Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Andy99]

Our top 6 forwards scored 171 goals this year. That’s probably amongst the better top 6s in the league. Boston’s scored 173. Big difference is their 7-9 forwards scored about 50. We only had 2 other forwards even hit double digits, Carter & McGinn.

Just terrible secondary scoring.

How many did the top six give up though? Lol

 

[Ulf5]

That's who I'd trade Jake for.

Gibson but only if we got a sweetener like retention or a prospect.

Saros should be our target.

Jake for Cat does nothing for this team.

A- If Nashville is rebuilding why would they want a 30 year old wing?
B- Saros career- .919 sv %- 2.58 gaa- .621 QS%
Jarry career- .914 sv%- 2.65 gaa- .606 QS%

 

[molon labe]

A- If Nashville is rebuilding why would they want a 30 year old wing?
B- Saros career- .919 sv %- 2.58 gaa- .621 QS%
Jarry career- .914 sv%- 2.65 gaa- .606 QS%

Jarry's stats betray him. We've literally watched him fold for a while now- on our team. He's either injured or letting in softies. Name a single game in the last 2 full years he stole. A single game. NHL starters should be keeping you competitive nightly and stealing about 5-10 games per year for your club. Otherwise you should be looking to replace. With Jarry no lead was safe, no shot angle too weird to score, and breakaways were automatic goals for the other club.

He's like- the Penguins leading the league in hits.

Saros is:
A) A starting NHL caliber goalie who can play 60 games.
B) Good

Jarry is:
A) A 1B platoon goalie at best who should see more than 35 games a year.
B) Not good

With regard to Nashville. No team downright rebuilds anymore. Chicago had bad contracts, bad PR, and wanted big draft picks to prep for some big caliber FA markets on the horizon. You're talking 2-3 years of sucking (where they're already halfway into that. Jake at 30 fits any teams window.. I don't see a such thing as 5+ year rebuilds anymore. Fans don't go for it.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Our top 6 forwards scored 171 goals this year. That’s probably amongst the better top 6s in the league. Boston’s scored 173. Big difference is their 7-9 forwards scored about 50. We only had 2 other forwards even hit double digits, Carter & McGinn. Granlund had 9 in Nashville + 1 here if you wanna count that.

Just terrible secondary scoring.

It's definitely a fair point and the bottom 6ers mostly played like crap offensively. However, you'll be hard pressed to find another coach who put his bottom 6 in a worse position to score than Mike Sullivan, logistically and mentally.

I'm not sure I've ever seen such an extreme disparity in usage between the top 6 and bottom 6 with O-zone vs D-zone starts. I believe Blueger was at like 88% here.

There's another big reason too. Our top six was extremely healthy all year and almost never rotated out. Bottom 6'ers almost never saw top 6 action. Kap didn't get 1 full game with Geno. Certainly our bottom 6'ers didn't get PP1 deployment either, like we had with McCann and ERod for example filling in during injuries.

It's very uncommon to have such a stable arrangement all year. The situation normally forces your hand, or the coach actually makes adjustments to bad situations.
I'll tell you right now...we'll have far more than 13 man-games lost in the top 6 next season.

 

[Andy99]

It's definitely a fair point and the bottom 6ers mostly played like crap offensively. However, you'll be hard pressed to find another coach who put his bottom 6 in a worse position to score than Mike Sullivan, logistically and mentally.

I'm not sure I've ever seen such an extreme disparity in usage between the top 6 and bottom 6 with O-zone vs D-zone starts. I believe Blueger was at like 88% here.

There's another big reason too. Our top six was extremely healthy all year and almost never rotated out. Bottom 6'ers almost never saw top 6 action. Kap didn't get 1 full game with Geno. Certainly our bottom 6'ers didn't get PP1 deployment either, like we had with McCann and ERod for example filling in during injuries.

It's very uncommon to have such a stable arrangement all year. The situation normally forces your hand.
I'll tell you right now...we'll have far more than 13 man-games lost in the top 6 next season.

Another good reason not to re-sign Zucker…

 

[vodeni]

It's definitely a fair point and the bottom 6ers mostly played like crap offensively. However, you'll be hard pressed to find another coach who put his bottom 6 in a worse position to score than Mike Sullivan, logistically and mentally.

I'm not sure I've ever seen such an extreme disparity in usage between the top 6 and bottom 6 with O-zone vs D-zone starts. I believe Blueger was at like 88% here.

There's another big reason too. Our top six was extremely healthy all year and almost never rotated out. Bottom 6'ers almost never saw top 6 action. Kap didn't get 1 full game with Geno. Certainly our bottom 6'ers didn't get PP1 deployment either, like we had with McCann and ERod for example filling in during injuries.

It's very uncommon to have such a stable arrangement all year. The situation normally forces your hand, or the coach actually makes adjustments to bad situations.
I'll tell you right now...we'll have far more than 13 man-games lost in the top 6 next season.

again, worst thing happened to us that Sid and Geno went through the year without injuries, they were gassed at the end plus, I agree, Sully never dared to experiment and find if he can get something out of any other players besides TOP 6

 

[Jacob]

Nashville’s definitely doing some kind of rebuild-on-the-fly, or else they’d have waited until the summer to make those trades. They wanted to load up on picks for this draft.

It's definitely a fair point and the bottom 6ers mostly played like crap offensively. However, you'll be hard pressed to find another coach who put his bottom 6 in a worse position to score than Mike Sullivan, logistically and mentally.

I'm not sure I've ever seen such an extreme disparity in usage between the top 6 and bottom 6 with O-zone vs D-zone starts. I believe Blueger was at like 88% here.

There's another big reason too. Our top six was extremely healthy all year and almost never rotated out. Bottom 6'ers almost never saw top 6 action. Kap didn't get 1 full game with Geno. Certainly our bottom 6'ers didn't get PP1 deployment either, like we had with McCann and ERod for example filling in during injuries.

It's very uncommon to have such a stable arrangement all year. The situation normally forces your hand, or the coach actually makes adjustments to bad situations.
I'll tell you right now...we'll have far more than 13 man-games lost in the top 6 next season.

Yeah I do blame a lot of the lack of depth scoring on the system or at least the rhetoric the coaches use. Just endless cycling to not get a single shot and turn it over at the blue line with guys trapped to force a pass that just isn’t there. You can’t really expect a 4th line to play the same way the 2nd line does. It should be emphasized more to get traffic and pucks on net and look for low percentage jam plays or tips/rebounds.

Even a guy like Archibald, who played pretty well overall, scored about half as many goals as his career average would’ve predicted.

 

[DrDangles]

I almost guarantee Swayman will sign a sweetheart deal to stay in Boston for the last two seasons of Ullmark's deal.

I wonder if Carter Hart could be had through a 3-way trade. There's no way Philly sends him to us directly, but it's interesting seeing his name thrown out there.

 

[Gurglesons]

I almost guarantee Swayman will sign a sweetheart deal to stay in Boston for the last two seasons of Ullmark's deal.

I wonder if Carter Hart could be had through a 3-way trade. There's no way Philly sends him to us directly, but it's interesting seeing his name thrown out there.

Issue is Swayman could get offer sheeted quite easily

 

[DrDangles]

Issue is Swayman could get offer sheeted quite easily

He still has to sign it, which I doubt he would unless a team offered him something ridiculous like an 8x7.

He and Ullmark are obviously great friends, I really can't see him bailing on Boston knowing the starting gig is coming his way shortly. No different than the Tuukka-Thomas situation.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

He still has to sign it, which I doubt he would unless a team offered him something ridiculous like an 8x7.

He and Ullmark are obviously great friends, I really can't see him bailing on Boston knowing the starting gig is coming his way shortly. No different than the Tuukka-Thomas situation.

Shortly? Ullmark has 2 years left and many years of solid hockey to give still in his career. They may not want to part with him. Why would they? He's brilliant, healthy and is 29.

UFA's: Bergeron, Krejci, Bertuzzi, Nosek, Hathaway, Foligno, Orlov, Clifton
RFA's: Frederic, Lauko, Swayman

8 Forwards, 6 D-men and their starting goalie currently signed.

So they need to sign 5F, 1D, 1G using their 9.7M of projected space

They gonna use a big chunk of that to keep Swayman? He's well within his rights to ask for 4M+ long term. If he takes a bridge deal now he may screw over his value in the future. His agent's not gonna recommend that. You usually take those as a means to boost value for the big contract. He doesn't need to do that at all.
A desperate team like ours would jump on him as things stand. The goalie market this summer is paper thin. He'd be the #1 target or at worst #2 target for teams seeking a starter.
He was a top 5 goalie this year and strong in the past too.

Nah, I can't see them keeping both goalies. It's a luxury they can't afford. Critical positions up front unfilled.
Only way you keep Swayman is murdering the winger depth, like by unloading Hall and Coyle.

 

[DrDangles]

Shortly? Ullmark has 2 years left and many years of solid hockey to give still in his career. They may not want to part with him. Why would they? He's brilliant, healthy and is 29.

UFA's: Bergeron, Krejci, Bertuzzi, Nosek, Hathaway, Foligno, Orlov, Clifton
RFA's: Frederic, Lauko, Swayman

8 Forwards, 6 D-men and their starting goalie currently signed.

So they need to sign 5F, 1D, 1G using their 9.7M of projected space

They gonna use a big chunk of that to keep Swayman? He's well within his rights to ask for 4M+ long term. If he takes a bridge deal now he may screw over his value in the future. His agent's not gonna recommend that. You usually take those as a means to boost value for the big contract. He doesn't need to do that at all.
A desperate team like ours would jump on him as things stand. The goalie market this summer is paper thin. He'd be the #1 target or at worst #2 target for teams seeking a starter.
He was a top 5 goalie this year and strong in the past too.

Nah, I can't see them keeping both goalies. It's a luxury they can't afford. Critical positions up front unfilled.
Only way you keep Swayman is murdering the winger depth, like by unloading Hall and Coyle.

I'll gladly bet you a 12 pack of your favourite beer or bottle of liquor they're both in a Bruins jersey next season.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I'll gladly bet you a 12 pack of your favourite beer or bottle of liquor they're both in a Bruins jersey next season.

How then? Who goes?

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[DrDangles]

Of course it's possible. You can always tear up a roster to keep someone if you're determined enough.
But look at CapFriendly and tell me what they're gonna sacrifice to do that.

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Swayman will sign for less than you expect and I think if need be they'll move a combo of guys like Hall, Grzelcyk, Coyle, or Forbot before moving a 25 year old goalie with stud starter written all over him.

I'm sure management knows they're all in this year and the next couple seasons will be rocky while they try to re-tool on the fly to ice a contender.

 

[Josey Wales]

Swayman will sign for less than you expect and I think if need be they'll move a combo of guys like Hall, Grzelcyk, Coyle, or Forbot before moving a 25 year old goalie with stud starter written all over him.

I'm sure management knows they're all in this year and the next couple seasons will be rocky while they try to re-tool on the fly to ice a contender.

Yeah other teams will just gladly help them out

 

[Jacob]

Boston could bribe someone to take Hall. He’s not quite pulling his weight but his cap hit isn’t too terrible and he has name recognition, some team could see him returning to being a 30-30-60 guy in *their* system. He’d have to waive his NMC though.

 

[DrDangles]

Yeah other teams will just gladly help them out

You say that as if the guys listed are cap dumps. There would be a market for everybody I listed.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Swayman will sign for less than you expect and I think if need be they'll move a combo of guys like Hall, Grzelcyk, Coyle, or Forbot before moving a 25 year old goalie with stud starter written all over him.

I'm sure management knows they're all in this year and the next couple seasons will be rocky while they try to re-tool on the fly to ice a contender.

I just question the wisdom behind worrying about retaining him as a starter for 2025-26 when the team are very unlikely to be contenders then.
Bergeron and Krejci will be retired. Marchand will be 37.
Unless they wanna go the bubble purgatory route?

If they truly believe in Swayman then they should make him the starter next year and trade Ullmark for a great return, while freeing up the space they need to make their F group competitive.

If Swayman takes a 3 mil or less 1 year bridge deal then that could really hurt him for his payday contract. He may sustain injuries next year. His play may fall off hard. Guess we'll see how much he loves it there.

 

[molon labe]

Remember when we had so many gudder goalies in the system at the same time and some of us were like- trade smiley for X, or Murray for Y- or one of the prospects for blah....

And people lost their minds because how could we deal a youngster who just won cups, or smiles who steals hearts everywhere.

So we gave one up for nothing (with assets) for nothing (turned out to be the kick he needed).

Now we don't have any good goalies at all- let alone NHL goalies. This is one of the rare times ever I'd really consider giving up 30 goal Guentzel (away from Sid) for Saros or Hellebuyck. Rust + would be better but either way. Team is going to give up more breakaways by the nature of their failing speed. I don't know how we replace their production but something has to give and there's nothing good in FA.

 

[Josey Wales]

You say that as if the guys listed are cap dumps. There would be a market for everybody I listed.

They are going to be in cap hell & every GM is going to know that

 

[orby]

I don't think Carter Hart is better or more consistent than Jarry tbh.

 

[DrDangles]

I don't think Carter Hart is better or more consistent than Jarry tbh.

He's had some promising showings on mostly garbage teams, and he's a cost controlled RFA who is 3 years younger than Jarry. Can't really gauge a goalie by their numbers when they play behind a shit team, but he's definitely a talented kid.

 

[Extra Texture]

I clicked on that expecting to hate it, like it would just be a bunch of low hanging fruit stating the obvious about our situation, but it was pretty damn well rounded and well thought out, despite the odd corny joke.

The sequence from 6:00 to 7:15 was brutal. Seeing how every single roster move this year was a mistake. We already knew it, but it was just surprising to see it back to back to back.

Also, it was good he put some blame on Sullivan, that sequence starting at 12 mins should've been longer. McCann is not the only one thriving away from this team. The problem is obvious, and everyone feels the need to temper it with the "Sully is a good coach" bit. Drives me nuts, as if everyone is so in awe/afraid of Sullivan, that they have to temper ANY POSSIBLE CRITICISM with language about how he's also great.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

They are going to be in cap hell & every GM is going to know that

The other 31 GMs are not a hive mind that works to screw over the Bruins. They have plenty of players that will interest other teams and the Bruins will be easily able to trade those players for picks and prospects.

The players they want to keep they will be able to keep and the players they want to trade, they will be able to trade them.

 

[Josey Wales]

The other 31 GMs are not a hive mind that works to screw over the Bruins. They have plenty of players that will interest other teams and the Bruins will be easily able to trade those players for picks and prospects.

The players they want to keep they will be able to keep and the players they want to trade, they will be able to trade them.

RIIIIIGHT ! They will be like GMJR & just give them all they want & more for those players, How stupid of me