Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[AuroraBorealis]

all of our wingers or top nine players would be tiny and good but not great, kind of middle of the road…we need something different…we need to go bigger imo…go after Meier if he doesn’t sign w NJD, try to trade for Matthews if he doesn’t want to resign in Toronto…try to pry a really good RFA from another club, etc…we play it safe way too often

I'd prefer William Nylander at 6.9M over Matthews at 11.6M. They had nearly identical offense this year.
Matthews is a lot better defensively but you can use that 4.7M saved cap to shore up another area..like a good 3C.

 

[Andy99]

I'd prefer William Nylander at 6.9M over Matthews at 11.6M. They had nearly identical offense this year.
Matthews is a lot better defensively but you can use that 4.7M saved cap to shore up another area..like a good 3C.

Another good option…we should be thinking much bigger impact player than Garland or Granlund or resigning Zucker lol

 

[Pancakes]

Interesting to see Letang's name on this list. Still an elite play driver even at his age and even with what was (by his standards) an up and down season.

Dude is great.

Also not good to see three of our defenseman on the bad part of this list lol

 

[Ogrezilla]

Interesting to see Letang's name on this list. Still an elite play driver even at his age and even with what was (by his standards) an up and down season.

Dude is great.

Also not good to see three of our defenseman on the bad part of this list lol

HF in shambles

 

[Darren McCord]

Side note but should the pens trade jake to sign Bertuzzi?

You could get a decent haul for Jake and cause a pretty big shake up to the tem.

 

[Pancakes]

HF in shambles

You mean people zero in on the occasional bad turnover and forget the other 99% of the time that Letang is helping us? Shocking

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Uh oh, Marino's number is blue and Petry's number is red. Pixies is gonna have an aneurysm.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Uh oh, Marino's number is blue and Petry's number is red. Pixies is gonna have an aneurysm.

For anyone watching around the league Petry has been falling since Weber retired.. Only Hextall thought he was still capable of playing as a top 2-3 D and maybe a few fans. This is another contract that we will regret most probably as of next season. Hopefully he can be moved this summer and find another fish of a GM

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

You mean people zero in on the occasional bad turnover and forget the other 99% of the time that Letang is helping us? Shocking

I actually like it when fans incessantly bellyache about OMGTURNOVERZ. It's like when dolts fly the rebel flag. It makes the dumb ones easy to spot and avoid interacting with.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

For anyone watching around the league Petry has been falling since Weber retired.. Only Hextall thought he was still capable of playing as a top 2-3 D and maybe a few fans. This is another contract that we will regret most probably as of next season. Hopefully he can be moved this summer and find another fish of a GM

For what it's worth, I don't think Petry is downright awful. I just don't think he's good--at anything.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yanking on pixies tail is fun and all but yeah despite whatever the heatmap evangelists have to say about it, Petry barely rates as far as major problems on this team are concerned.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Yanking on pixies tail is fun and all but yeah despite whatever the heatmap evangelists have to say about it, Petry barely rates as far as major problems on this team are concerned.

I don't really have a problem with the on-ice product of Jeff Petry, even though he wasn't great this year.

It's the six and a half million or whatever it is and an NMC until he's 37.

 

[Pancakes]

Yanking on pixies tail is fun and all but yeah despite whatever the heatmap evangelists have to say about it, Petry barely rates as far as major problems on this team are concerned.

Yeah he was pretty average all things considered. Not what I'd consider a problem. He didn't really elevate the team all that much either though.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Oh trust me I'm not saying Hextall's defense "revamp" did f***-all besides make them older. I just don't think Petry is this sucking black hole of awful that some make him out to be.

It's similar to the goaltending thing. Yeah it ain't good. But there are um... other factors... that make it somewhat difficult to tell for certain if THIS is what these players are truly capable of. Look at Kapanen as an example. I was told he was hopelessly awful and would be in the Swiss league by now. Whoops. Looks like bare minimum St. Louis could move him tomorrow for SOMETHING.

 

[vodeni]

Oh trust me I'm not saying Hextall's defense "revamp" did f***-all besides make them older. I just don't think Petry is this sucking black hole of awful that some make him out to be.

It's similar to the goaltending thing. Yeah it ain't good. But there are um... other factors... that make it somewhat difficult to tell for certain if THIS is what these players are truly capable of. Look at Kapanen as an example. I was told he was hopelessly awful and would be in the Swiss league by now. Whoops. Looks like bare minimum St. Louis could move him tomorrow for SOMETHING.

this team problem wasn't players...it was apathy on all levels, coaching, players,etc...who's fault is that, I'll leave it to others, too many winnable games lost, too many doing the same thing over and over again than going back to locker room for an interview repeating same bulshit brainwashed phrases...look at the players, apart from Zucker (on ocassions) there was no one player that would go balls out when things go south. Sid a few times, Geno too but thats about it. It was an 82 games-long flatline, convincing themselves that they are doing everything fine. Look at the defense...There is a literally zero players on defense that would when things are tough start throwing bodies or impose any kind of strength or virality...forwards nothing...I am not talking about throwing hits, I am talking skating a step faster, getting to defensman, pressuring, chasing puck relentlessly, wining wall plays and not getting separated from the puck on the first sign of adversity...Thats what we lack and if they want to do anything they better bring players that do that, chirp on the bench, jump on the ice with an attitude, Horny was like that, old Bonino, Cullen, Kunitz, etc...

 

[SEALBound]

I notice more how none of our other D men are even up there lol…

Here's my only comment to Jesse on this:

While the numbers are absolutely positive for Letang here, I don't think it's difficult to suggest that not every play (successful or failure) is created equal. This chart is looking at exits, entries, retreivals, etc but that may not necessarily be where all of the criticism is coming from. There are times when the consequences of a failed play are more impactful than others if you take to an "entire game" level. I think when people criticize Letang on certain plays or coughing the puck up or whatever, it's not based on a large dataset over a long period of time. Rather, it's based on a single moment of high importance such as a 6-on-5 scenario with less than a minute left when we are down by one. In some of those instances, Letang has indeed fumbled the puck or made bad plays. We've seen it. We've complained about it on multiple occasions.

Now obviously, those high-importance moments are amplified and focused on so the chart does help bring people back to reality...a bit but again, that chart narrows the event field down a decent bit. There may be a little bit of "apples and oranges" going on here.

Like, here's my sweet new sports car! 10/10 handling, 10/10 suspension, 10/10 aerodynamic design, 10/10 comfort, 10/10 raw sex appeal. Top speed: 58 MPH. Hey....wait a minute here....

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If the people actually making these decisions would just man up and yank Letang off the top powerplay I imagine the complaints would fall off significantly. I love Tanger but he's an EVEN STRENGTH play driver. And yes before someone tosses his career PP numbers in my face I get it... cool. Shiny. Perhaps that might have something to do with being a mainstay on that unit his literal whole career?

 

[molon labe]

I don't really have a problem with the on-ice product of Jeff Petry, even though he wasn't great this year.

It's the six and a half million or whatever it is and an NMC until he's 37.

It's modified. Thank God. Includes almost half the league - but at least we don't have to ask.

He should absolutely be included in any deal for a goalie if possible - or that Karlsson deal I threw on the MB haha.

But yeah Hellebuyck / Gibson....why not? If those teams are shopping those goalies (they will be) - they're also not going to give a crap about 2 more years of Petry. We should. That's a handcuffing deal just like Granlund. 2 birds with 1 stone if you can deal one (or both) of those guys the other way in a deal for goaltending or defense or whatever (JT Miller).

 

[vodeni]

If the people actually making these decisions would just man up and yank Letang off the top powerplay I imagine the complaints would fall off significantly. I love Tanger but he's an EVEN STRENGTH play driver. And yes before someone tosses his career PP numbers in my face I get it... cool. Shiny. Perhaps that might have something to do with being a mainstay on that unit his literal whole career?

I have never been huge Tanger fan, but I like him a lot (if that makes sense), the reason being is probably being irritated by PGH media trying to put Letang on the same level with Sid and Geno, which he never was, however he has been No1, dman in this league for a long time, We did win without him did not we, anyways, I think he is still our best dman by a great margin, he is still great when skating with the puck, when attacking, freelancing exiting the zone, thats when he is at his best. When he does what the coaches tell him to play simple and structured he is not good. watch him, majority of his blunt errors are when he is not skating and trying to pass a puck standing behind or just infront of our goal. Also he lost some of that backskating speed and gets beat more often now than in the past...and of course he should be on the second PP,

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I don't really have a problem with the on-ice product of Jeff Petry, even though he wasn't great this year.

It's the six and a half million or whatever it is and an NMC until he's 37.

Petry is fine. But if you can move him to get younger, fill a larger hole elsewhere, and sign someone who can provide something similar for a lesser cost, you need to explore it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Petry is fine. But if you can move him to get younger, fill a larger hole elsewhere, and sign someone who can provide something similar for a lesser cost, you need to explore it.

Yeah I don't hate Petry as much as some but he's old, expensive and isn't a top tier talent to help mitigate those things. This team smells like mothballs and has a couple too many fat contracts for either "just serviceable" or "kinda bad" players so if they can move him along I won't shed too many tears.

I fully admit I was down for the defense facelift. But it just didn't do near enough. It didn't fail it just didn't succeed at much.

 

[eXile3]

Petry is balls. Convince me otherwise.

 

[Turin]

Petry was a decent transition dman with slightly below average d who isn't good on the PP and who makes a lot of mistakes. Not worth 6 mil at all. Hopefully he bounces back, despite his age, or something.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Petry is balls. Convince me otherwise.

Petry is above-average, but barely. But paid a lot and at an age where he could fall off a cliff.

I think Smith and Poehling were good second pieces in the defense shakeup.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Whoever the next FO is comprised of, I hope they're not as willing (if not adamant) to take on other teams' bad contracts as the past couple of FOs have been.