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Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition
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AuroraBorealis
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I don't agree about POJ. I see him stabilizing as a middle pair guy later on. Excellent skating, breakout pass, very good physicality for his size. Had a good goal count. Did a good job on PP2.
He was really consistent in the 1st half +.
It's too soon to judge. People were ready to jettison him during camp and he had a good year. He's 23. We don't know anything yet for sure.
He has a good chance at being one of our best value contracts next year. And I don't want us to get slower.
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If we expect Smith to improve then certainly we can expect POJ to also. Rookies aren’t finished products.
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Big Friggin Dummy
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I don't know, man. Agree to disagree I guess. We all saw the potential ceiling, but we also saw some absolutely putrid stretches from the dude. I guess I just don't really give a f*** either way about the player.
AuroraBorealis
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I don't know, man. Agree to disagree I guess. We all saw the potential ceiling, but we also saw some absolutely putrid stretches from the dude. I guess I just don't really give a f*** either way about the player.
Just give him Rutta or Petry and he'll be good. They gave him Ruhwedel during Chad's worst year as a Penguin.
As a result they got scored on too much for their sheltered role.
edog37
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being as unproductive as he was & the cap space he took up he absolutely cost us plenty.
Empoleon8771
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I still think Smith would have been better than POJ this year, despite me thinking POJ had a solid season on the overall.
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Empoleon8771
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Granlund was neutral bad for the Penguins, he was invisible and didn't do anything positive but he didn't do anything to particularly hurt them either. That's obviously bad value for his cap hit, but he as a player didn't really hurt the team. He just did nothing for the most part.
They need to move on from him because he makes way too much money for what he provides more than he's this terrible player. He's a kind of guy who should be getting a Heinen type of UFA contract at this point, not a $5 million AAV deal.
They need to move on from him because he makes way too much money for what he provides more than he's this terrible player. He's a kind of guy who should be getting a Heinen type of UFA contract at this point, not a $5 million AAV deal.
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Empoleon8771
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Yeah and $3 million in dead cap space with a league minimum player sounds better than spending that money on Carter.
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Big Friggin Dummy
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POJ was bad all on his own though. Terrible decisions with the puck, terrible tracking of assignments. /shrug
AuroraBorealis
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I thought Granlund was far, far better defensively than was advertised.
His scoring was just garbage. I don't think it's fair to call him invisible. He just didn't execute on his chances, just like almost everyone else this year.
He shot 2.6%.
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To be clear; I don't think POJ is like some catastrophic detriment. But I do think he sucked shit for long stretches, and I don't think it was entirely due to his partner back there. Does he have room to grow? Probably. I just think the water level is gonna settle on the guy being a bottom pairing blueliner.
If we're gonna give a young defenseman a secure spot and a long leash to grow and develop at this level, I hope it's Smith. I just don't know where he fits, who his best partner is gonna be, or whether Sullivan is gonna get sick of the inevitable growing pains of a purely offensive, young blueliner. But I do think Smith stands to offer much more to this team than POJ.
If we're gonna give a young defenseman a secure spot and a long leash to grow and develop at this level, I hope it's Smith. I just don't know where he fits, who his best partner is gonna be, or whether Sullivan is gonna get sick of the inevitable growing pains of a purely offensive, young blueliner. But I do think Smith stands to offer much more to this team than POJ.
Empoleon8771
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I hate buying out Granlund less than I hate paying a 2nd to get out of his deal, but I still think buying out Granlund is a horrendously bad idea.
I don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to trade him.
AuroraBorealis
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He deserves his share of the blame when with Chad for sure, but his decision making, tracking and confidence was drastically better with different partners. Chemistry is a massive slice of the pie when it comes to D-men.
So if you just avoid giving him that crap then you'll likely get a good value year out of him, relative to his 825K.
Chad just needs to be removed as an option at this point.
It's far too early to give up on him. It was his rookie year.
Gurglesons
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Why do you hate buying him out? We won’t care about a 1.8 mil cap hit over two of the four buyout years and it’s better to have the space for the two years.
Empoleon8771
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Because there is no reason you should have to buy out a guy you traded a 2nd for 6 weeks ago.
If we trade him, we’ll have to take a contract back guaranteed and doubtful one we like….assuming we want to get rid of his entire cap hit…no GM except our former lame one thinks he worth $5M per year at this point…if we retained, we might be able to trade him without it costing anything
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