Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Turin]

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Found our diamond in the rough GM candidate.



You 2 willing to risk the next couple of seasons based on this trivial assumption? His last good season was 4 years ago. His last good playoffs was 6 years ago.
Just to be clear, we are talking about the most important position here. The one that decides a playoff berth above all others.
If you're wrong then it doesn't matter what the rest of the players do.

Yes, because it's goaltending and there are no sure things- so pedigree is important. Gibson was the best goalie 4 years ago and his team went to shit - unless he has major injury problems he problem didn't just become a bad goalie.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Wouldn't mind Gibson if he's on the super cheap, which isn't likely happening. Fellow HS alumni there but he was letting in like 5-6 goals a game on the reg.

I know Anaheims D is bad and players leaving there tend to do much better so he likely checked out but regardless goalies hate giving up goals and he was not seeing the puck well.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Gibson won a cup?

 

[Josey Wales]

Gibson won a cup?

In that guy's mind?? YES

 

[66-30-33]

Out of goalies with 30+ starts in Goals saved above expected:
2022-23: 37th out of 42
2021-22: 39th out of 44
2020-21: 15th out of 24
2019-20: 43rd out of 45

Pens fans need to let go of the past when it comes to Gibson. He hasn't had an actual good season since 2018-19. It doesn't help us that he's more durable than Jarry if he'd be outplayed by DeSmith in those surplus games. Bringing him here is asking for a spectacular turnaround with no statistical backing.

I too wanna unload Granlund but not at the cost of screwing over our goaltending! That's just death.

Like I said, rather go hard after Helle.

 

[Pancakes]

My problem with Gibson aside from his performance is he's going to cost assets to acquire. If we're going to spend assets to acquire a goalie I want it to be a goalie that I'm confident will actually be better than Jarry, and I don't have that confidence with Gibson.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think we should get as many terrible goalies as possible to exploit the buffer overflow glitch and max out Jarry at 256

 

[Jacob]

I think we should get as many terrible goalies as possible to exploit the buffer overflow glitch and max out Jarry at 256

Let’s get 15’11” Mike Zigomanis and put him in net.

 

[tkeagle]

Why not Granlund for Gibson, and whatever to balance out. Anaheim might want a speedy set up winger...

 

[K Fleur]

Why not Granlund for Gibson, and whatever to balance out. Anaheim might want a speedy set up winger...

Well Granlund ain’t that soo..

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would rather trade for literally any other goalie you could possibly trade for over Gibson.

Acquiring Gibson today would just be more evidence that this team refuses to realize it's 2023 and not 2016 anymore.

People said the same thing about Carey Price -- until he almost singlehandedly carried a shitty Habs team to the Cup finals.

Talented goalies can look mediocre when they're facing 40+ shots every night and their team doesn't win much. It's a different story when these guys look like shit on good teams.

Price had a .918 save% the year before and got Vezina votes. Gibson hasn't had a .905 save% in a season since before COVID.

 

[K Fleur]

Gibson is only 29 and therefore not old enough to play here anyways.

 

[SomeDude]

Imagine if the Pens had a guy like this stealing games to get them into the playoffs..



Then imagine that same guy gets hurt but stays in the game like a badass



And keeps putting up huge saves (wait for it......) even in the postseason,

Well, he sure looked like a future Pens goalie today. First goal looked like it literally went through his glove.

 

[Jacob]

Why is Winnipeg trading Hellebuyck? Not seeing anything in their pipeline.

Was gonna make a big breakdown of teams in the market for a #1 and the #1s available either via trade or free agency but there’s just too many moving parts and unknowns. Like some teams like Chicago don’t have a #1 but probably aren’t in the market for one. Edmonton needs a #1 but they’re stuck with Campbell. Is Jarry a #1? Or Varlamov? Is Lehner going on LTIR or coming back with a bum hip?

I think we’d all take Gibson if we had some kind of inside knowledge on his mental/physical state and if Anaheim ate like 2 million per and we only had to give up like a 2nd. But we just don’t have that info.

I like the reward of him and the presumed low cost but understand the high risk. Very good chance dude is just cooked. My first choice is probably Swayman because of age and cost-control but Boston might opt to trade Ullmark instead, and maybe whichever they opt to move they might be willing to take less just to send them out west rather than help a team they might face in the 1st round.

I’m hesitant to move the 14th for anything since our prospect pool is junk and because this is hockeysfuture but for a Swayman? Maybe. Probably. Unlikely that 14th impacts us like 25ish year old top 10 goalie would.

And of course it’s all for not if we continue to play like ass defensively and don’t smooth out the edges of the lineup and recreate any kind of identity.

 

[The GM]

Why is Winnipeg trading Hellebuyck? Not seeing anything in their pipeline.

Was gonna make a big breakdown of teams in the market for a #1 and the #1s available either via trade or free agency but there’s just too many moving parts and unknowns. Like some teams like Chicago don’t have a #1 but probably aren’t in the market for one. Edmonton needs a #1 but they’re stuck with Campbell. Is Jarry a #1? Or Varlamov? Is Lehner going on LTIR or coming back with a bum hip?

I think we’d all take Gibson if we had some kind of inside knowledge on his mental/physical state and if Anaheim ate like 2 million per and we only had to give up like a 2nd. But we just don’t have that info.

I like the reward of him and the presumed low cost but understand the high risk. Very good chance dude is just cooked. My first choice is probably Swayman because of age and cost-control but Boston might opt to trade Ullmark instead, and maybe whichever they opt to move they might be willing to take less just to send them out west rather than help a team they might face in the 1st round.

I’m hesitant to move the 14th for anything since our prospect pool is junk and because this is hockeysfuture but for a Swayman? Maybe. Probably. Unlikely that 14th impacts us like 25ish year old top 10 goalie would.

And of course it’s all for not if we continue to play like ass defensively and don’t smooth out the edges of the lineup and recreate any kind of identity.

If we trade for swayman, can we include carter, rust, ruh and Desmith?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Why is Winnipeg trading Hellebuyck? Not seeing anything in their pipeline.

Was gonna make a big breakdown of teams in the market for a #1 and the #1s available either via trade or free agency but there’s just too many moving parts and unknowns. Like some teams like Chicago don’t have a #1 but probably aren’t in the market for one. Edmonton needs a #1 but they’re stuck with Campbell. Is Jarry a #1? Or Varlamov? Is Lehner going on LTIR or coming back with a bum hip?

I think we’d all take Gibson if we had some kind of inside knowledge on his mental/physical state and if Anaheim ate like 2 million per and we only had to give up like a 2nd. But we just don’t have that info.

I like the reward of him and the presumed low cost but understand the high risk. Very good chance dude is just cooked. My first choice is probably Swayman because of age and cost-control but Boston might opt to trade Ullmark instead, and maybe whichever they opt to move they might be willing to take less just to send them out west rather than help a team they might face in the 1st round.

t but for a Swayman? Maybe. Probably. Unlikely that 14th impacts us like 25ish year old top 10 goalie would.

And of course it’s all for not if we continue to play like ass defensively and don’t smooth out the edges of the lineup and recreate any kind of identity.

Korpisalo is UFA and was 11th in GSAx. But I totally expect the Kings to lock him down. Just throwing the name out there in case.
Could end up being a case of just being buried in Columbus until given a proper defense. Or could be fool's gold.

I think the highest % choice out of UFA's is Varlamov. He's just stable. You can probably count on him for an average season at least.
Jarry has the highest ceiling but good luck reaching it consistently enough for it to matter. And good luck with him in the playoffs if you make it.

In trade you go after Saros, Swayman, Vejmelka...in that order based on availability. The B's would shock me if they ditched Ullmark now. The man had good stats in Buffalo. He's proven. 207 GP compared to Swayman's 88. Great AAV on a reasonable term too.
Likely won't hurt the team too much either way though.

 

[SEALBound]

If we trade for swayman, can we include carter, rust, ruh and Desmith?

With Boston's cap troubles next year, Ullmark may be a better target lol.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

With Boston's cap troubles next year, Ullmark may be a better target lol.

Won't Sway just make similar AAV to Ullmark next year?
It's probably the same kinda cap relief, regardless of who they choose.
The bonus to keeping Swayman is he'll get a long ass deal most likely and you can secure yourself in net, assuming he stays good lol.
Meanwhile Ullmark has the 2 years left. Questionable window by the time that expires though for the B's...

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I feel like this board was kind towards idiot sleepy until the Granlund trade. Fans on this site absolutely despised Sully, but weren’t passionate about firing sleeping until the deadline like 2 months ago. The fans seemed to bury their heads in the sand when it came to Hextall and finally came up for a breath two months ago to finally see he sucks, despite all the red flags leading up to the Granlund trade.

I think what happened was sleepy cleared out all of those bottom six players to acquire Miller, but Allvin overruled the deal in the end. Sleepy thought Granlund would be better than no one for a playoff run. He was wrong. However, had he not acquired anyone and they missed the playoffs, he would have been fired for being too patient.

In the end, his lazy ass approach cost him his job. The big pieces were being moved well before dumbass even began to clear our salary, and he got caught with his pants down. It was too late to make a deal.

This is why I hated Mario hiring him from day one. He did the same dumb stuff here as he did in Philly. Fans called his approach patient but it was nothing more than a lack of a plan and being an idiot.

What you call "burying heads in the sand" can be interpreted as as simply as giving a new GM time to prove himself. Those who were around when JR got panned as a hire saw how a GM could turn things around on a new team.

Frustration grew with Hextall last summer, and came to a head at the deadline. Seems like a natural progression.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Let’s get 15’11” Mike Zigomanis and put him in net.

now this is the kind of outside of the box thinking this team needs/deserves!

 

[Andy99]

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pittsburghhockeynow.com

too generous to Jarry…this guy doesn’t stop pucks when the team needs him the most…move on!

 

[LOGiK]

Let’s get 15’11” Mike Zigomanis and put him in net.

In NHL Hitz I used to make my own team and my goalie was 300 pounds and his name was Meat.

They do it in the NFL. They do it with tall people in the NBA Why are there no 275lb goalies in a sport with a little net?

If I was coach I'd do it. Win every single game by shutout!

 

[LOGiK]

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too generous to Jarry…this guy doesn’t stop pucks when the team needs him the most…move on!

Watch them stay with him because 'he was the guy drafted to be the next franchise goalie' or whatever nonsense rhetoric they use.

 

[MayorofWBS]

Pretty much fool's gold to spend a 1st getting a goalie. They are all head cases.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Let's make sure we don't learn anything from the MAF and Chet Pickard situations.