Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[AuroraBorealis]

With all this talk about zone starts, I just wanted to point out that most starts happen mid-shift.



I made this lineup in CapFriendly and it only left $3.35M left for two goalies.

I'd subtract Arvidsson, put Rakell with Sid and give Nylander to Malkin. There's your money for goalies. That can't be neglected.
Rakell isn't good with Malkin to begin with. Either L1 or L3 for him.
Puustinen should obviously be playing over Carter as well.
Nylander did extremely well defensively. If there's a decent rise in scoring from him, that has the makings of a strong line.

With all this talk about zone starts, I just wanted to point out that most starts happen mid-shift.

True but over the course of a season a 10%+ boost in O-zone starts almost always leads to more scoring.

 

[PensandCaps]

Rakell absolutely plays well with Malkin lol. Rakell should never see the bottom 6, Especially with Rust on the team.

 

[Pens x]

So happy Sleepy is gone. That guy was just a f***ing moron. He fooled a lot of people for quite sometime around here. It’s actually kind of impressive. Dude was a failure in Philly but for some reason, many went with the “patience” excuse for 2 and a half years to defend him.

Can we please not make the same mistake with the next GM? Hextall should not be the measuring stick to determine their success here, just like Rutherford shouldn’t have been the measuring stick for Sleepy.

Here is to hoping the Pens land a competent general manager, something this team hasn’t had in years.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Rakell absolutely plays well with Malkin lol. Rakell should never see the bottom 6, Especially with Rust on the team.

No. The line gets trash results for how favorable their usage is.

Rust plays better with Malkin.

 

[PensandCaps]

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No. The line gets trash results for how favorable their usage is.

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Rust plays better with Malkin.

This is Just +/-...

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

FSG are giving full authority to the new GM to have who he wants on the coaching staff. They said that straight up.
So if Sullivan sticks around it's on him.
I don't think we should rule him out being fired 2 months into the season if we're trash either.

People exaggerate Sid's influence. He stays out of it and worries about playing. Every interview of his I've ever seen supports that.
People said Sid demands Rust on his line, and Rakell ended up playing more with Sid than Rust did.

I'll agree with Aurora on this... I'm patiently waiting to see what the new GM will do. I mean you'll see a plan (or not) by the draft. (i.e. are we trading picks to get players or are we just slow burn re-build)

I don't think Sid has any say on lines or System. That is all Sullivan, he's in charge and he's pushing the assistants on how the game/lines are played.

Sully and Geno seem like they are doing what they are told. The PP is what Sully wants it to be... I hate those cross ice passes and f***tard pinching but that's what they want...

 

[Pens x]

It’s cute people still think the new GM has the ability to fire Sully.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

This is Just +/-...

Using a weighted combo (375/625) of GF%/XGF%, the second line with Rust is better than with Rakell. Much to my surprise.

58 vs 51.

 

[FSGDontScrewUp]

It would be painful, but the best thing to happen to us would be if Crosby tells the next GM that he wants to go to Colorado or Montreal. We need to rebuild, it will be impossible to win a cup with our current situation.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I'd subtract Arvidsson, put Rakell with Sid and give Nylander to Malkin.

Nylander did extremely well defensively. If there's a decent rise in scoring from him, that has the makings of a strong line.

Nylander is not a top 2 line player. Relying on that would be a huge leap of faith with an extremely high chance it leaves the team in a bad place.

Everyone on this board would be lambasting the new GM and Sullivan for thinking Nylander could play with Malkin.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

No idea where to put this, but Guentzel, DeSmith and Bonino will be part of the World Championship team for the US according to the team's coach, David Quinn.

Guentzel, Tuch highlight U.S. roster for world championships

Jake Guentzel and Alex Tuch highlight the first five players to be named to the U.S. roster for the world championship.

theathletic.com

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Nylander is not a top 2 line player. Relying on that would be a huge leap of faith with an extremely high chance it leaves the team in a bad place.

Everyone on this board would be lambasting the new GM and Sullivan for thinking Nylander could play with Malkin.

On the surface and individually speaking, I don't think you can say Nylander is a L2 player
But as we know, lines aren't individuals...there's a ton of chemistry involved. To me, Nylander has shown enough in limited time that could as least be considered for being the 3rd wheel.

If Zucker leaves, perhaps a Nylander/Geno/Rust line takes off. Then you can dedicate more assests to the bottom 6
What I know is that Nylander is better than Heinen from a chemistry w/ Malkin standpoint

 

[SEALBound]

Nylander is not a top 2 line player. Relying on that would be a huge leap of faith with an extremely high chance it leaves the team in a bad place.

Everyone on this board would be lambasting the new GM and Sullivan for thinking Nylander could play with Malkin.

I wouldn't be. I thought he did okay there and could potentially be a viable option. Is it the FIRST option, no. But if you're anchored with contracts like Granlund and Carter, you may need a good-value guy like Nylander to go with Malkin, especially if you can't afford to bring back Zucker.

As a fill in option, like he was this year, yes - of course.

No idea where to put this, but Guentzel, DeSmith and Bonino will be part of the World Championship team for the US according to the team's coach, David Quinn.

Guentzel, Tuch highlight U.S. roster for world championships

Jake Guentzel and Alex Tuch highlight the first five players to be named to the U.S. roster for the world championship.

theathletic.com

 

[Power Surge]

It’s cute people still think the new GM has the ability to fire Sully.

Agree. I'll believe it when I see it. Any new GM in a normal organization is firing the previous coach.

But FSG will prefer hiring a yes man soy boy who admires Sully and will gladly answer to him. Sully still runs the organization.

 

[Andy99]

I guess his agent reminded him he’s up for a contract extension this summer lol

 

[Pens x]

I guess his agent reminded him he’s up for a contract extension this summer lol

Team USA is going to if suck Bones, DOC, and DeSmith are playing.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

With all this talk about zone starts, I just wanted to point out that most starts happen mid-shift.



I made this lineup in CapFriendly and it only left $3.35M left for two goalies.

They do, but it shows you how the coach is trying deploy his lineup. You can just watch the games and see that Sullivan does not use his top lines for defensive, tough assignments, and he also doesn't use his top forwards on the PK. This really is not common league-wide. I am not sure if Sullivan does that because he knows he has a lot of bad defensive players in his top 6, or because he just thinks it's the best approach. But the roster is not at all designed for that kind of deployment.

You have Sullivan deploying two checking lines, and two offense-only lines, and GMRH just accumulating mediocre defensive players like Carter, Granlund, Kapanen, Heinen, etc, and guys with upside who will never get any opportunities, like O'Connor, all used as checkers.

The only actual good defensive players we had in the bottom six were Blueger and Poehling, and I was impressed by Archibald's defensive play this year when he wasn't hurt. If we keep Sullivan, you might as well dump Zucker and get JT Miller, and then just sign a bunch of Bluegers for the bottom six. We'd make the playoffs then if you could get a goalie tandem.

Blueger out and Granlund in was the stupidest deadline I've seen around here in a long time, especially considering that idiot Sullivan just played Granlund where Blueger would be, and he got caved.

 

[Andy99]

They do, but it shows you how the coach is trying deploy his lineup. You can just watch the games and see that Sullivan does not use his top lines for defensive, tough assignments, and he also doesn't use his top forwards on the PK. This really is not common league-wide. I am not sure if Sullivan does that because he knows he has a lot of bad defensive players in his top 6, or because he just thinks it's the best approach. But the roster is not at all designed for that kind of deployment.

You have Sullivan deploying two checking lines, and two offense-only lines, and GMRH just accumulating mediocre defensive players like Carter, Granlund, Kapanen, Heinen, etc, and guys with upside who will never get any opportunities, like O'Connor, all used as checkers.

The only actual good defensive players we had in the bottom six were Blueger and Poehling, and I was impressed by Archibald's defensive play this year when he wasn't hurt. If we keep Sullivan, you might as well dump Zucker and get JT Miller, and then just sign a bunch of Bluegers for the bottom six. We'd make the playoffs then if you could get a goalie tandem.

Blueger out and Granlund in was the stupidest deadline I've seen around here in a long time, especially considering that idiot Sullivan just played Granlund where Blueger would be, and he got caved.

Blueger has been a healthy scratch for the Knights…let’s not lionize the guy lol

 

[canadianguy77]

On the surface and individually speaking, I don't think you can say Nylander is a L2 player
But as we know, lines aren't individuals...there's a ton of chemistry involved. To me, Nylander has shown enough in limited time that could as least be considered for being the 3rd wheel.

If Zucker leaves, perhaps a Nylander/Geno/Rust line takes off. Then you can dedicate more assests to the bottom 6
What I know is that Nylander is better than Heinen from a chemistry w/ Malkin standpoint

I can't imagine what that would look like. A guy who tries hard enough and is/was pretty skilled, but his legs have left him years ago. And then the other player is a guy who rarely tries hard, doesn't have a lot of skill, and maybe(?) still has his legs. Something tells me this would be a disaster and we'd be picking much higher in the lottery.

f*** it. Go for it. (I'm ready for a few years of high draft picks)

 

[Darren McCord]

Team USA is going to if suck Bones, DOC, and DeSmith are playing.

Ehh I actually hope DOC gets a shot with decent linemates and makes sullivan look even more like an idiot.

 

[vodeni]

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No. The line gets trash results for how favorable their usage is.

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Rust plays better with Malkin.

I just happened that last dozen or so games Zucker was bad, did not win one battle, wasn;t even getting to the dman on forecheck, he was balls out during the time Rust was with them, it seemed last dozen or so games, the second they step on ice they got scored on..

 

[eXile3]

Blueger has been a healthy scratch for the Knights…let’s not lionize the guy lol

Yeah I’m happy we got a 3rd for him. It became apparent that he wasn’t ever going to turn into a 3C and was a replaceable 4th liner.

That’s coming from one of his biggest supporters.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Yeah I’m happy we got a 3rd for him. It became apparent that he wasn’t ever going to turn into a 3C and was a replaceable 4th liner.

That’s coming from one of his biggest supporters.

Too bad we threw away that third for 6 games of Kulikov

 

[Andy99]

I just happened that last dozen or so games Zucker was bad, did not win one battle, wasn;t even getting to the dman on forecheck, he was balls out during the time Rust was with them, it seemed last dozen or so games, the second they step on ice they got scored on..

Yep, he tailed off the last month…his contract year effort level for a 31-year-old was unsustainable for 82 games lol

 

[Pens x]

Yea, the whole Blueger is a 3C nonsense narrative finally died. Glad we protected a 5th line center at the expansion draft.