[Pens x]

Bibsy the circus clown

 

[Jacob]

Not sure how the guy out of a job is a good gauge for market value.

Maybe he could fetch us a pick if we retained salary on him, but that's pretty much admitting defeat

I see it two ways. Either Nashville didn’t want to move him and we had to overpay, in which case Nashville would be happy to take him back even if it’s for nothing, or Nashville was actively trying to move him and the bidding reached a 2nd (from a bubble team), in which case it’s not lower than a 3rd in the offseason because, yes, he played poorly, but also the possible destinations doubles in the summer (because EVERYONE is building a playoff-hopeful team).

I think the truth is the latter. Nashville is doing a rebuild on the fly and even might’ve accepted less just to move Granlund quickly at the deadline rather than wait for the summer. We might have to wait too, like until after free agency and the teams losing out o Zucker or Barbashev have to settle for Granlund.

 

[HandshakeLine]

A random dude with legit psycho tendencies. If Letang ever goes missing, that guy did it.

I wonder what his screen name is here?