Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Andy99]

"During 5-on-5 play, Rust had the right process. He put himself in the right positions, did the right things, and simply did not always get rewarded for it.

Uhhh...what games what he watching? Rust was the laziest person on the ice every time he was on it. One rush up the ice, one giveaway, and zero effort to try and back check.

Yeah, the last couple months of the season Rust turned it on, as far as process is concerned…but you’re right that for the longest time he looked floaty and lacked confidence

 

[Jacob]

Does Ingram have like, maybe not #1 potential but tandem potential? Maybe a 3rd and a prospect we don’t care about for him, sign him for 2.5x2.

 

[Josey Wales]

We've watched the Pens go from lifeless to cup winners twice now, after a coaching change. Somehow people still believe only the players are at fault and changing the coach wont do anything

the Core is Mid 30's Now Genius

 

[Ryder71]

Yes¡!!!!!

F*** you Paris Hilton I never wanted you anyway! Welcome to Pittsburgh Broderick jones! Kenny is on fire!

 

[Lustaf]

Yes¡!!!!!

F*** you Paris Hilton I never wanted you anyway! Welcome to Pittsburgh Broderick jones! Kenny is on fire!

What

 

[edog37]

You've got the tense correct. Sully certainly wasn't an idiot a half-decade ago.
But that doesn't preclude people from becoming idiots due to ego and other factors.

It's cute though that you're going to die on this hill.

Die on what hill? That if we just fire the coach, suddenly the clock gets turned back 8 years, our goaltending woes are cured, our farm system is stocked full of elite prospects, & we win more Cups? I’ve been one of the more realistic posters on here. The window is shut folks. This team requires an enema & complete rebuild. I’m just not one to tar the coach who holds the most wins & most Cups in franchise history as the sole sacrificial lamb. That’s simplistic & dumb on any level.

We've watched the Pens go from lifeless to cup winners twice now, after a coaching change. Somehow people still believe only the players are at fault and changing the coach wont do anything

This team can’t compete anymore. Changing the coach doesn’t change that fact.

 

[Ryder71]

What

Wrong thread sorry. LOL

 

[edog37]

If you keep doing the same thing because it worked 5 years ago even though it is easy to see it is no longer going to work…you are an idiot.

This core isn’t going to win anything anymore. That’s fact

 

[Lustaf]

Wrong thread sorry. LOL

Okay I was hoping that was the case and not that I had lost my mind.

 

[Pancakes]

This core isn’t going to win anything anymore. That’s fact

So make it a new core. This core + Kessel was a new core.

This core + Saaros? This core + Debrincat? You never know. We're not a three man team any more. That's our new reality. Hell, that was our reality even when we won the b2b cups. It took Murry and Fleury. It took Guentzel. It took Phil. It wasn't just the big three.

 

[SomeDude]

"During 5-on-5 play, Rust had the right process. He put himself in the right positions, did the right things, and simply did not always get rewarded for it.

Uhhh...what games what he watching? Rust was the laziest person on the ice every time he was on it. One rush up the ice, one giveaway, and zero effort to try and back check.

You forgot yelling at the ref for not calling a penalty on something while 3 opposing players go by him to score on a 4 on 1

 

[SomeDude]

This core isn’t going to win anything anymore. That’s fact

It should easily still be a playoff team. I’m pretty sure FSG cares about those extra games of revenue seeing as they just paid a billion dollar evaluation for a depreciating asset.

 

[canadianguy77]

Seems doubtful to me that they'll be able to turn this thing around any time soon. If we could've hit on a Pasta, or a Barzal, or a Mercer seasons ago, they're probably still right in the thick of things. But they were too busy trading those picks away so they could throw shit at a wall and hope it stuck.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Seems doubtful to me that they'll be able to turn this thing around any time soon. If we could've hit on a Pasta, or a Barzal, or a Mercer seasons ago, they're probably still right in the thick of things. But they were too busy trading those picks away so they could throw shit at a wall and hope it stuck.

Can't homeruns on late first picks when you keep taking safe, moderate upside types who likely turn into middle six (if lucky) players at best.

 

[Gurglesons]

Can't homeruns on late first picks when you keep taking safe, moderate upside types who likely turn into middle six (if lucky) players at best.

We haven’t picked anywhere close to where Barzal and Mercer were taken.

Pasta was a miss, but Kapanen was exactly what you wanted.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

We haven’t picked anywhere close to where Barzal and Mercer were taken.

Pasta was a miss, but Kapanen was exactly what you wanted.

I'm just saying the type of players we always seem to pick is rarely the type who, if they pan out, turn into these diamond in the rough types. Only guy who was a boom/bust with high-end potentially if he hit in recent memory was Sprong. Everyone else was either a "should be a good, but not great middle six talent" or someone who excelled at one thing but had so many other flaws that one thing likely never materializes (ie. a Legare who could shoot at a high level, but everything else about his game was mediocre).

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm just saying the type of players we always seem to pick is rarely the type who, if they pan out, turn into these diamond in the rough types. Only guy who was a boom/bust with high-end potentially if he hit in recent memory was Sprong. Everyone else was either a "should be a good, but not great middle six talent" or someone who excelled at one thing but had so many other flaws that one thing likely never materializes (ie. a Legare who could shoot at a high level, but everything else about his game was mediocre).

I don’t think that’s really true.

We just haven’t picked in the realm of where you can usually grab a player like that in a decade and the year we had that pick we took Pouliot.

Honestly the best thing that could’ve happened was this year happening in 19-20 like it was setting up to.

Instead we got in due to the bubble and lost and then had a mirage season in the COVID season that made people believe this team was better than it was.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm not in love with the idea but Cam Talbot will be going to FA. Could be part of a platoon here. Seems to fit the cap as well.

 

[Captain Hook]

Seems doubtful to me that they'll be able to turn this thing around any time soon. If we could've hit on a Pasta, or a Barzal, or a Mercer seasons ago, they're probably still right in the thick of things. But they were too busy trading those picks away so they could throw shit at a wall and hope it stuck.

I hear you. I get the frustration with the cupboard being so bare with young talent. We have veterans playing well and you wish their was more young to mix with that veteran group. Usually that's a good recipe for success in sports but we just haven't developed young talent or had picks to get young talent in the system.

We took Kapanen in the Pasta draft. Looks bad in hindsight but every team other than Edmonton (Draisaitl) is still kicking themselves over passing on Pasta in that draft. The fact that Pasta fell to 25th overall is just one of those weird league wide scouting blunders.

The pick that became Barzal was obviously lost in the Perron trade. It's hard to say how Barzal would have fit in here though. He's such a pass first type of player and that doesn't always work good with Sid and Geno but Barzal is so talented that he could probably have adjusted his game a bit to fit in here.

That said, there is a price you pay for being a contender. You have to go for it and I think you could argue those moves were worth it. We didn't get Pasta but we swapped Kapanen for Kessel. It sucks to not have a youngish guy like Barzal to extend the window but the pick that became Barzal was traded for Perron and then Perron was traded for Hagelin. That led to HBK and a Cup win. Contenders trade away futures to try to win in that moment and we got two Cups out of those moves. The bill has just started coming due in recent years with Sid and Geno not being able to single handedly carry the team to contender status anymore and no young talent to extend the window and help ease the load that those guys are asked to carry for this team. Pens are in a tough spot but we got 3 Cups and 4 trips to the finals out of these guys. Anything more is just gravy at this point.

 

[HandshakeLine]

It should easily still be a playoff team. I’m pretty sure FSG cares about those extra games of revenue seeing as they just paid a billion dollar evaluation for a depreciating asset.

Yeah you could easily build a dark horse kind of roster with the elderly core and some new youth. But they’ll have to be creative and really make some hard moves with the supporting cast.

The biggest thing holding this team back imo are the bad supporting cast members. I'm not even talking about getting rid of Carter or Rust. You just need players that better fit a style this team can play.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Hallander officially back to Sweden. Long-term deal suggests he's done with the NHL.

 

[Zbynek]

Yeah you could easily build a dark horse kind of roster with the elderly core and some new youth. But they’ll have to be creative and really make some hard moves with the supporting cast.

The biggest thing holding this team back imo are the bad supporting cast members. I'm not even talking about getting rid of Carter or Rust. You just need players that better fit a style this team can play.

Yeah, this Devils/Rags series is really showing the importance of depth and a strong supporting cast. What's crazy is how Timo Meier has gone 0G-0A in 5 games and yet Devils are still playing absolutely dominating hockey. All those assets they paid at the TDL and after all, it's everyone else who's showing up for them. And when Meier does break out, this team is a good a bet as anyone to win it all.

Plus the whole fact they can go to a guy down the chart like Akira Schmid in game 3.

 

[BusinessGoose]

@edog37

The old core aren't leaving for a few more years. Go pick up fishing instead. You'll just get mad at this winding down process.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Hallander officially back to Sweden. Long-term deal suggests he's done with the NHL.

Biggest surprise here is that like, 40% of WBS roster isn't following him.

 

[Zbynek]

Dream scenario: New GM comes in and his first move is a sign+trade for Hellebuyck