Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Gurglesons]

O’Connor looked great last year and is showing he can produce with talent at the WC.

Nylander is a scrub.

DOC is a victim of Sullivan.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Think Jake has fairly good odds of being our best Forward next year. Make that trade with that in mind.

Karlsson's fun but if he regresses to like ~50 points like he was doing in SJ before, he's a net negative for the team. His defending is among the very worst with 1st pair guys. And that's before we talk about his absurd AAV.

So for entertainment value? Hell yes, do it.
Winning? f*** no.

 

[K Fleur]

Remember when Simon looked awesome at the WC that one time and we all got excited about it?

Lol

 

[BusinessGoose]

So for entertainment value? Hell yes, do it.
Winning? f*** no.

Isn't this the path we are on?

 

[Malkinstheman]

My Plan A for goaltending would be trading the 14th for Helle.

Plan B: Dump CDS and sign Hill + Varlamov

Plan C: Trade for Markstrom or resign Jarry I guess

Options look really sparse for G and there will be competition with teams like Ottawa

 

[DesertedPenguin]

DOC has some promise, but let's not get carried away with his performance against subpar competition.

AHL lifers TJ Tynan and Rocco Grimaldi are among the leading scorers for the entire tournament.

Casey DeSmith, by the way, just soiled the bed in the semifinal game today and the top-seeded U.S. was upset by 8th seeded Germany. So it's not just for the Penguins where he fails to make a save that he should in a key moment.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I dunno, I think even in his current form that we saw last year he's a guy who could be a reliable 4th liner just about anywhere. Or at worst a 13th/14th forward who comes in when you need energy.

But yeah we'll see how it plays out. Hopefully he takes the opportunity he gets and runs with it.

Well yeah, that's what I mean by borderline AHLer, a 13th/14th forward.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Isn't this the path we are on?

Yes, which is why I'd be ok with it.

 

[K Fleur]

I mean paying millions for the likes of Brock McGinn and his like 30 games without a point isn't a terrific solution, either. You gotta fill out your depth lines. I'd prefer to do it with players that are at least near free if they suck rather than paying out the nose to find out if they suck while having the team overplay them for far too long in order to try to clamber out of their sunk cost hole.

I mean yeah that’s worse obviously.

I was more talking about how lame it is to still think dork busts like Nylander have some make believe untapped potential.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Jake is a must-move by the deadline, tbh. He can't be given an extension here, it'd cripple the ability for this team to get anything for him when the rebuild begins if he's making $9 million and has a crazy NTC.

Hockey trade or used as a way to jumpstart the rebuild if they're floundering again mid-season, whatever, but I genuinely think he has to be dealt as opposed to re-signed. /shrug

 

[K Fleur]

Eric Tangradi is gonna break out any day now.

 

[Pancakes]

I think Jake is a must-move by the deadline, tbh. He can't be given an extension here, it'd cripple the ability for this team to get anything for him when the rebuild begins if he's making $9 million and has a crazy NTC.

Hockey trade or used as a way to jumpstart the rebuild if they're floundering again mid-season, whatever, but I genuinely think he has to be dealt as opposed to re-signed. /shrug

If they're looking like a non playoff team and it's not because of something stupid like Sid/Geno being hurt the entire year then I would probably shop Jake and see what's out there.

If they're looking like a playoff team though I dunno how you move him.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I remember being a fan of Tiffels because of how damn well he could/can skate.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If they're looking like a non playoff team and it's not because of something stupid like Sid/Geno being hurt the entire year then I would probably shop Jake and see what's out there.

If they're looking like a playoff team though I dunno how you move him.

I think they should be shopping him as soon as the new FO is announced. That's not a trade you make out of the blue, you need to have a feel for the interest around the league, teams that'd be involved, potential return, etc. But I really do think keeping him beyond the TDL is a pretty big mistake, though I'm certain it'll happen.

 

[Pancakes]

I think they should be shopping him as soon as the new FO is announced. That's not a trade you make out of the blue, you need to have a feel for the interest around the league, teams that'd be involved, potential return, etc. But I really do think keeping him beyond the TDL is a pretty big mistake, though I'm certain it'll happen.

I'm not really for trading him right now unless it's a hockey trade that makes us better. We're not in rebuild mode yet. Trading him for futures would be silly I think while we can still be a playoff team. We committed to being that when we brought Malkin and Letang back and kept Sid here.

But if we play bad this year again and look like a non playoff team (and it's not because of injuries), sure, kick off the rebuild. At that point the writing is on the wall, right?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm not really for trading him right now unless it's a hockey trade that makes us better. We're not in rebuild mode yet. Trading him for futures would be silly I think while we can still be a playoff team. We committed to being that when we brought Malkin and Letang back and kept Sid here.

But if we play bad this year again and look like a non playoff team (and it's not because of injuries), sure, kick off the rebuild. At that point the writing is on the wall, right?

Well it's between now and the TDL or literally never, so they gotta decide relatively soon-ish. When Sid hangs 'em up in a couple years, you're not trading a 30 year old remora like Jake making $9 million a year with like an 5 team allowable list for anything more than peanut shells.

I still don't think they'll initiate any kind of sell off even if they're out of the playoff picture at the deadline. They're gonna keep pretending they matter until Sid rides off into the sunset. But I think if you can pull off a Staal-like trade for Jake where you get a roster player, a good/great prospect and a high 1st, you do it and don't even give it a second thought.

 

[Pancakes]

Well it's between now and the TDL or literally never, so they gotta decide relatively soon-ish. When Sid hangs 'em up in a couple years, you're not trading a 30 year old remora like Jake making $9 million a year with like an 5 team allowable list for anything more than peanut shells.

I still don't think they'll initiate any kind of sell off even if they're out of the playoff picture at the deadline. They're gonna keep pretending they matter until Sid rides off into the sunset. But I think if you can pull off a Staal-like trade for Jake where you get a roster player, a good/great prospect and a high 1st, you do it and don't even give it a second thought.

I don't think they'll do a hard sell any time soon either. If they're looking out of it next year you might see a splash like a Guentzel being moved for futures, but even that type of move would I think be made with an eye towards being competitive again asap.

Although it's hard to even know wtf our direction is until Dubas or whoever actually becomes our gm lol. But I think it's fair to say that FSG envisions this team being competitive and not rebuilding yet, otherwise they wouldn't have kept Sullivan or brought back Malkin and Letang.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think they'll do a hard sell any time soon either. If they're looking out of it next year you might see a splash like a Guentzel being moved for futures, but even that type of move would I think be made with an eye towards being competitive again asap.

Although it's hard to even know wtf our direction is until Dubas or whoever actually becomes our gm lol. But I think it's fair to say that FSG envisions this team being competitive and not rebuilding yet, otherwise they wouldn't have kept Sullivan or brought back Malkin and Letang.

I think it's all about Sid, tbh. As long as he's playing, they'll keep the masquerade up that they're not some afterthought, which has been their reality since 2018. My thing with Jake is that this is just the do or die year when it comes to what to do with him. He's getting an absurd deal, I just hope it's not here, and they manage to move him for a good return. Be it for the here and now or with an eye on the near future.

 

[Andy99]

If the Pens could move up in the top seven of this draft and get a young forward back with some speed and promise, then they should absolutely trade Jake at the draft….but he definitely needs to be moved by the TDL …no way we should be signing him to another 6-year contract at the price he will command while the team is fading fast…

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Especially if there's any kind of plan to chase Matthews in an attempt to genuinely extend the window. They're gonna need younger guys who aren't on massive contracts to fill out the roster. I imagine you can probably a Staal-esque deal for Jake that fits. (I do not believe they're gonna chase Matthews)

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I remember being a fan of Tiffels because of how damn well he could/can skate.

I rooted for him solely because I liked the name

 

[eXile3]

28 year old 40 goal scoring wing who actually shows up in the playoffs. Definitely have to get rid of him.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

If the Pens could move up in the top seven of this draft and get a young forward back with some speed and promise, then they should absolutely trade Jake at the draft….but he definitely needs to be moved by the TDL …no way we should be signing him to another 6-year contract at the price he will command while the team is fading fast…

Depends if you need him to get into the playoffs. He was our #1 producer over the last 20 games. 12 goals.

 

[Andy99]

28 year old 40 goal scoring wing who actually shows up in the playoffs. Definitely have to get rid of him.

He’ll be 29 before the season starts and like 8 of his 36 goals were ENs…so he got less than 30 goals by a goaltender…we need him to be Pasta and he’s not…by his next contract he’ll be 30 and while still a good goal scorer, he takes a beating at the net…I don’t want the team to pony up for his next contract

Depends if you need him to get into the playoffs. He was our #1 producer over the last 20 games. 12 goals.

you‘ve stated repeatedly that the team won’t win a Cup…if they’re not true contenders we have to be more like the Caps…McClellan sold off pieces and then traded for Sandin..that’s the type of risks we should be trying to take to bring in younger players

 

[eXile3]

He’ll be 29 before the season starts and like 8 of his 36 goals were ENs…so he got less than 30 goals by a goaltender…we need him to be Pasta and he’s not…by his next contract he’ll be 30 and while still a good goal scorer, he takes a beating at the net…I don’t want the team to pony up for his next contract



you‘ve stated repeatedly that the team won’t win a Cup…if they’re not true contenders we have to be more like the Caps…McClellan sold off pieces and then traded for Sandin..that’s the type of risks we should be trying to take to bring in younger players

Everyone wants a Pasta. They aren’t that common.