Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Zbynek]

Kind of a long time without a GM no?

 

[molon labe]

Kind of a long time without a GM no?

I heard there's a chance that they may use HF polls instead of a live GM. You'll have to sift through at least 4 ads on my website or listen to the first 42 minutes of my hour long podcast to find out though.

But yeah- Maybe they have one but he's still in the playoffs.

or..

Maybe they're "taking their time" to give the impression of due diligence.

 

[Andy99]

Is it spot on? Jake could easily have a big year due to being a UFA, Rust having a bounce back would be huge and getting healthy seasons out of Rutta and Petry will go a long way.

Gretz is a huge flip flopped and someone I used to respect but is honestly becoming worse than Yohe ever since he got laid off with the doom and gloom articles.

Jake had a big year for him…73 points is nothing to sneeze at, even though he always has a number of EN goals and hes lame defensively most games…very unlikely Sid and Geno are that productive again, or healthy…Rust and Letang and Petry, as he said, most likely bounce back candidates but they’re all 30+ and there are no guarantees….especially Letang and Petry may be aging out…we need a GM to build up a much improved supporting cast and that’s going to be tough to do and he/she is going to have to be super aggressive

 

[pistolpete11]

Yep, spot on…pretty sad

The Penguins do not really have many bounce-back candidates for next season

Most players on the played about as expected (or better) this season, which is not exactly a great sign for next year.

www.pensburgh.com

Letang bouncing back would be pretty huge, though. He plays damn near half the game.

Also, not giving Sullivan the option to play Dumo for 20+min a night would be a huge improvement as well.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Kind of a long time without a GM no?

Eh, the last comparable search was Shero to Rutherford.

They fired Shero on May 16. They hired Rutherford on June 6. That was 3 weeks.

We'll hit the three week mark since Hextall was canned tomorrow. But this is a new ownership group. And the Pens started the process after the first round of the playoffs last time around, which meant there may have been easier access to candidates.

For example, the Pens may be interested in Eric Tulsky, but maybe they can only talk to him between rounds while Carolina is still active. Not sure about any restrictions, but that could be part of it.

I would expect we start to see some smoke soon. But it should be noted no new coaches or GMs have been hired anywhere in the league. Philly has been open even longer and hasn't hired anyone.

 

[SEALBound]

There's only a handful of guys that AREN'T options for bounce-back seasons - Sid, Geno, and Rakell are about it.

Everyone else was subpar relative to expectations to some extent. Tell ya what, Bryan Rust getting his head out of his ass would be just dandy.

 

[PensFutures]

Assuming hes not bought out or someone is paid to take him, thoughts on putting Granlund on Malkins wing and hoping he Jussi Jokinens himself into a player a basement team takes at the deadline/draft next year?

 

[SEALBound]

Assuming hes not bought out or someone is paid to take him, thoughts on putting Granlund on Malkins wing and hoping he Jussi Jokinens himself into a player a basement team takes at the deadline/draft next year?

Granlund WISHES he had the skill and swag of Jussi Jokinen. There's a guy I wish we would have kept all those years ago.

 

[K Fleur]

Granlund trade could have been worse.

It could have been the Jeannot trade .

 

[MayorofWBS]

GM candidates are going to wait to see what additional jobs become open. There is no need for someone that's looking for opportunity to jump on this dumpster fire too quickly. They can wait us out, this isn't an idea job right now due to the current team's lifecycle. This job projects to a fallen angel retread GM type. Someone that on the down slope of his career.

 

[66-30-33]

GM candidates are going to wait to see what additional jobs become open. There is no need for someone that's looking for opportunity to jump on this dumpster fire too quickly. They can wait us out, this isn't an idea job right now due to the current team's lifecycle. This job projects to a fallen angel retread GM type. Someone that on the down slope of his career.

If a guy can work a guy will take the job. Especially if it's the Pens and their history, they can come in and potentially build a winner again.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

There's only a handful of guys that AREN'T options for bounce-back seasons - Sid, Geno, and Rakell are about it.

Everyone else was subpar relative to expectations to some extent. Tell ya what, Bryan Rust getting his head out of his ass would be just dandy.

Unless Rust gets his spot back on the top PP unit in place of Rakell (which is a distinct possibility with Daddy Sullivan around), I don't think you can expect much more production out of him. This is what Rust is. The reason his totals were higher the past couple of seasons was the extra PP points, but his ES/5on5 production puts him at around a 40-ish point player.

 

[LiffLaff]

Who do you guys see as a good Dumo replacement? Would Ryan Graves be a good option? He'd at least bring some size and physicality.
I'm allso wondering if Trent Frederic could be pryed out of Boston with their cap the way it is. He scored 17 goals this year, and would give us a big boost in the toughness departementet..

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Assuming hes not bought out or someone is paid to take him, thoughts on putting Granlund on Malkins wing and hoping he Jussi Jokinens himself into a player a basement team takes at the deadline/draft next year?

Does anyone want Granlund stapled to Geno's hip for his last year's?

That's probably where he would be best utilized but it's not screaming to anyone a threat. There's a goal here and Granlund on this teams top 6 isn't a recipe for success.

Get him out of here.

 

[Pens x]

I wonder if Pixie is upset that Petry wasn’t one of the three dmen nominated for the Norris.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I wonder if Pixie is upset that Petry wasn’t one of the three dmen nominated for the Norris.

I have to give him credit for really believing that he was good and improved this team compared to losing Matheson and Marino. He stuck with it all season. Petry wacthing him play here for the Habs had been on the decline for 2 seasons prior to acquiring him. Not the same when not playing with Weber

Let's hope Ty Smith turns out like a stud

 

[Pens x]

I have to give him credit for really believing that he was good and improved this team compared to losing Matheson and Marino. He stuck with it all season. Petry wacthing him play here for the Habs had been on the decline for 2 seasons prior to acquiring him. Not the same when not playing with Weber

Let's hope Ty Smith turns out like a stud

He did the same thing with healthy scratch Blueger.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Who do you guys see as a good Dumo replacement? Would Ryan Graves be a good option? He'd at least bring some size and physicality.
I'm allso wondering if Trent Frederic could be pryed out of Boston with their cap the way it is. He scored 17 goals this year, and would give us a big boost in the toughness departementet..

Gavrikov, Orlov, Graves, Severson are all big time upgrades on Dumo which we better not sign....
I'm hoping we sign 2 of them. Build that D a little more mobile and thougher. Still hoping they will move Petry out of here

 

[The GM]

I agree that the buyout won't make sense, and won't save us any money. I'd rather see Poehling instead of Carter centering the 4th line. That only works if we let Carter sit.


I'm fine with trading DeSmith, but we need a backup around the same salary. Heinen is done IMO. I think my biggest problem with your lineup is that the bottom 6 is too much of the same.

For D...
Smith is young, fast, and Petry/Rutta need to do their job and insulate the young D (POJ/Smith). The are all young, fast, puck moving defensmen.

If we can find a young UFA-LD (Graves/Gavrikov maybe), that could work. I really think we need to do more work on our bottom-6!

Smith is fast when comparing him to pouliot

 

[PensandCaps]

Letang bouncing back would be pretty huge, though. He plays damn near half the game.

Also, not giving Sullivan the option to play Dumo for 20+min a night would be a huge improvement as well.

If we get 2nd half Letang all of next year, sign me up. He was very good, though he was terrible in that must win Hawks game.

 

[PensandCaps]

Unless Rust gets his spot back on the top PP unit in place of Rakell (which is a distinct possibility with Daddy Sullivan around), I don't think you can expect much more production out of him. This is what Rust is. The reason his totals were higher the past couple of seasons was the extra PP points, but his ES/5on5 production puts him at around a 40-ish point player.

And a huge amount of empty net points over the past 3 years. He needs to pick it back up at 5v5, intensity wise. 16/17 Rust scored less but he wasn't gliding out there and provided good defensive play and PK.

Since he lost his PP spot, he's gonna have to step up in other areas to be worth his deal.

 

[molon labe]

Who do you guys see as a good Dumo replacement? Would Ryan Graves be a good option? He'd at least bring some size and physicality.
I'm allso wondering if Trent Frederic could be pryed out of Boston with their cap the way it is. He scored 17 goals this year, and would give us a big boost in the toughness departementet..

Won't stop everything. But it stops enough. Can save some cost going this route.

 

[SEALBound]

Resigning Dumo would indicate a level of "detachment from reality" that would be as infuriating as it would be concerning.

I'm not 100% convinced we need a Dumo replacement.

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Good balance of size, skill, speed, and puck moving. We need work on our defensive schemes and responsibility before we dial in personnel. I'd rather spend the $3mil elsewhere at the moment.

 

[PensFutures]

Does anyone want Granlund stapled to Geno's hip for his last year's?

That's probably where he would be best utilized but it's not screaming to anyone a threat. There's a goal here and Granlund on this teams top 6 isn't a recipe for success.

Get him out of here.

I agree with you 100%, I am just trying to think of a way the team isnt completely setting 5 million dollars on fire and can make him movable without giving up much to do so.

Resigning Dumo would indicate a level of "detachment from reality" that would be as infuriating as it would be concerning.

I'm not 100% convinced we need a Dumo replacement.

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Good balance of size, skill, speed, and puck moving. We need work on our defensive schemes and responsibility before we dial in personnel. I'd rather spend the $3mil elsewhere at the moment.

I think you almost have to do something like this. Unless they overhaul the system (which is needed IMO) they are gonna try to outscore teams. With this forward group, they need all the help from the back end to create offense.

 

[McGroarty2]

Resigning Dumo would indicate a level of "detachment from reality" that would be as infuriating as it would be concerning.

I'm not 100% convinced we need a Dumo replacement.

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Good balance of size, skill, speed, and puck moving. We need work on our defensive schemes and responsibility before we dial in personnel. I'd rather spend the $3mil elsewhere at the moment.

I'd like to upgrade Pettersson, Ruhwedel and Jarry/DeSmith if keeping that Defense.