Gurglesons
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I think a lot of that had to do with Malkin having his best year in the last 5. Also I know this is shocking but Sullivan not using that goal scoring asset over some of our other PP options is bizarre.
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I think a lot of that had to do with Malkin having his best year in the last 5. Also I know this is shocking but Sullivan not using that goal scoring asset over some of our other PP options is bizarre.
K 5 mil I’m good.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Thing is, just as we're ready to give some goalie out there a fresh start, there will be a team willing to bet on Jarry's fresh start with their org.
The difference is perspective. We have personally seen Jarry burn us throughout the past few years. The Ottawa org, for example, hasn't experienced that personally. They just know they need a new goalie.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Zuck's 5v5 goals are a direct indication of his PP usage by Sully imo. Still, I want to re-sign the guy. Hopefully in our negotiations we can bring him down to the 5 million range. 4x$5mil for me sounds fair.
As for Jarry contract, he will get 25million in total contract value. That's my bet. Somewhere along the lines of 5x5mil or 6x$4.2mil. No chance his agent lets him fumble this UFA opportunity even though he hurt his value a bit this year. He's still one of the best options out there sadly.
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Even more amazing since he was stuck with a center who can't produce 5 on 5...
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Sidgeni Malkby
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Goaltending is one position that doesn't seem to favor age when wanting consistency over years. How many young goalies look great for a year or two, then fall apart.
I do agree that Jarry will likely end up somewhere else.
If we dump Granlund, we have 25M to work with.
$5M for Zucker.
$1M for Ty Smith.
$750K for DOC
$6M for Hellybuck
Guentzel - Crosby - Rackell
Zucker - Malkin - Rust
?? - ?? - Nylander
DOC - Carter - ??
That gives us $12M to fill in 3 bottom 6 players.
Definitely doable!
Probably have enough room to upgrade a D as well (if we want).
Even if we get stuck with Granlund, we can still keep Zucker, though our bottom 6 will likely be problematic again :\.
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I don't disagree with that, at all. I'm just saying I doubt that it's at $5mil with term. Just like we'd be reluctant to give him $5mil with term or any goalie looking for a fresh start for that matter. There some decent late 20s guys and a plethora of veterans. Why spend $5mil "hoping" when you can spend $2mil for "close ebough".
AuroraBorealis
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Guentzel - Crosby - Rakell
Zucker - Malkin - Rust
Heinen - UFA 3C - Nylander
DOC - Poehling - Puustinen
UFA spare...
Petts - Letang
UFA LD - Petry
Joseph - Rutta
Smith
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DeSmith
I have no issues using Nylander on Malkin's line for stints. Solid career P/P60 at 5v5. Showed conscientious 2-way play as well.
I wouldn't hesitate to move Rakell or Rust to L3 if they're struggling.
Heinen is totally fine if you give him smarter usage than last year, with better linemates. Bet he could give you 30+ points again if deployed like 2 years ago.
Carter bought out. You save no cap but you keep him off the ice, and don't block someone better from taking his place. Seems worth it at this stage. He's a net negative.
Deport Ogie
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The only real buy-out option on the team as it currently stands is Granlund. He's the only player where ice impact as well as potential cap savings make sense.
The only benefit buying out Carter gives you is that Sullivan no longer has Jeff Carter, Which, I'll grant, is a tempting perk. But it realistically just doesn't make sense to do. The better option is just to just play it out and hope he can be hidden or minimized.
The only benefit buying out Carter gives you is that Sullivan no longer has Jeff Carter, Which, I'll grant, is a tempting perk. But it realistically just doesn't make sense to do. The better option is just to just play it out and hope he can be hidden or minimized.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
I mean, are you sure though? Last year at UFA Jack f***ing Campbell got 5x$5mil. Darcy Kuemper (who is marginally better) got 5x$5.25mil.
Go back a year and you have Grubauer who got 6x$5.9mil...
The market is the market.
Sign me up for Girard and Colton…big no to the other age 30+ players lol
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Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Colton would be a beast as a Penguin and he would even would work under Sully.Sign me up for Girard and Colton…big no to the other age 30+ players lol
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DK’s podcast this am says Sullivan would love to coach Carolina’s roster as how they play is his style: forecheck, mobile defense activated all the time and lots of shots to the net, lots of depth …didn’t mention the lack of star power and lack of high offensive skill lol, but that’s part of it….says Sullivan is staying so the Pens should try to model their roster changes to be the Western PA Hurricanes …
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We don't need to do that, we just need a competent GM that is able to buy and sell like most GM's do now a days. Enough with losing UFA players and getting nothing back all the time
AuroraBorealis
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Brind'Amour is a far more motivated coach. The team feeds off it.
Sully wouldn't get those results with their group. He's sated.
They don't have much more offensive skill than us. Their finishing is similar to ours.
They're just a super high volume shooting team that is much faster and works much harder. Their commitment to defending is on a totally different level, and they have more players with the awareness and builds to execute it.
Their balanced scoring allows them to absorb high end injuries like with Svechnikov and Teurovainen, since they're less dependent.
They are proof that you don't need superstars to win. They won the division without one, twice. You just need to maintain the established high standard. They lost in recent years because they failed to do this for a round.
Sidgeni Malkby
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I agree that the buyout won't make sense, and won't save us any money. I'd rather see Poehling instead of Carter centering the 4th line. That only works if we let Carter sit.
I'm fine with trading DeSmith, but we need a backup around the same salary. Heinen is done IMO. I think my biggest problem with your lineup is that the bottom 6 is too much of the same.
For D...
Smith is young, fast, and Petry/Rutta need to do their job and insulate the young D (POJ/Smith). The are all young, fast, puck moving defensmen.
If we can find a young UFA-LD (Graves/Gavrikov maybe), that could work. I really think we need to do more work on our bottom-6!
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I'd have to see what a Girard trade looks like. We don't have a lot of good guys to send out to soften the cap hit. Rutta? If you had a $3.5mil Rust, then yes. Taking on $5mil for Girard, meh. Sending Granlund out? YES! But why would the Avs do that?Sign me up for Girard and Colton…big no to the other age 30+ players lol
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Petts, POJ, Smith is weaker-ish on the left side but it's not so weak that I think we need to allocate $5mil of much-needed cap space to address it. If you didn't have Carter and Grandlund, I'd be all for it. But we do...
If you had Sullivan for 6 years with the same Carolina roster, they'd be in the same position we are now. It's not Sullivan, it's not the roster, it's the long-term relationship between the two that is killing the team. If Sullivan got back to coaching like he did in 16/17, this wouldn't even be a discussion. But he's settled in to his ways the way stubborn coaches do. So honestly, as we've all pointed out here (so I will kick the dead horse once more), the roster construction really doesn't matter if Sullivan is still in charge. Unless the new GM is going to come in and take a wrecking ball to the roster, this is all wishful thinking.
That said, look at Carolina's roster - they are like the Blackhawks 2010-2015 when you are getting the supreme value from good contracts (Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, etck). They have Slavin, Pesce, and Burns on sweetheart deals; Aho is in his prime, Teravainen, Necas, and Fast are all in their prime with good deal, and they have a couple good young guys stepping up like Seth Jarvis and the back-from-the-dead shocker Noesen. Their time when they have to pay all of these guys their true value will come, just like it did for the Blackhawks. You get that by being garbage for a decade+ and collecting high-profile assets and getting extremely lucky in the draft. Maybe Isaac Belliveau can be our Slavin...who knows?
The point is, you can't exactly go and build the Western PA Hurricanes in the off-season. You hope that after 5-6 years of a rebuild you have that. But again, all irrelevant if you keep Sullivan and he keeps forcing Rust on the top line while "coaching" Kapanen to the waivers line.
Carolina got Ghost for a 3rd. Hextall paid a 2nd for Granlund. So glad that clown is gone. .
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Agreed. As I said, they have a bunch a good value contracts that allow them to fill the team out with depth. They also choose guys like Jesper Fast over the rotting corpses of guys like Jeff Carter. And they give out good deals that don't include nearly unlimited NMCs.
With that, they have a lot of guys in their 20s who have never won. So yeah, motivated indeed. You don't see many Bryan Rust drama-fests out there.
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Gurglesons
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BigEezyE22
Continuing to not support HF.
Now...but wouldn't you say Sully is sated bc of the 1st 2 years of success?
Yep, spot on…pretty sad
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The Penguins do not really have many bounce-back candidates for next season
Most players on the played about as expected (or better) this season, which is not exactly a great sign for next year.
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Gurglesons
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Yep, spot on…pretty sad
The Penguins do not really have many bounce-back candidates for next season
Most players on the played about as expected (or better) this season, which is not exactly a great sign for next year.
Is it spot on? Jake could easily have a big year due to being a UFA, Rust having a bounce back would be huge and getting healthy seasons out of Rutta and Petry will go a long way.
Gretz is a huge flip flopped and someone I used to respect but is honestly becoming worse than Yohe ever since he got laid off with the doom and gloom articles.
molon labe
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I like more an more the idea of a Granlund buy out. Don't give him til Christmas - don't waste time.
Either he goes back in a goalie trade, or he gets bought out and you spend the money on something better.
I also really, really don't think we should spend much on Zucker. And for the love of everything if he demands trade protection it should be a flat out NO.
Either he goes back in a goalie trade, or he gets bought out and you spend the money on something better.
I also really, really don't think we should spend much on Zucker. And for the love of everything if he demands trade protection it should be a flat out NO.
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