Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Sideline]

Remember when the Penguins protected Teddy Blueger, Kapanen and Carter over Mccann and Tanev. What an absolute cluster that was.

Its infuriating how we had an out with Rutherford leaving and Hextall somehow managed to be even worse.

Crazy how he managed to pick the 3 worst. You'd think he'd luck into keeping at least one of the best two.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Remember when the Penguins protected Teddy Blueger, Kapanen and Carter over Mccann and Tanev. What an absolute cluster that was.

Its infuriating how we had an out with Rutherford leaving and Hextall somehow managed to be even worse.

To be fair, no one could have possibly predicted that those protections would be a horrible decision. Definitely not at the time on an internet message board.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

Remember when the Penguins protected Teddy Blueger, Kapanen and Carter over Mccann and Tanev. What an absolute cluster that was.

Its infuriating how we had an out with Rutherford leaving and Hextall somehow managed to be even worse.

We also could have protected McCann and exposed Rust, and made McCann Geno's triggerman instead. But yah, in retrospect, the only guys we really should have protected (aside from our NMC core) were McCann and Tanev, and found a way to get rid of Zucker.

 

[SEALBound]

Ugh...can we PLEASE stop talking about the expansion draft? It is done, it is over, and it was two years ago. It is of absolute ZERO consequence now. It is what it is.

Here's a change of pace:
Bratt for 14ov + Broz
Granlund+NJD 3rd for Markstrom+4th
Sign Athanasiou and Pius Suter
Resign most RFAs

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bratt-Malkin-Rust
DOC-Suter-Athanasiou
Puustinen-Poehling-Nylander
Carter

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Markstrom
Desmith

$1mil in space. Challenge - make a better team for next year.

 

[Speaker City]

Ugh...can we PLEASE stop talking about the expansion draft? It is done, it is over, and it was two years ago. It is of absolute ZERO consequence now. It is what it is.

Here's a change of pace:
Bratt for 14ov + Broz
Granlund+NJD 3rd for Markstrom+4th
Sign Athanasiou and Pius Suter
Resign most RFAs

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bratt-Malkin-Rust
DOC-Suter-Athanasiou
Puustinen-Poehling-Nylander
Carter

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Markstrom
Desmith

$1mil in space. Challenge - make a better team for next year.

Ok, but who takes the opening faceoff in OT?

 

[Gurglesons]

Ugh...can we PLEASE stop talking about the expansion draft? It is done, it is over, and it was two years ago. It is of absolute ZERO consequence now. It is what it is.

Here's a change of pace:
Bratt for 14ov + Broz
Granlund+NJD 3rd for Markstrom+4th
Sign Athanasiou and Pius Suter
Resign most RFAs

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bratt-Malkin-Rust
DOC-Suter-Athanasiou
Puustinen-Poehling-Nylander
Carter

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Markstrom
Desmith

$1mil in space. Challenge - make a better team for next year.

Don’t see Bratt adding a ton to this roster.

 

[SomeDude]

Don’t see Bratt adding a ton to this roster.

At least from his perspective, you can’t have a disappointing playoffs if you’re on a non-playoff team.

 

[SEALBound]

Don’t see Bratt adding a ton to this roster.

Of course you don't.

Why would adding a 24yo 30-40-70pt player add anything to the roster where we have a top 6 wing opening.

Silly.

 

[Gurglesons]

Of course you don't.

Why would adding a 24yo 30-40-70pt player add anything to the roster where we have a top 6 wing opening.

Silly.

Because Bratt is a soft, skill player who largely was playing with two of the best centers in the game.

 

[SEALBound]

Because Bratt is a soft, skill player who largely was playing with two of the best centers in the game.

Right because he wouldn't get that here.

I never understand why people think that is a knock on anyone.

"Oh you play well with other good players...we don't want you here to play with our good players". Especially given how historically difficult it tends to be to find Sid and Geno good wingers.

 

[Gurglesons]

Right because he wouldn't get that here.

Not sure where you are seeing me say that. I just want more diversified skill and a goal scorer if we are going to focus on acquiring undersized soft skill.

 

[pistolpete11]

Ugh...can we PLEASE stop talking about the expansion draft? It is done, it is over, and it was two years ago. It is of absolute ZERO consequence now. It is what it is.

Here's a change of pace:
Bratt for 14ov + Broz
Granlund+NJD 3rd for Markstrom+4th
Sign Athanasiou and Pius Suter
Resign most RFAs

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bratt-Malkin-Rust
DOC-Suter-Athanasiou
Puustinen-Poehling-Nylander
Carter

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Markstrom
Desmith

$1mil in space. Challenge - make a better team for next year.

There's gotta be a better option than Athanasiou. He is not good enough offensively to be a top 6 winger and is not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 winger...especially a bottom 6 winger on a Mike Sullivan coached team. It would be Kapanen 2.0, but even worse defensively.

 

[SEALBound]

There's gotta be a better option than Athanasiou. He is not good enough offensively to be a top 6 winger and is not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 winger...especially a bottom 6 winger on a Mike Sullivan coached team. It would be Kapanen 2.0, but even worse defensively.

I've been advocating a Woods-Poehling-Athanasiou 3rd line to be used as a scoring-lite line to structure the team more like 2016. I picked him for speed. I have no qualms about his offensive ability. I think he'd be a good scoring bottom 6 wing. Good enough anyway. But we can replace him with Woods if we like.

I'm just moving away (and want us to move away) from "The third line is the defensive line therefore only defensive players can go on it". Our bottom 6 offensive output this past season was a major issue. Building a bottom 6 line that can score would actually help.

 

[pistolpete11]

I've been advocating a Woods-Poehling-Athanasiou 3rd line to be used as a scoring-lite line to structure the team more like 2016. I picked him for speed. I have no qualms about his offensive ability. I think he'd be a good scoring bottom 6 wing. Good enough anyway. But we can replace him with Woods if we like.

I'm just moving away (and want us to move away) from "The third line is the defensive line therefore only defensive players can go on it". Our bottom 6 offensive output this past season was a major issue. Building a bottom 6 line that can score would actually help.

I think they were more like "The third line is the defensive line but we only have offensive players aw f*** it let's use them as a defensive line anyway".

I don't really have a strong opinion about the third line being a defensive line or a 3rd scoring line. I think both can work. I just know that with Mike Sullivan here, it's going to be used as a defensive line. So you might as well build it with that in mind and that is not Athanasiou....unless of course you're firing Sullivan in which case...halleluiah.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Ugh...can we PLEASE stop talking about the expansion draft? It is done, it is over, and it was two years ago. It is of absolute ZERO consequence now. It is what it is.

Here's a change of pace:
Bratt for 14ov + Broz
Granlund+NJD 3rd for Markstrom+4th
Sign Athanasiou and Pius Suter
Resign most RFAs

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bratt-Malkin-Rust
DOC-Suter-Athanasiou
Puustinen-Poehling-Nylander
Carter

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Markstrom
Desmith

$1mil in space. Challenge - make a better team for next year.

Fitzgerald is really gonna be tested this summer. They got 34M cap to work with. 9F - 2D - 1G to sign.
It's hard to believe they'd let Bratt go (RFA), but if they did that'd be spicy for the market. He's a massive even strength producer the last 2 years, so he'd be a perfect fit for us. There'd be a decline in linemate quality here, but the same goes for a lot of our desired players.

I'm leaning towards Garland as the most attainable/realistic good option for L2 right now. He depends on the PP the least for production out of the names I've heard. His career 5v5 production rate is 7% worse than Guentzel's, who's a monster there. That's very appealing to me for a 5 mil price tag with multiple years, combined with his speed, grit, age and serviceable defense.
He was used largely on L3 with Sheldon Dries as his Center this year, with 52.5% D-zone starts and still squeezed out 46 points. Same total as Rust, who got privileged ES usage.

If we're spending more than 5M I'd like someone that'd be likely to become a PP1 regular. That way it's worth it.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

There's gotta be a better option than Athanasiou. He is not good enough offensively to be a top 6 winger and is not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 winger...especially a bottom 6 winger on a Mike Sullivan coached team. It would be Kapanen 2.0, but even worse defensively.

Agreed. He'd be even worse defensively than Zucker. Putting him with 37 y/o Geno is a hard pass for me.

 

[Andy99]

Fitzgerald is really gonna be tested this summer. They got 34M cap to work with. 9F - 2D - 1G to sign.
It's hard to believe they'd let Bratt go (RFA), but if they did that'd be spicy for the market. He's a massive even strength producer the last 2 years, so he'd be a perfect fit for us. There'd be a decline in linemate quality here, but the same goes for a lot of our desired players.

I'm leaning towards Garland as the most attainable/realistic good option for L2 right now. He depends on the PP the least for production out of the names I've heard. His career 5v5 production rate is 7% worse than Guentzel's, who's a monster there. That's very appealing to me for a 5 mil price tag with multiple years, combined with his speed, grit, age and serviceable defense.
He was used largely on L3 with Sheldon Dries as his Center this year, with 52.5% D-zone starts and still squeezed out 46 points. Same total as Rust, who got privileged ES usage.

The cap cost is likely better but I prefer the youth of Bratt over Garland and he’d more than justify the $2M more per year because of it…I think Meier or Sharangovich would fit us better however because we have too many smurf wingers lol

 

[SEALBound]

I think they were more like "The third line is the defensive line but we only have offensive players aw f*** it let's use them as a defensive line anyway".

I don't really have a strong opinion about the third line being a defensive line or a 3rd scoring line. I think both can work. I just know that with Mike Sullivan here, it's going to be used as a defensive line. So you might as well build it with that in mind and that is not Athanasiou....unless of course you're firing Sullivan in which case...halleluiah.

Thus, go out and get guys who can score and provide us with things we are missing. We are missing a Hagelin in the bottom 6 IMHO. Athanasiou is as about as close to a modern-day Hagelin as you can get and I trust his ability to do spot duty in the top 6.

Until I see Sullivan behind the bench game 1 or the new GM comes out and confirms Sullivan is staying, I'm still leaning towards him NOT being the coach next year to be quite honest.

Fitzgerald is really gonna be tested this summer. They got 34M cap to work with. 9F - 2D - 1G to sign.
It's hard to believe they'd let Bratt go (RFA), but if they did that'd be spicy for the market. He's a massive even strength producer the last 2 years, so he'd be a perfect fit for us. There'd be a decline in linemate quality here, but the same goes for a lot of our desired players.

I'm leaning towards Garland as the most attainable/realistic good option for L2 right now. He depends on the PP the least for production out of the names I've heard. His career 5v5 production rate is 7% worse than Guentzel's, who's a monster there. That's very appealing to me for a 5 mil price tag with multiple years, combined with his speed, grit, age and serviceable defense.
He was used largely on L3 with Sheldon Dries as his Center this year, with 52.5% D-zone starts and still squeezed out 46 points. Same total as Rust, who got privileged ES usage.

If we're spending more than 5M I'd like someone that'd be likely to become a PP1 regular. That way it's worth it.

Garland would be a decent get. I wouldn't hate that. Also wouldn't hate Boeser. Bratt is just a bit young than them so that's why I went there.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

The cap cost is likely better but I prefer the youth of Bratt over Garland and he’d more than justify the $2M more per year because of it…I think Meier or Sharangovich would fit us better however because we have too many smurf wingers lol

Of course I'd prefer a Meier or Bratt, but it's hard to picture a timeline that we get them. Maybe I'm too used to Hextall's flaccidity.
Age means nothing to me if the guy can skate and drive play. Garland's like 27, so we'd be getting 2 prime years from him. Speed is gonna be very important on Malkin's line for retrievals.

Sharangovich is another guy that can't defend. If there's no one stabilizing Malkin's line that way, I feel like the same crap is gonna happen again.

 

[SEALBound]

The cap cost is likely better but I prefer the youth of Bratt over Garland and he’d more than justify the $2M more per year because of it…I think Meier or Sharangovich would fit us better however because we have too many smurf wingers lol

If we could get Sharangovich, I would 100% be in favor of it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Ya know the thing about the ED that nobody ever mentions in re: to McCann is that Toronto didn't want him either and used him as a meat shield for friggin' Kerfoot. I know it's maybe a minor detail since one way or the other the Penguins prioritized what turned out to be lesser players over him but it's not like Toronto didn't make the same exact "colossal mistake" or whatever.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Interested in Garland for sure. With or without Zucker.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The cap cost is likely better but I prefer the youth of Bratt over Garland and he’d more than justify the $2M more per year because of it…I think Meier or Sharangovich would fit us better however because we have too many smurf wingers lol

I really liked his game this season, I think he would be a great fit here on our 3rd line and capable of stepping in from time to time on the top 6. I just don't see the Devils moving him

Interested in Garland for sure. With or without Zucker.

Personally I hope we turn the page on Zucker, I don't see much benefit in bringing him back. I think he will decline and we would end up regretting it long term

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I've been advocating a Woods-Poehling-Athanasiou 3rd line to be used as a scoring-lite line to structure the team more like 2016. I picked him for speed. I have no qualms about his offensive ability. I think he'd be a good scoring bottom 6 wing. Good enough anyway. But we can replace him with Woods if we like.

I'm just moving away (and want us to move away) from "The third line is the defensive line therefore only defensive players can go on it". Our bottom 6 offensive output this past season was a major issue. Building a bottom 6 line that can score would actually help.

Wood is definitely an intriguing player, he is someone I have had an eye on for a middle 6 role on this team for some time.

He was coming back from a major injury last year and didn't seem to have his legs for most of the season but as the season and playoffs went on I started seeing some more of the old Miles Wood. He would be a risk/reward player who definitely brings a skillset that would help our bottom 6

As far as AA he would be the new whipping boy here, guy is one of the streakier players in the NHL and isn't even that good. (he's got some wheels though and good offensive instincts, I dont think he has a clue defending though) Its hard to believe he's already been in the league 8 years......Im getting old

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Wood is definitely an intriguing player, he is someone I have had an eye on for a middle 6 role on this team for some time.

He was coming back from a major injury last year and didn't seem to have his legs for most of the season but as the season and playoffs went on I started seeing some more of the old Miles Wood. He would be a risk/reward player who definitely brings a skillset that would help our bottom 6

As far as AA he would be the new whipping boy here, guy is one of the streakier players in the NHL and isn't even that good. (he's got some wheels though and good offensive instincts, I dont think he has a clue defending though) Its hard to believe he's already been in the league 8 years......Im getting old

Agreed on Wood and reading some of the devils fans posts, they don't want to bring Wood back. I found he did a good job against Carolina, was involved in the play, forecheck and even created offensive oppertunities. I'd sign him to a 2-3 year contract under 2.5 per