Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Pens x]

right, because 2016 & 2017 did not happen

2018-2023 also happened

 

[HandshakeLine]

Why did we waste assets to get Hallander back?

 

[Josey Wales]

Hallander Returning to Sweden; Gets 5-Year Contract

Free agency in the NHL won’t begin for more than two months, but the Pittsburgh Penguins already have lost a player whose contract is expiring. Forward Filip Hallander, who appeared in two games with the Penguins during the past season, has signed a five-year contract with Timra IK in the...

pittsburghhockeynow.com

 

[Gurglesons]

Do we have Hallander’s rights still if he does return?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Do we have Hallander’s rights still if he does return?

Pens need to extend him a QO I believe. Similar to the Bjorkqvist scenario -- who the Pens still have rights to til he's 27.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Find someone that loves you as much as this team loves spending assets for players they don’t want to play.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I realize Hallander is no great shakes but that still sucks. This team really needs fresh eyes all over. From scouting and drafting all the way down to every facet of the development process. The Penguins make player development even insofar as trying to consistently crank out depth players look like some kind of monumental, nigh-impossible task as opposed to something every team is expected to do every season.

Yeah yeah... they've traded a bunch of picks. I get that. My expectation here isn't star players or stud defensemen. It's literally consistent 3rd and 4th liners and meanwhile the best they've done is like Dom Simon for 100 games or whatever in the last who knows how long.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Find someone that loves you as much as this team loves spending assets for players they don’t want to play.

Forget about the FO and coach being on the same page at this point we may consider trying to get them into the same library.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I realize Hallander is no great shakes but that still sucks. This team really needs fresh eyes all over. From scouting and drafting all the way down to every facet of the development process. The Penguins make player development even insofar as trying to consistently crank out depth players look like some kind of monumental, nigh-impossible task as opposed to something every team is expected to do every season.

Yeah yeah... they've traded a bunch of picks. I get that. My expectation here isn't star players or stud defensemen. It's literally consistent 3rd and 4th liners and meanwhile the best they've done is like Dom Simon for 100 games or whatever in the last who knows how long.

It's just so frustrating to see people be like "our cupboard's bare!" and then any time when we get a young player who looks like they could make the jump, we sign whatever washed up old vet Sullivan has fallen in love with for the month and leave the young kid in WB/S for the season.

If I was a draftee, I'd probably be hoping that my agent got me out of here as fast as possible.

 

[SEALBound]

Why did we waste assets to get Hallander back?

I think we first need to ask "why did we get mad either of the times we "lost" him?"

Pens need to extend him a QO I believe. Similar to the Bjorkqvist scenario -- who the Pens still have rights to til he's 27.

Correct. I forgot about Bjorkqvist. It would be interesting to sit those two down and get some inside deets on why they elected to go back.

Bjorkqvist couldn't stay healthy - Beau Bennett 2.0 there. Hallander has issues too so I imagine it's long-term health related. But still, always wonder if they feel like they are getting cheated by the org.

That said, hopefully this emboldens the new GM (or AGM) to go out and sign a couple non-QO'ed or refusal to sign RFAs to help restock a bit. Not unlike what DiPauli did. Or go get another ZAR or DOC. I'd be giving hard looks to the non-QO'ed group this off-season. Snagging a Kubalik that just needs a change of scenery and a 2nd chance would be huge for us in helping rebuild.

I should be AGM...I longed for swapping Kapanen and Kubalik's RFA rights. Chiraq doesn't qualify Kubs, gets signed by DRW, has great year. We sign Kappy for 2x3.2mil, has terrible year, waived him. I'm so much smarter than nearly everyone in the front office...

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's just so frustrating to see people be like "our cupboard's bare!" and then any time when we get a young player who looks like they could make the jump, we sign whatever washed up old vet Sullivan has fallen in love with for the month and leave the young kid in WB/S for the season.

If I was a draftee, I'd probably be hoping that my agent got me out of here as fast as possible.

Some will pretend it has no effect and that all these guys are just non-prospects anyway so who cares. And I mean... maybe they are. But to not even be snagging bottom sixers regularly and opting to pay total non-factors like Brock McGinn nearly 3M a year instead strikes me as moronic. If you can't at least develop a guy like that fairly regularly then you need to maybe tender the ol resignation or whatever.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think we first need to ask "why did we get mad either of the times we "lost" him?"

Nah, not really. If we traded him once, that's fine. But if the team didn't like him then, why pay to bring him back? It's the same issue with Kapanen. Either you have to commit to the idea of bringing up a young player or two and having them ride out their rough spots, or don't.

But if you're not going to call up a guy for a cup of coffee to see how they develop, then why waste the effort and the assets? Just populate WB/S with the usual NCAA undrafted trash and castoffs.

Oh yay, another ZAR. Be still my beating heart.

 

[SEALBound]

It's just so frustrating to see people be like "our cupboard's bare!" and then any time when we get a young player who looks like they could make the jump, we sign whatever washed up old vet Sullivan has fallen in love with for the month and leave the young kid in WB/S for the season.

If I was a draftee, I'd probably be hoping that my agent got me out of here as fast as possible.

Kevin Porter getting hurt in 2016 was huge for us as was Dupuis retiring due to clots. While it sucks to lose 2nd round pick prospects like Hallander and Bjorkqvist, it opens the door for someone else. Puustinen now likely has one less person to outplay to get the call.

 

[molon labe]

It's one of the arguments for a truly good 3C-

That you have youth in your bottom 6 (5) who get a crack at more offensive zone starts on line 3, with an NHL caliber 3C. If they can produce there - they get a chance to move up even more when necessary.

But having just a top 6 bottom 6....where you're either getting offensive opportunities ...or NOT...is a stupid way to gauge young talent AND have a competitive team. Neither our top 6 nor bottom 6 are good enough today for a deep run - even with a stud goalie (priority 1)...but clearly the bottom 6 is in worse shape.

Spend what you have to to get Saros, Hellebuyck, Gibson, or Ullmark (yes it would make sense for cash strapped Boston to deal Ullmark at 5M and sign Swayman for like 3.5). From there you need to either seriously consider Sid/Geno getting paired together and target a 2C, or get a legitimate scoring threat to compliment 'the core'. They're good, but they can't do it on their own and offsensive production drops HEAVILY after Sid Geno (stat was they factored in on like 65% of the offense this year??). None of the forwards produce away from them, huge problem.

From there - yeah, bottom 6, defensive depth etc etc. I'd argue you could easily make up for a lack of bottom 6 production with more blueline production but Letang and Petry just don't cut it. Burns was the damn move we woulda shoulda coulda.

 

[SEALBound]

Nah, not really. If we traded him once, that's fine. But if the team didn't like him then, why pay to bring him back? It's the same issue with Kapanen. Either you have to commit to the idea of bringing up a young player or two and having them ride out their rough spots, or don't.

But if you're not going to call up a guy for a cup of coffee to see how they develop, then why waste the effort and the assets? Just populate WB/S with the usual NCAA undrafted trash and castoffs.

Oh yay, another ZAR. Be still my beating heart.

I think he was merely a prospect they were familiar with that Toronto had no attachment to. Helped facilitate the McCann trade before the ED.

I don't think we set out to "pay assets" to get him back. That said, I think this board was FAR FAR FAR more in love with him than the organization was.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I don't think anyone is (was) really in love with Hallander. I just don't think we should be turning our nose up at any player that could make the jump regardless of how small the role. Kuhn was a nobody and went back to being a nobody but was extremely useful within a window of time, for instance. There is nothing wrong with that.

Oh well doesn't matter, now. And Puus is a fine idea but is less a "Sullivan player" than even a guy like Hallander so I wouldn't hold my breath. Does he even PK, bro?

 

[Turin]

Ridiculous asset management. I’d call for firings but

 

[ColePens]

Ridiculous asset management. I’d call for firings but

I say we fire Hextall....

 

[Pancakes]

I'm surprised Hallander would do that considering a new GM might give him a chance to make the team.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm surprised Hallander would do that considering a new GM might give him a chance to make the team.

Seems like he wasn’t happy over here tbh.

 

[canadianguy77]

I realize Hallander is no great shakes but that still sucks. This team really needs fresh eyes all over. From scouting and drafting all the way down to every facet of the development process. The Penguins make player development even insofar as trying to consistently crank out depth players look like some kind of monumental, nigh-impossible task as opposed to something every team is expected to do every season.

Yeah yeah... they've traded a bunch of picks. I get that. My expectation here isn't star players or stud defensemen. It's literally consistent 3rd and 4th liners and meanwhile the best they've done is like Dom Simon for 100 games or whatever in the last who knows how long.

We develop plenty of NHL-caliber players. If you look around the league, it seems to be something the organization is actually pretty good at. We just don't play them when they're ready, and usually end up trading them away for scraps.

 

[Pancakes]

Seems like he wasn’t happy over here tbh.

Reading into it, it seems like he wanted a better family situation. Good for him. I guess he can still come back to the NHL in 5 years if he's a good player at that point.

I didn't see that he has any out clause in his contract so I guess that would be the earliest.

 

[gdsmack267]

Why did we waste assets to get Hallander back?

All they gave up was McCann. You act like he scored 40 goals or something

 

[FlyingPenguin]

Yeah sure we gave away McCann for basically nothing and then also lost Tanev in the expansion draft, but at least we still have Teddy Blueger and Kasperi Kapanen.

Not to mention Jeff Carter, a guy I know we'd all still be furious about losing if we'd given Seattle the opportunity to take him.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Kevin Porter getting hurt in 2016 was huge for us as was Dupuis retiring due to clots. While it sucks to lose 2nd round pick prospects like Hallander and Bjorkqvist, it opens the door for someone else. Puustinen now likely has one less person to outplay to get the call.

Puustinen isn’t playing here and you know it.